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One potential problem I see for this year's team is free throws. I'm less concerned about making up for Jok's 3s than I am his FTs. Other than JBo, Ellingson, and possibly Moss this team is really weak at the FT line. I'm curious about Garza and Nunge in this regard. Anyone know if they can knock down FTs?
 
One potential problem I see for this year's team is free throws. I'm less concerned about making up for Jok's 3s than I am his FTs. Other than JBo, Ellingson, and possibly Moss this team is really weak at the FT line. I'm curious about Garza and Nunge in this regard. Anyone know if they can knock down FTs?

Yes they can, very well. And it isn't uncommon at all for freshmen such as Cook and Pemsl to improve at the line over their careers. Of the three concerns most have, Free Throws, Defense, Rebounding...they are all things young teams often struggle with.
 
Good to hear that Nunge and Garza can hit FTs. Last year's bigs were horrible. I'm not really convinced that Cook and Pemsl will significantly improve in just one year, though. Maybe by junior or senior seasons, but not in one year. As examples, Wagner didn't improve at all and Uhl seemed to regress. I will be pleasantly surprised if Cook and Pemsl can get anywhere near 70 percent. I have more faith in Baer improving, though.
 
Actually Uhl jumped up from .586 to .673. His frosh season he was .524. But, Wagner did regress from .524 to .463.

If we take Wagner and Uhl combined from frosh to soph? It barely changes. From 30-58 when they were freshmen (different season...I get that) to only 72-140 as sophs. The reason for this was Wagner's miserable soph year of only 38-82. That's the .463.

But if we look at Woody, Gabe...White...I just picked three bigs. Let's see what happens:

As frosh: 151-230 for .657. As sophs: 315-427 for .738. If we want to separate those:

White: .699 to .748
Woody: .509 to .710
Gabe: .694 to .730

So of five guys we see four showed improvement from frosh to soph and one digressed. What's the overall # for these five from frosh to soph? 181-288 for .628 and 387-567 for .5.5% improvement. Not just improvement in percentage but notice the near doubling in attempts!

I'd say it is fair to expect a 5.5% improvement, and more so if Wagner even returns to his rotten frosh form. ;)

That would put our bigs..if history permits, at Cook 65.3% and Pemsl at 63%. Probably won't make too many people happy...but not entirely a disaster. The key...is getting Wagner going.
 
One potential problem I see for this year's team is free throws. I'm less concerned about making up for Jok's 3s than I am his FTs. Other than JBo, Ellingson, and possibly Moss this team is really weak at the FT line. I'm curious about Garza and Nunge in this regard. Anyone know if they can knock down FTs?
A site that had stats for Nunge's Soph thru Sr seasons indicated that he shot a consistent 80-81% all 3 seasons. I'm not sure about Garza. If HS stats are an indicator I'd also expect Kriener to become respectable as he shot 72.6% as a Sr. Pemsl was average (64.9% as a Sr), but maybe Coach Speraw can work the same magic he did with Woody.:)
 
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Actually Uhl jumped up from .586 to .673. His frosh season he was .524. But, Wagner did regress from .524 to .463.

If we take Wagner and Uhl combined from frosh to soph? It barely changes. From 30-58 when they were freshmen (different season...I get that) to only 72-140 as sophs. The reason for this was Wagner's miserable soph year of only 38-82. That's the .463.

But if we look at Woody, Gabe...White...I just picked three bigs. Let's see what happens:

As frosh: 151-230 for .657. As sophs: 315-427 for .738. If we want to separate those:

White: .699 to .748
Woody: .509 to .710
Gabe: .694 to .730

So of five guys we see four showed improvement from frosh to soph and one digressed. What's the overall # for these five from frosh to soph? 181-288 for .628 and 387-567 for .5.5% improvement. Not just improvement in percentage but notice the near doubling in attempts!

I'd say it is fair to expect a 5.5% improvement, and more so if Wagner even returns to his rotten frosh form. ;)

That would put our bigs..if history permits, at Cook 65.3% and Pemsl at 63%. Probably won't make too many people happy...but not entirely a disaster. The key...is getting Wagner going.
Thanks for the stats DanL. Last year Cook and Pemsl were a solid 2nd and 3rd in FT attempts. Unless Wagner's minutes go up, I think it's a lot more key that Cook and Pemsl get that extra 5.5% (or hopefully more). If the trio of Kriener, Nunge, and Garza could come in around a collective 70% we might not cringe every time a Big goes to the line.

Any chance Ellingson could find his inner Jok? If he could shoot 100%, like last season, and shoot 180 FT's we'd get an extra 5-7 wins!
 
Thanks for the stats DanL. Last year Cook and Pemsl were a solid 2nd and 3rd in FT attempts. Unless Wagner's minutes go up, I think it's a lot more key that Cook and Pemsl get that extra 5.5% (or hopefully more). If the trio of Kriener, Nunge, and Garza could come in around a collective 70% we might not cringe every time a Big goes to the line.

Any chance Ellingson could find his inner Jok? If he could shoot 100%, like last season, and shoot 180 FT's we'd get an extra 5-7 wins!

I don't mind doing that kind of stuff. The stats came from ESPN. I'm just up late looking at my fantasy baseball team and wondering how I managed to start the week with two starting pitchers and an ERA for the day of over 20.00. :mad: Time for Dan's Red Face.
 
Dan, what numbers are you basing Nunge and Garza's ability to shoot ft's on? I haven't seen it based on small PTL results. For example Garza was 2/5 Sunday and Nunge was 2/6.

Thanks in advance. We need both of these guys to knock down FT's as I suspect they'll get more and more time as the season wears on.
 
Dan, what numbers are you basing Nunge and Garza's ability to shoot ft's on? I haven't seen it based on small PTL results. For example Garza was 2/5 Sunday and Nunge was 2/6.

Thanks in advance. We need both of these guys to knock down FT's as I suspect they'll get more and more time as the season wears on.

FYI: Nunge missed his first three free throws Sunday and you could tell he was ticked. Then during the 5 minute halftime he was practicing and hit at least 10 in a row at one point. He'll be fine.
 
Dan, what numbers are you basing Nunge and Garza's ability to shoot ft's on? I haven't seen it based on small PTL results. For example Garza was 2/5 Sunday and Nunge was 2/6.

Thanks in advance. We need both of these guys to knock down FT's as I suspect they'll get more and more time as the season wears on.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/luka-garza/y8zD-G9JEeOzMAAmVebBJg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm

That's Garza. 80% as a junior. 76% as a senior. And took a lot of them. (And in AAU at least...gave up a lot of them. :rolleyes:) I really think Iowa fas are going to like Luka's warrior ways.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/jack-nunge/Gs-uB3P5EeS00gAmVebEWg/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm

That's Nunge, as already mentioned by seer_hawk. Freagin' consistent.

Summer, the guys are lifting, scrimmaging, they show up at the PTL in less than game shape. Tired legs being a big issue. Same with exhibition games.
 
Thanks for the info. Both are billed as shooters and glad to see they knocked down ft's in high school too.
 
I think it is huge to have a point guard that can knock down free throws like Bohannon. I am really hoping Baer works hard at the FT line, he is too dedicated to not hit a better percentage. If Pemsl and Cook can improve by 5-10% that would be a lot of points to pick up.
 
I think it is huge to have a point guard that can knock down free throws like Bohannon. I am really hoping Baer works hard at the FT line, he is too dedicated to not hit a better percentage. If Pemsl and Cook can improve by 5-10% that would be a lot of points to pick up.
I actually expect Moss and Cook to draw the most fouls (shoot the most FTs) based on their attacking style of play. JB is working on in-the-lane plays, but his bread and butter is obviously the 3pter.
 
Good to hear that Nunge and Garza can hit FTs. Last year's bigs were horrible. I'm not really convinced that Cook and Pemsl will significantly improve in just one year, though. Maybe by junior or senior seasons, but not in one year. As examples, Wagner didn't improve at all and Uhl seemed to regress. I will be pleasantly surprised if Cook and Pemsl can get anywhere near 70 percent. I have more faith in Baer improving, though.
Understand your concern ER. Free throws are a big deal However both Nunge, and Garza were 75 to 80% free throw shooters in high school. Woody, for example shot like 46 to 48% in high school. I know it was below 50%, because I remember the concerns. He shot around 50% as a freshman at Iowa, and improved to being a 70% or so shooter. Cook and Pemsl struggled the first part of last year. Then they both picked it up quite a bit, and were stroking about 70% for awhile. Both fell off a little toward the end of the year, but I think there's evidence they'll put in the work and keep improving. Not concerned with the two frosh, as both are much better perimeter shooters then Woody, Cook, or Pemsl, so I think they have the stroke to be solid.
 
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A site that had stats for Nunge's Soph thru Sr seasons indicated that he shot a consistent 80-81% all 3 seasons. I'm not sure about Garza. If HS stats are an indicator I'd also expect Kriener to become respectable as he shot 72.6% as a Sr. Pemsl was average (64.9% as a Sr), but maybe Coach Speraw can work the same magic he did with Woody.:)
Garza averaged 77.90 for his varsity career.
 
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A site that had stats for Nunge's Soph thru Sr seasons indicated that he shot a consistent 80-81% all 3 seasons. I'm not sure about Garza. If HS stats are an indicator I'd also expect Kriener to become respectable as he shot 72.6% as a Sr. Pemsl was average (64.9% as a Sr), but maybe Coach Speraw can work the same magic he did with Woody.:)

This is one of the most mystifying stats I have ever seen. Pemsl has the lowest FT% in the history of basketball when it comes to guys who look like they will make every one. He is comfortable with the ball in his hands (like @AZmess ), has pretty good form, looks good on release.....then all hell breaks loose.

I haven't spent a lot of time breaking down his form, but I will be interested to see if it has changed at all this year.

On a free throw related note...I am working the NBA Summer League in Vegas in a few weeks and I set Jok's O/U FT% at 95%, but he must take at least 10 FTs to qualify. One of my buddies took the under and the loser has to wear a shirt of the winner's choice out for dinner on our last night. He is a Northwestern fan and figures worst case he has to wear an Iowa shirt for a few hours. I have a surprise for him...a terribly bright red ISU Womens Basketball polo shirt that might be a size to small. He hates the WNBA more than ISIS, so I am excited for this to happen.
 
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I actually expect Moss and Cook to draw the most fouls (shoot the most FTs) based on their attacking style of play. JB is working on in-the-lane plays, but his bread and butter is obviously the 3pter.
Bohannon won't draw as many fouls, but it's always key to have a PG that can shoot FT's.Even though Fran is willing to use other ball handlers, in late game situations, he can use his primary ball handler if he's a good FT shooter.
 
Pemsl and Cook both seemed to shoot FTs a lot better as the season progressed. No reason both can't shoot at least 70%. I am more concerned about Williams and Wagner, whose form seems very inconsistent. Baer also needs to shoot FTS a LOT better, maybe my only complaint about his play.
 
This is one of the most mystifying stats I have ever seen. Pemsl has the lowest FT% in the history of basketball when it comes to guys who look like they will make every one. He is comfortable with the ball in his hands (like @AZmess ), has pretty good form, looks good on release.....then all hell breaks loose.

I haven't spent a lot of time breaking down his form, but I will be interested to see if it has changed at all this year.

On a free throw related note...I am working the NBA Summer League in Vegas in a few weeks and I set Jok's O/U FT% at 95%, but he must take at least 10 FTs to qualify. One of my buddies took the under and the loser has to wear a shirt of the winner's choice out for dinner on our last night. He is a Northwestern fan and figures worst case he has to wear an Iowa shirt for a few hours. I have a surprise for him...a terribly bright red ISU Womens Basketball polo shirt that might be a size to small. He hates the WNBA more than ISIS, so I am excited for this to happen.
Agreed Legend. I'm not much into studying mechanics, but his shot looks good. It's a bit perplexing how he could take that form and shoot under 58% as a freshman. I kept waiting for the lid to come off the basket.
 
If males were not such DICK HEADS and all worried about how it looks...

They would shoot free throws ala RICK BARRY and shoot 90% plus.

Oh well.

Low-key one of the best comments in this thread. The statistics and physics all show that you can easily make pretty much all your free throws if you shoot under-handed. If I was a bball coach, I'd force my players to do it. Why? BECAUSE WE WANT TO ****ING WIN.
 
If males were not such DICK HEADS and all worried about how it looks...

They would shoot free throws ala RICK BARRY and shoot 90% plus.

Oh well.
Not sure if anyone other than Rick Barry could do that with success. If anyone knows of others who shot 'em that way, let me know. Maybe Pistol Pete could have and who knows? :D
 
Low-key one of the best comments in this thread. The statistics and physics all show that you can easily make pretty much all your free throws if you shoot under-handed.
It sure didn't work for Wilt lol. He not only tried underhanded, but every other technique that existed back then, and they didn't help.

Phil Jackson said that when the League changed free throw rules to "3 to make 2", they would still foul Wilt first. Made me laugh pretty good.

But, underhanded worked out just fine for Rick Barry's son Canyon.
 
But if we look at Woody, Gabe...White...I just picked three bigs. Let's see what happens:

Wow, thanks for the breakdown, Dan. I appreciate the work you did there. I forgot all about Woody, too. He was an asset on the FT line his senior year. I have to admit, that makes me feel a bit better. Good analysis. :)
 
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Thanks to everyone in this thread. Good stuff and I feel better about this season's prospects. I had been less concerned about rebounding with such a deep bench of big guys. Free Throws seemed like the most troubling link to me, but you've got me feeling more optimistic now. :)
 
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