Fran's statement tells you everything you need to know about his mood about CJ's transfer

[HawkAttackDial911]

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Is there more leaving? By my count there are 8 D1 players without Wieskamp, CJ, Nunge, transfers, and the freshmen. 2x McCafferys, 2x Murrays, Joe T, Ulis, Perkins, Josh O. I think with the way the roster is composed we'll miss Nunge more than CJ. Having a 5 that can extend to the three point line opens the lane for drives to the rim. Now other teams will just pack it in and dare pretty much everyone on the roster to shoot threes.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

@chris why don't you give us one of your famous "this is what everyone thinks of us" regarding iowa athletics.

 

[AuroraHawk]

Often there is a quote of thanks and appreciation and well wishes. None of that here. The Fredrick family did not handle this on the up and up, clearly.

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[Chishawk1425]

Is there more leaving? By my count there are 8 D1 players without Wieskamp, CJ, Nunge, transfers, and the freshmen. 2x McCafferys, 2x Murrays, Joe T, Ulis, Perkins, Josh O. I think with the way the roster is composed we'll miss Nunge more than CJ. Having a 5 that can extend to the three point line opens the lane for drives to the rim. Now other teams will just pack it in and dare pretty much everyone on the roster to shoot threes.

He admitted he was off by 1. Yep 8.

 

[Chishawk1425]

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Yep and I agree with Fran on both accords.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Wddt, calm down bud. Kenyon is obviously pretty involved with the program and pretty knowledgeable about the game. Think ill take his word for it

Why because I said we are going to suck nuts? You're counting on the opinion of a parent of a player. They are always going to think they are great. We have "7 d1 guys" because we have a D1 team. We do not have 7 guys that would make all D1 rosters.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

That's gonna happen when the HC has two kids on the team.

RE: Kenyon's post. Great to see him stand up and support the program (he's one of my favorite Hawk alums) but I think he may have inadvertently validated all the critics.

Only 7 D1 scholly players on the roster? Ouch.

7 D-1 players returning is probably pretty typical. You always will have several graduate and he's not counting the freshman coming in. And unless Connor or Josh are not coming back, I believe there will be eight.

 

[iahawks10]

Is there more leaving? By my count there are 8 D1 players without Wieskamp, CJ, Nunge, transfers, and the freshmen. 2x McCafferys, 2x Murrays, Joe T, Ulis, Perkins, Josh O. I think with the way the roster is composed we'll miss Nunge more than CJ. Having a 5 that can extend to the three point line opens the lane for drives to the rim. Now other teams will just pack it in and dare pretty much everyone on the roster to shoot threes.

Kenyon acknowledged that he miscounted in the next tweet and that was his English degree at work.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Tell Kenyon that then so I can watch him destroy you.

Ok. Then ill watch us get our shit pushed in all next year and "destroy" his bullshit opinion.

 

[HawkIDrummer]

7 D-1 players returning is probably pretty typical. You always will have several graduate and he's not counting the freshman coming in. And unless Connor or Josh are not coming back, I believe there will be eight.

I thought 40%+ roster turnover seemed like a lot. Maybe not

 

[MepoDawg#]

And people thought I was making this up?

A parent of a player told me at the BTT there was dissension over certain players and their playing time.

Spill it then.

 

[mstp1992]

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Don't the Hawks have 8 players on the current roster?
Kris Murray
Keegan Murray
Patrick McCaffery
Connor McCaffery
Joe Toussaint
Tony Perkins
Ahron Ulis
Josh Ogundele

Add Peyton Sandfort and Riley Mulvey to the mix, and likely 1-2 transfers.

I'm frankly excited about the potential. Both Murrays on the floor at the same time. P-Mac has shown he belongs in the Big Ten. Perkins, Ulis, Toussaint all have skills. Connor is what he is. Sandfort and Mulvey I expect will be fine players. Ogundele has a lot of potential.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Ok. Then ill watch us get our shit pushed in all next year and "destroy" his bullshit opinion.

Cool you are probably right. Oh well. CJ wasn't saving this team and would probably be injured half the year anyways. I'm intrigued with the core young talent but Fran has to hit a homerun or 2 on the portal now.

 

[AlvySinger]

We are going to sucks nuts and just extended the contract of a guy who has put less in the trophy case than Steve ****ing Alford. Thanks for the tweet though bud.

Wow - classy response to Kenyon Murray, WDDT! Telling him his two sons and their teammates will suck nuts? Really thoughtful and gracious. Well done, dude! You earned the “Ignore” button - buh-bye!

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Don't the Hawks have 8 players on the current roster?
Kris Murray
Keegan Murray
Patrick McCaffery
Connor McCaffery
Joe Toussaint
Tony Perkins
Ahron Ulis
Josh Ogundele

Add Peyton Sandfort and Riley Mulvey to the mix, and likely 1-2 transfers.

I'm frankly excited about the potential. Both Murrays on the floor at the same time. P-Mac has shown he belongs in the Big Ten. Perkins, Ulis, Toussaint all have skills. Connor is what he is. Sandfort and Mulvey I expect will be fine players. Ogundele has a lot of potential.

If you are optimistic about that lineup you will be optimist by any group of people that show up wearing the jersey.


Who the hell is going to score?


We have never been a great defensive team, you think those guys are suddenly going to be Virginia?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Wow - classy response to Kenyon Murray, WDDT! Telling him his two sons and their teammates will suck nuts? Really thoughtful and gracious. Well done, dude! You earned the “Ignore” button - buh-bye!

Bye.

 

[HawkGem10]

Cool you are probably right. Oh well. CJ wasn't saving this team and would probably be injured half the year anyways. I'm intrigued with the core young talent but Fran has to hit a homerun or 2 on the portal now.

Ha ha ha and Fran and hitting HR in anything let alone portal he not getting any impact player there at all...

 

[vgshwk]

I hope cj enjoys that McDonald’s bag at the cost of friendship of his ex teammates.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Don't the Hawks have 8 players on the current roster?
Kris Murray
Keegan Murray
Patrick McCaffery
Connor McCaffery
Joe Toussaint
Tony Perkins
Ahron Ulis
Josh Ogundele

Add Peyton Sandfort and Riley Mulvey to the mix, and likely 1-2 transfers.

I'm frankly excited about the potential. Both Murrays on the floor at the same time. P-Mac has shown he belongs in the Big Ten. Perkins, Ulis, Toussaint all have skills. Connor is what he is. Sandfort and Mulvey I expect will be fine players. Ogundele has a lot of potential.

Yes. Kenyon admitted he can't count later on the tweet thread.

 

[Slim45]

Why because I said we are going to suck nuts? You're counting on the opinion of a parent of a player. They are always going to think they are great. We have "7 d1 guys" because we have a D1 team. We do not have 7 guys that would make all D1 rosters.

Guess ill take the word of a guy that played at iowa and knows what it takes to win. Has 2 sons on the team and knows what is going on behind the scenes. Trust his word over yours, sorry

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

I hope cj enjoys that McDonald’s bag at the cost of friendship of his ex teammates.

He is moving home to play for a blueblood, I think he will get over it.

 

[Chishawk1425]

Ha ha ha and Fran and hitting HR in anything let alone portal he not getting any impact player there at all...

The odds are in your favor.

 

[hawkifann]

I thought 40%+ roster turnover seemed like a lot. Maybe not

There are, what, 1500 players in the portal? There’s not a ton of roster stability out there.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Guess ill take the word of a guy that played at iowa and knows what it takes to win. Has 2 sons on the team and knows what is going on behind the scenes. Trust his word over yours, sorry

He might have a great idea of what is happening "behind the scene" but "the scene" is Steve Alford put more in the trophy case than Fran can dream about and the most talented team of my life just imploded after bombing out of the tournament.

 

[mstp1992]

If you are optimistic about that lineup you will be optimist by any group of people that show up wearing thr jersey.


Who the hell is going to score?


We have never been a great defensive team, you think those guys are suddenly going to be Virginia?

They're the Iowa Hawkeyes. I'm always excited about their potential. Only time I really wasn't was after Lickliter's first year. Optimism leads to decreased stress.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

They're the Iowa Hawkeyes. I'm always excited about their potential. Only time I really wasn't was after Lickliter's first year. Optimism leads to decreased stress.

I hope you are right man. I, frankly, am ****ing tired of the U of I athletic department always having a reason for why we can't actually win something.


I think you could make a pretty good argument our donors enable mediocrity. (Myself included)

 

[MepoDawg#]

I hope you are right man, I frankly, am ****ing tired of the U of I athletic department always having a reason for why we can't actually win something.


I think you could make a pretty good argument our donors enable mediocrity. (Myself included)

You sound like you let something you have no control over impact your life too much.

 

[Raptorpeeps]

Who the hell is going to score?

Portal Jim and Portal Joe are going to going to help out tremendously.

 

[Auger]

I think it is eye opening Nunge and CJ decided to transfer. Add in the fact Wieskamp is likely gone and all of a sudden a once promising '21-'22 lineup looks pretty young and green. There is talent on the roster it just will take more time.

If Fran doesn't bring in a couple impact transfers this team is likely a bottm 6 team in the B1G next season. Maryland, Illinois, MSU, and Indiana have done well so far in the transfer market and that has pushed those teams back up. Maryland could have the best B1G team next year thanks to the transfer market. Michigan, Ohio St and Purdue will have really good teams as well next year. Nebraska could be a sleeper team as well.

With the NCAA ruling on transfers I worry it could be a huge negative for programs like Iowa. Guys like Toussaint, Ulis and Perkins could use next year to gain experience and grow and then transfer to better programs without having to sit out. Fran has never been a fan of the transfer market. If he doesn't adapt Iowa will be left behind.

 

[Slim45]

He might have a great idea of what is happening "behind the scene" but "the scene" is Steve Alford put more in the trophy case than Fran can dream about and the most talented team of my life just imploded after bombing out of the tournament.

Ill take fran 100% of the time over alford. Fran is a better coach and a MUCH better human. Really the only thing alford was better at was winning in the bigten tourney.

 

[DodgerHawki]

I hope you are right man. I, frankly, am ****ing tired of the U of I athletic department always having a reason for why we can't actually win something.


I think you could make a pretty good argument our donors enable mediocrity. (Myself included)

It's an interesting question. The current situation seems to be partially fed by Barta and his weird rush to extend every coach who shows the least bit of success.

With that said, many of the programs are in as good/better shape than they have been in years.

Wrestling - won national title after long drought (for Iowa). Would have been 2 years in a row if not for COVID.
Baseball - Barta hit a homerun hiring Heller. I don't know if that was his doing or Gene Taylor's. Either way, it's working. Iowa has made the Big 10 tournament every year Heller has been coach (top 8 make it). This was after making it like 1 out of the previous 6 years.
Track - Joey Woody may be the best coach at Iowa. Winning a conference title in track at Iowa is astounding. Just amazing.
Field Hockey - after the debacle of the Griesbaum firing, the team is ranked 2nd in the nation.
Women's soccer - team turned season around and won its first ever conference tournament.
Softball - has made steps getting to the middle of the league after being awful under Looper.
Football - Iowa has something like the 12th most wins since 2015. 1-2 more division titles in that timeframe would have been a lot better.
Women's basketball - consecutive Sweet 16's. One of the best players in the country just finished her freshman season at Iowa. Future is bright.

I'm probably leaving some team out. Iowa's recruiting base and demographics make it hard to be a perennial winner in most every sport. People don't like hearing that, but it's the facts. The overall situation for Iowa athletics is good. If I could make a change, it would be to not allow the AD to extend the football and men's basketball coaches all the time.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

You sound like you let something you have no control over impact your life too much.

Guy on fan message board says other fan on message board is too invested for pointing out that our program is a perennial also ran. Gotta love message boards.

 

[Burbank84]

Actually listened to the HR podcast.

Agreed with Randazzo that the fan base would be more understanding of a rebuild starting next season if this past season’s team made it to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8, rather than blown out in the round of 32.

Given the lack of success for Iowa basketball over the past 30 years, especially in the 21st century, there was pressure on the 2020-21 Hawkeye team to deliver. They did NOT even come close to the expectations the head coach was talking about when Luka announced his return last August.

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Actually listened to the HR podcast.

Agreed with Randazzo that the fan base would be more understanding of a rebuild starting next season if this past season’s team made it to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8, rather than blown out in the round of 32.

Given the lack of success for Iowa basketball over the past 30 years, especially in the 21st century, there was pressure on the 2020-21 Hawkeye team to deliver. They did NOT even come close to the expectations the head coach was talking about when Luka announced his return last August.

Sounds like he allows something he has no control over to impact his life too much.



/s

 

[blhawk]

Haha, it's certainly shocking that Kenyon is loyal to the only major program coach who would give his kids a scholly. But even he can't be blind to what was going on. Nepotism, favoritism, and shit defense has consequences....I was expecting more transfers actually. Reap it, Francis.

Luka Garza did more in 2 seasons for Iowa bball visibility than fran has in 11 seasons and he's gonna squander it. And yes, I know fran got luka to come but frank and luka are why he became NPOY. That's pretty clear. It was fun while it lasted I guess

 

[Kinnick.At.Night]

A source of mine close to the program has confirmed to me that CJ had no interest in transferring out. Fran was recruiting Deon Thomas’ son behind his back to steal his starting job and CJ found out. Fran blew it.

 

[GOHOX69]

Barta has a knack with timing extensions.

 

[silasstarr]

And people thought I was making this up?

A parent of a player told me at the BTT there was dissension over certain players and their playing time.

You just described every team in the country. Parents of kids not playing always feel that way.

 

[ICWestfan]

What a disappointing end to a pretty memorable season with the greatest Iowa player I've witnessed.

Next year's team will look completely different and I hope they are able to find a way to replace the offensive production of these players.

Maybe they can replace the offense by playing lock down defense? It's probably wishful thinking but slow the pace and play better D. And yes, I am being serious.

 

[BlackNGoldBleeder]

Ill take fran 100% of the time over alford. Fran is a better coach and a MUCH better human. Really the only thing alford was better at was winning in the bigten tourney.

There should be universal agreement on this.