From Hlas

[HawkCharlotte]

You need to clam up if anyone from Alabama or Albania suggests you shouldn’t have the nation’s highest-paid strength coach. You need to muffle the clamoring to play non-conference superpowers for a while.

Your 11th-ranked team lost at Kinnick Stadium to North Dakota State Saturday, 23-21. It wasn’t a fluke. You didn’t get beat because of a bad bounce or crazy call, or the harvest moon from the night before.

You lost to a team that played better. You lost to a program that is better, one of the best in college football history. North Dakota State doesn’t mix in valleys with its peaks. It wins and wins and wins and wins. It savors and seizes every chance against the bigger schools.

It was foolish of anyone to suggest five-time defending FCS champion NDSU wouldn’t have a chance here, and most figured the Bison would certainly be competitive.

But to clearly be tougher than the Hawkeyes in the fourth quarter? Jeepers!

“The fourth quarter is when we wear teams down,” NDSU grad Rod Beyer said while celebrating the victory with thousands of his close, personal friends.

“That’s our signature, baby!” added his friend, Troy Fridgen. He and Meyer are from Wheaton, Minn. They came 487 miles to see this game. Many of the rest of the 7,000 or more Bison fans came from even further to the north.

“It’s Bison culture. It’s Bison pride,” NDSU Coach Chris Klieman said after the game. “You can define that a million ways by a million different alumni. We have an unbelievable culture in our program.”

It was on crystal-clear display in Kinnick, forcing its will on Iowa as the game grew older. The Hawkeyes had minus-9 yards in the fourth quarter. Minus-9 yards. Minus-9.

NDSU’s blockers and backs rammed the Hawkeyes’ defense without hesitation. Meanwhile, the Bison’s defense stopped Iowa’s running game colder than January in Fargo.

Three NDSU backs, including quarterback Easton Stick, rushed for more yards than any Hawkeye. Stick is 11-0 as a starter. As a freshman, he led the Bison to three national playoff wins a year ago before Carson Wentz — the No. 2 pick in the 2016 NFL draft — returned from a broken wrist for the title-game triumph.

“He’s a winner,” Klieman said of Stick. “He learned from the big redhead (Wentz). The stage isn’t too big for that kid.”

NDSU played to win in the fourth quarter while Iowa tried to hang on. You know how that usually ends up.

Scoring to cut their deficit to 21-20 with 3:41 left, Klieman had his team try a 2-point conversion. It failed. But instead of casting gloom over his sideline, it just made his guys more determined.

Going for the lead on that play, said Iowa defensive tackle Jaleel Johnson, “told me they wanted to win the game.”

Iowa hadn’t rushed for more than two yards on a carry since midway through the third quarter, but began its next possession with two handoffs to LeShun Daniels that totaled a 1-yard loss. C.J. Beathard got sacked on 3rd-and-11, and Iowa had to punt.

With that play-calling, was the Hawkeyes’ goal to put the game in the hands of its tired defense?

“No, our goal was to make two first downs and then bleed the clock,” said Hawkeyes Coach Kirk Ferentz.

Of course, but the first-down marker via the ground game seemed as far from Iowa as Kinnick is from the Fargodome.

The Bison got the ball back at their 34. Stick promptly ran a keeper for 29 yards, the play of the game. Cam Pedersen’s 37-yard, last-second knockout of a field goal came four plays later.

Iowa’s offensive linemen couldn’t block NDSU, and Hawkeye fans couldn’t block out the noise from Bison fans and the Bison band after the game.

This loss leaves an ugly mark. This loss isn’t going away for a long time.

 

[soybean]

That about sums it up.

 

[MWardT]

Pretty spot on analysis on the game, which is surprising coming from Hlas.

However, I'd disagree with the last few sentences. This loss won't go away for a long time? Yes, Iowa lost to an FCS school; however, it isn't just any other FCS school, they are an FCS power and would be highly competitive in power 5 conferences.

I remember when Iowa lost at home to a terrible Central Michigan team. That loss left an ugly mark, but that didn't even define the Iowa program for years. This articles ending seems little over dramatic.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

did kf tank this on purpose? did somebody pay them to lay down?

 

[soybean]

Pretty spot on analysis on the game, which is surprising coming from Hlas.

However, I'd disagree with the last few sentences. This loss won't go away for a long time? Yes, Iowa lost to an FCS school; however, it isn't just any other FCS school, they are an FCS power and would be highly competitive in power 5 conferences.

I remember when Iowa lost at home to a terrible Central Michigan team. That loss left an ugly mark, but that didn't even define the Iowa program for years. This articles ending seems little over dramatic.

The difference is that nobody outside of Iowa was paying attention to the Hawks back then, yesterday everybody was.

 

[GolfHacker1]

You need to clam up if anyone from Alabama or Albania suggests you shouldn’t have the nation’s highest-paid strength coach. You need to muffle the clamoring to play non-conference superpowers for a while.

Your 11th-ranked team lost at Kinnick Stadium to North Dakota State Saturday, 23-21. It wasn’t a fluke. You didn’t get beat because of a bad bounce or crazy call, or the harvest moon from the night before.

You lost to a team that played better. You lost to a program that is better, one of the best in college football history. North Dakota State doesn’t mix in valleys with its peaks. It wins and wins and wins and wins. It savors and seizes every chance against the bigger schools.

It was foolish of anyone to suggest five-time defending FCS champion NDSU wouldn’t have a chance here, and most figured the Bison would certainly be competitive.

But to clearly be tougher than the Hawkeyes in the fourth quarter? Jeepers!

“The fourth quarter is when we wear teams down,” NDSU grad Rod Beyer said while celebrating the victory with thousands of his close, personal friends.

“That’s our signature, baby!” added his friend, Troy Fridgen. He and Meyer are from Wheaton, Minn. They came 487 miles to see this game. Many of the rest of the 7,000 or more Bison fans came from even further to the north.

“It’s Bison culture. It’s Bison pride,” NDSU Coach Chris Klieman said after the game. “You can define that a million ways by a million different alumni. We have an unbelievable culture in our program.”

It was on crystal-clear display in Kinnick, forcing its will on Iowa as the game grew older. The Hawkeyes had minus-9 yards in the fourth quarter. Minus-9 yards. Minus-9.

NDSU’s blockers and backs rammed the Hawkeyes’ defense without hesitation. Meanwhile, the Bison’s defense stopped Iowa’s running game colder than January in Fargo.

Three NDSU backs, including quarterback Easton Stick, rushed for more yards than any Hawkeye. Stick is 11-0 as a starter. As a freshman, he led the Bison to three national playoff wins a year ago before Carson Wentz — the No. 2 pick in the 2016 NFL draft — returned from a broken wrist for the title-game triumph.

“He’s a winner,” Klieman said of Stick. “He learned from the big redhead (Wentz). The stage isn’t too big for that kid.”

NDSU played to win in the fourth quarter while Iowa tried to hang on. You know how that usually ends up.

Scoring to cut their deficit to 21-20 with 3:41 left, Klieman had his team try a 2-point conversion. It failed. But instead of casting gloom over his sideline, it just made his guys more determined.

Going for the lead on that play, said Iowa defensive tackle Jaleel Johnson, “told me they wanted to win the game.”

Iowa hadn’t rushed for more than two yards on a carry since midway through the third quarter, but began its next possession with two handoffs to LeShun Daniels that totaled a 1-yard loss. C.J. Beathard got sacked on 3rd-and-11, and Iowa had to punt.

With that play-calling, was the Hawkeyes’ goal to put the game in the hands of its tired defense?

“No, our goal was to make two first downs and then bleed the clock,” said Hawkeyes Coach Kirk Ferentz.

Of course, but the first-down marker via the ground game seemed as far from Iowa as Kinnick is from the Fargodome.

The Bison got the ball back at their 34. Stick promptly ran a keeper for 29 yards, the play of the game. Cam Pedersen’s 37-yard, last-second knockout of a field goal came four plays later.

Iowa’s offensive linemen couldn’t block NDSU, and Hawkeye fans couldn’t block out the noise from Bison fans and the Bison band after the game.

This loss leaves an ugly mark. This loss isn’t going away for a long time.

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

how is he incorrect?

 

[madmustang4]

did kf tank this on purpose? did somebody pay them to lay down?

I hope so. Then the two up the gut runs on the last possession would make sense.

 

[GolfHacker1]

No amount of strength and conditioning allows 4 to beat 6 when it is 4 against 6 all day long. Strength and conditioning had nothing to do with yesterday afternoon.

Having said this, this game could have still been won, but for some serious errors on the part of players.

 

[blhawk]

Pretty spot on analysis on the game, which is surprising coming from Hlas.

However, I'd disagree with the last few sentences. This loss won't go away for a long time? Yes, Iowa lost to an FCS school; however, it isn't just any other FCS school, they are an FCS power and would be highly competitive in power 5 conferences.

I remember when Iowa lost at home to a terrible Central Michigan team. That loss left an ugly mark, but that didn't even define the Iowa program for years. This articles ending seems little over dramatic.

You mean when we lost to Central Michigan and went on to be 4-12? It kinda of did define the program as it was smack dab in middle of 2011-2014 stretch where we were 1-3 vs horrible Clone program and were losing more close games than winning. One schedule-aided nice season doesnt make you an elite program and we saw that yesterday.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

So it's more important to work on weaknesses then it is to use your known strengths and win the game?

Geesh, I swear...some Iowa fans and Ferentz are meant for each other.

 

[HawkCharlotte]

Eddie and Gary had the same impression of Iowa phoning it in on the last possession and hanging the victory on the defense.

The playcalling says it all.

 

[HawkCharlotte]

Also from Hlas (it didn't get pasted in the opening thread for some reason):

Now and until further notice, only Iowa football fans with a penchant for self-punishment should answer verbal slings and arrows.

You can’t respond when Fox Sports’ Colin Cowherd pours on the mockery Monday morning, and oh, how he will. You have to silently listen to every national pundit who needles Iowa for extending Kirk Ferentz’s contract into the middle of the next decade.

 

[themelrosemauler]

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

No amount of strength and conditioning allows 4 to beat 6 when it is 4 against 6 all day long. Strength and conditioning had nothing to do with yesterday afternoon.

Having said this, this game could have still been won, but for some serious errors on the part of players.

Interesting takes. So you believe the coaches will trade a loss to clean up or work on some weaknesses?

Not sure what your 4 on 6 is referring to but I'm assuming line play? And four man fronts win all the time against 6 in football. I think you're the one not paying attention. But after reading both your posts it may be that you're stoned.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

Also from Hlas (it didn't get pasted in the opening thread for some reason):

Now and until further notice, only Iowa football fans with a penchant for self-punishment should answer verbal slings and arrows.

You can’t respond when Fox Sports’ Colin Cowherd pours on the mockery Monday morning, and oh, how he will. You have to silently listen to every national pundit who needles Iowa for extending Kirk Ferentz’s contract into the middle of the next decade.

yes, let's have somebody explain the loss to Tennessee , the 0-9 third down conversions against nebby last year, loss to MSU, and rose bowl. please.

 

[mstp1992]

No amount of strength and conditioning allows 4 to beat 6 when it is 4 against 6 all day long. Strength and conditioning had nothing to do with yesterday afternoon.

Having said this, this game could have still been won, but for some serious errors on the part of players.

So, if it's 4 against 6, shouldn't something have been done to change that?

Teams are allowed to adjust during the game, correct?

 

[GolfHacker1]

So it's more important to work on weaknesses then it is to use your known strengths and win the game?

Geesh, I swear...some Iowa fans and Ferentz are meant for each other.

It is apparently to this coaching staff. Nowhere did I indicate I'd not give up the practice mentality to won yesterday's game. It could have been won. Even with the player mistakes.

The fact that the staff stayed working on areas of weakness is more concerning to me, than the fact that this coaching staff did what it has done since it's been here.

It's not like after the MO and ISU games I didn't point out the same fundamental issues.

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Barta and Ferentz have quite the thing going right now.

They also have an easy fanbase to placate.

All most of the hawk fans want is a trip in the winter to a warm place so they can have a vacation.

 

[WSC72]

Pretty spot on analysis on the game, which is surprising coming from Hlas.

However, I'd disagree with the last few sentences. This loss won't go away for a long time? Yes, Iowa lost to an FCS school; however, it isn't just any other FCS school, they are an FCS power and would be highly competitive in power 5 conferences.

I remember when Iowa lost at home to a terrible Central Michigan team. That loss left an ugly mark, but that didn't even define the Iowa program for years. This articles ending seems little over dramatic.

Seems like most articles/talk shows are a bit over dramatic, as well as a lot of posters.

As you said the loss won't define the program for years.

 

[GolfHacker1]

So, if it's 4 against 6, shouldn't something have been done to change that?

Teams are allowed to adjust during the game, correct?

Absolutely they are. Unless they are this coaching staff, and they keep using the game as a practice to work on known weaknesses.

And my opinion is that they should have. So it's not like I'm agreeing with what happened yesterday. I'm just pointing out what they did.

 

[robchawk]

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

and I will add to that the fans treated it as practice--if ever there was a game where the team needed a boost this was it....IMO it was a total culture letdown and everyone is to blame.

 

[Suterman]

The fans sucked yesterday too. The team sucked and the coaches sucked. We all sucked and the better team program, fans won the game.

 

[HawkLogic]

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

 

[doughudd]

Well I phoned it in in the fourth quarter. Left with my granddaughter.

 

[Capital1Hawk]

Barta and Ferentz have quite the thing going right now.

They also have an easy fanbase to placate.

All most of the hawk fans want is a trip in the winter to a warm place so they can have a vacation.

That didn't happen when we played TN. What did we have 5k show up to gator bowl?

 

[ottumwan in tx]

That didn't happen when we played TN. What did we have 5k show up to gator bowl?

6-6 Tennessee spanked 7-5 iowa or something like that, I just saw it on wiki

 

[ScoutRefugee]

did kf tank this on purpose? did somebody pay them to lay down?

I'll help you get where you want to go. Because I really care. Here goes.
KF got his contract extension and wanted to stick it to all of the fans and reporters that questioned his coaching abilities and wanted him fired. So, he took a big fat dump on us.That's why we lost to NDSU.

 

[gotaloadon]

If you've watched IOWA under KF during the years when the game is close and we have a chance to run out the clock in a close game the O shuts down with three's and out a very high percentage of the time. They never should have been in that position in the first place but hey!........ The team that played better won the game. NDSU is no joke and they came to Kinnick with one thing on the their minds. Control and win. They did both and IOWA looked pitiful getting spanked by them.

 

[ANYCHawk]

You lost to a team that played better. You lost to a program that is better, one of the best in college football history. North Dakota State doesn’t mix in valleys with its peaks. It wins and wins and wins and wins. It savors and seizes every chance against the bigger schools.

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

The truth hurts sometimes. On to conference play.

 

[MadDogC]

did kf tank this on purpose? did somebody pay them to lay down?

If someone ever wanted to fix games we have the perfect formula in IC...

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

I don't buy that. I would agree that the O-line play had a lot to do with the loss, but mainly because of the absence of our top 2 O-linemen, whose replacements got eaten for lunch.

We didn't do a lot scheme-wise yesterday, but I highly doubt our staff is stupid enough to treat a game against a perennial FCS power, with a long history of wins over power 5 conference teams, as a chance to work on weaknesses. I certainly hope their first priority was trying win the dang game.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

I'll help you get where you want to go. Because I really care. Here goes.
KF got his contract extension and wanted to stick it to all of the fans and reporters that questioned his coaching abilities and wanted him fired. So, he took a big fat dump on us.That's why we lost to NDSU.

no, that's not what I was thinking

 

[ottumwan in tx]

why? you might learn something about better teams. better coaching. keep an open mind.

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Hlas is a closet cyclone fan. Who cares what he thinks?

 

[hawkssox1]

I'd say Hlas, as usual, is incorrect. And I'm not defending Iowa's coaching staff for treating this game as a practice, but that's exactly how it was treated if you look at the defense we used, and the work we gave the offensive line.

With respect to Mike Hlas, I doubt he has ever played football beyond the high school level, and he has been living on his AP vote for over a decade, while not understanding the base defensive package used by the team he exclusively covers.

Iowa got beat. It was really over in the third quarter in some ways. They got beat becuase KF and staff were working on areas of weakness. And these areas were clearly seen in the first two games, so no huge surprise for those that pay attention.

Since you "pay attention"go ahead and give us the score of this weekends game.

 

[hawkssox1]

and I will add to that the fans treated it as practice--if ever there was a game where the team needed a boost this was it....IMO it was a total culture letdown and everyone is to blame.

Yup it's the fans fault.Wow just wow.

 

[Rustys Dad]

At Saturday's game, it's unfortunate that I leaned over to my friend and called exactly what would happen ... That we would go 3 and out (with a couple of vanilla plays) and punt the ball back to NDSU with about 2 minutes left and leave it up to the D. The way NDSU dominated our DLine, I was praying throughout the game for its offense to get off the field because we simply couldn't stop them. Having the ball for 10:20 seconds of the 4th quarter (I think that is what I read) is pretty tough to overcome.

 

[ottumwan in tx]

At Saturday's game, it's unfortunate that I leaned over to my friend and called exactly what would happen ... That we would go 3 and out (with a couple of vanilla plays) and punt the ball back to NDSU with about 2 minutes left and leave it up to the D. The way NDSU dominated our DLine, I was praying throughout the game for its offense to get off the field because we simply couldn't stop them. Having the ball for 10:20 seconds of the 4th quarter (I think that is what I read) is pretty tough to overcome.

sounds like the nebby game a few years ago. I know it was overtime, but same basic outcome

 

[Hawk and Awe]

Barta and Ferentz have quite the thing going right now.

They also have an easy fanbase to placate.

All most of the hawk fans want is a trip in the winter to a warm place so they can have a vacation.

What BS

The crap I've been reading on this message board would say the opposite of your post . To me Iowa fans are the some of the most ridiculous and needy in the country. They actually think they pay these peoples salary and pat themselves on the back for institutional changes made last year.