Garza and Kreiner

[Eternal Return]

Well, Iowa was probably due for a stinker, especially after escaping from UW when they probably shouldn't have. The thing that sucks, though, is that Iowa was looking like the better team and outplaying Maryland until Garza and then Kreiner picked up two fouls early. This loss is on their shoulders because they picked up really cheap, bad fouls early, fouls that could have been easily avoided. There were some bad calls later in the game, but the four fouls that mattered most were directly the fault of Garza and Kreiner. With Garza, it was overaggression, sloppiness, and trying to do too much when there wasn't a need for it. With Kreiner--grrrrr!--that forking technical was just STUPID!

As soon as those guys left the game, Maryland was able to clamp down on the perimeter without having to worry about sagging to help against Garza or Kreiner which meant CJF and Weiskamp no longer had open looks. And when Garza and Kreiner came back into the game they played sloppy and overly emotional, I thought. Garza looked especially frustrated when his shots didn't fall and that contributed to some bad all-around offensive possessions and also gave some offensive rebounds they shouldn't have. Credit to Maryland for taking advantage. That was the other thing--with Garza and Kreiner in foul trouble the lane was wide open for Cowan which wasn't the case in the first game.

We've gotta take the good with the bad, I guess. As much great work as Garza and Kreiner have done this year I'm not down on them at all. But they really did lay an egg in a key road matchup, one that they looked they could have won. Honestly, Iowa beat themselves more than Maryland beat Iowa. Garza and Kreiner have done a great job not getting into foul trouble most of the year. If they clear the cobwebs and flush that game from their system the team will be okay. It'll be a real long shot now for them to win the league, though. That game could have really helped them be in position for a double-bye in the B!G tournament, too. Que sara, sara.

 

[mtdew_fever]

Two items to consider.

1 - Maryland is not bad team.
2 - Road games are difficult regardless of the opponent. Not many teams win with frequency against other solid teams on the road.

 

[Eternal Return]

Two items to consider.

1 - Maryland is not bad team.
2 - Road games are difficult regardless of the opponent. Not many teams win with frequency against other solid teams on the road.

I know. But after looking at the officiating thread I felt compelled to point out that Iowa shot itself in the foot. Yes, Maryland is good, but from what I saw in the first game and last night I think Iowa is the better team. They could have stolen one on the road if they hadn't committed so many unforced errors (the fouls in particular).

 

[Suterman]

We are going to lose more games, maybe quite a few more. We are probably a few pieces short (PMac, Nunge, JBo) of being a championship team. So we are at 6-4 at the turn and I think most of us are pretty happy with that. If we can match that the 2nd half of the season, I will be VERY happy with this team.

 

[Eternal Return]

We are going to lose more games, maybe quite a few more. We are probably a few pieces short (PMac, Nunge, JBo) of being a championship team. So we are at 6-4 at the turn and I think most of us are pretty happy with that. If we can match that the 2nd half of the season, I will be VERY happy with this team.

I agree, but I would feel differently if Maryland had just flat out beaten them rather than Iowa beating themselves. It sucks losing because of boneheaded mistakes instead of just being beaten by a better team or a team that outplayed them. I guess they did outplay them, though, because they didn't make stupid mental errors. Maryland was the more disciplined team Thursday night.

 

[markfromj]

A 'stinker"? My goodness....

 

[Chishawk1425]

We are going to lose more games, maybe quite a few more. We are probably a few pieces short (PMac, Nunge, JBo) of being a championship team. So we are at 6-4 at the turn and I think most of us are pretty happy with that. If we can match that the 2nd half of the season, I will be VERY happy with this team.

Yeah that back half of the schedule is brutal 10-10/11-9 I'd take to be honest in league play. If they can somehow go 3-0 in the next 3 then 12-8/13-7 in play but thats about best case IMO.

 

[LaQuintaHawkeye]

So we are at 6-4 at the turn and I think most of us are pretty happy with that. If we can match that the 2nd half of the season, I will be VERY happy with this team.

I agree.

Just have to hold court at home and we’ll be fine.

 

[Rifler]

Nebraska was a stinker,.. this was not a stinker.

 

[Eternal Return]

Nebraska was a stinker,.. this was not a stinker.

You say tomatoe, I say tomatow.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Nebraska was a stinker,.. this was not a stinker.

This.

That nebby loss is a really smelly turd as them and jnw are the only teams in the B1G that are bad.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

Well, Iowa was probably due for a stinker, especially after escaping from UW when they probably shouldn't have. The thing that sucks, though, is that Iowa was looking like the better team and outplaying Maryland until Garza and then Kreiner picked up two fouls early. This loss is on their shoulders because they picked up really cheap, bad fouls early, fouls that could have been easily avoided. There were some bad calls later in the game, but the four fouls that mattered most were directly the fault of Garza and Kreiner. With Garza, it was overaggression, sloppiness, and trying to do too much when there wasn't a need for it. With Kreiner--grrrrr!--that forking technical was just STUPID!

As soon as those guys left the game, Maryland was able to clamp down on the perimeter without having to worry about sagging to help against Garza or Kreiner which meant CJF and Weiskamp no longer had open looks. And when Garza and Kreiner came back into the game they played sloppy and overly emotional, I thought. Garza looked especially frustrated when his shots didn't fall and that contributed to some bad all-around offensive possessions and also gave some offensive rebounds they shouldn't have. Credit to Maryland for taking advantage. That was the other thing--with Garza and Kreiner in foul trouble the lane was wide open for Cowan which wasn't the case in the first game.

We've gotta take the good with the bad, I guess. As much great work as Garza and Kreiner have done this year I'm not down on them at all. But they really did lay an egg in a key road matchup, one that they looked they could have won. Honestly, Iowa beat themselves more than Maryland beat Iowa. Garza and Kreiner have done a great job not getting into foul trouble most of the year. If they clear the cobwebs and flush that game from their system the team will be okay. It'll be a real long shot now for them to win the league, though. That game could have really helped them be in position for a double-bye in the B!G tournament, too. Que sara, sara.

How can you put the loss on Luka when he was the only starter to make more than 33% of his 2 point shots?
Sure having him out there will make it easier for everyone else, but at certain points they'll need to step up and they didn't.

I also noticed the facial expressions and it wasn't just Luka, many of them looked more "pouty" than "intense".

Yes that was a winnable game, thankfully pretty much all of them are...so on to the next

 

[Hawksfor3]

Well, Iowa was probably due for a stinker

Hope that's all it was, and that we are not hitting Bardo's "wall" earlier this year. We are 5-3 in Jan this year. Last year, we were 5-3 in Jan. and we were 5-2 in Feb. In March of last year, we were 0-3 and the loss we had against Theee Ohio St on Feb. 26 began a 4 game skid, going into the BTT.
The point is, that the largest skid we had last year was 4 consecutive games before the BTT. If we can come out of February with say 5-3, we would be 20-9 (11-7) heading into March, where we have a road game and home game. If we split and I think we will, we will be 21-10 (12-8) going into the BTT.
As I see it, The "wall" has been at the end of Feb. and into March, right before the BTT.

 

[BigDelHawk]

Well, Iowa was probably due for a stinker, especially after escaping from UW when they probably shouldn't have. The thing that sucks, though, is that Iowa was looking like the better team and outplaying Maryland until Garza and then Kreiner picked up two fouls early. This loss is on their shoulders because they picked up really cheap, bad fouls early, fouls that could have been easily avoided. There were some bad calls later in the game, but the four fouls that mattered most were directly the fault of Garza and Kreiner. With Garza, it was overaggression, sloppiness, and trying to do too much when there wasn't a need for it. With Kreiner--grrrrr!--that forking technical was just STUPID!

As soon as those guys left the game, Maryland was able to clamp down on the perimeter without having to worry about sagging to help against Garza or Kreiner which meant CJF and Weiskamp no longer had open looks. And when Garza and Kreiner came back into the game they played sloppy and overly emotional, I thought. Garza looked especially frustrated when his shots didn't fall and that contributed to some bad all-around offensive possessions and also gave some offensive rebounds they shouldn't have. Credit to Maryland for taking advantage. That was the other thing--with Garza and Kreiner in foul trouble the lane was wide open for Cowan which wasn't the case in the first game.

We've gotta take the good with the bad, I guess. As much great work as Garza and Kreiner have done this year I'm not down on them at all. But they really did lay an egg in a key road matchup, one that they looked they could have won. Honestly, Iowa beat themselves more than Maryland beat Iowa. Garza and Kreiner have done a great job not getting into foul trouble most of the year. If they clear the cobwebs and flush that game from their system the team will be okay. It'll be a real long shot now for them to win the league, though. That game could have really helped them be in position for a double-bye in the B!G tournament, too. Que sara, sara.

That early pick foul was not on Garza, that is the fault of whomever he is picking for not waiting for him to get set.

 

[Eternal Return]

That early pick foul was not on Garza, that is the fault of whomever he is picking for not waiting for him to get set.

The second foul was dumb, though, going over the back with like 15 or 16 minutes left when he knew he already one foul. Kreiner's tech was the worst foul, though--obviously!

 

[BigDelHawk]

The second foul was dumb, though, going over the back with like 15 or 16 minutes left when he knew he already one foul. Kreiner's tech was the worst foul, though--obviously!

Complain much? Yeah it changed the game. We may win some road games but Maryland was not likely to be one of them.

 

[Eternal Return]

How can you put the loss on Luka when he was the only starter to make more than 33% of his 2 point shots?
Sure having him out there will make it easier for everyone else, but at certain points they'll need to step up and they didn't.

I also noticed the facial expressions and it wasn't just Luka, many of them looked more "pouty" than "intense".

Yes that was a winnable game, thankfully pretty much all of them are...so on to the next

I put it on Garza because he was not on the floor for the minutes Iowa needed him and his second foul was really dumb, going over the back when he knew he already had one foul and he knew that his presence on the court opens up CJF and Weiskamp in particular. It's no coincidence that Weiskamp didn't score the rest of the 1st half after Garza went out of the game. Maryland didn't have to worry about the post, the lane, and could play really tight on the perimeter.

I mean, yeah, I guess saying it was a "stinker" is a little harsh, maybe not the case. And big guys get in foul trouble sometimes. I am probably being too hard on Garza for picking up a cheap foul. It's just that Iowa isn't good enough to win against Maryland and teams like that without Garza playing a lot of minutes and playing without foul trouble.

So I'll revise and just say I'm disappointed that the Hawks missed an opportunity that was there for the taking.

 

[Eternal Return]

Complain much? Yeah it changed the game. We may win some road games but Maryland was not likely to be one of them.

lol. It's not a huge complaint. It's one game and I thought Garza played poorly by picking up the fouls. I think Iowa would have beaten Maryland Thursday night if Garza hadn't gotten into foul trouble. That's why I'm disappointed. But, yeah, saying it was a stinker is a bit too much. But Garza is just THAT important for the team, the one guy who can't have a bad or mediocre game on any given night, especially on the road against a team like Maryland. And if Garza gets into foul trouble then Kreiner HAS to keep his cool and not pick up a stupid technical in a critical situation.

Anyway, as long as Iowa rebounds and Garza and Kreiner get back to playing the way they have been, Iowa will be okay. I'm not down on the team or the season; I'm just down about them letting one get away. The Nebraska game was just one of those games where Iowa missed shots they often make. It sucks, but it happens. Unforced errors, I don't know, i guess it's just that I have a coach's mentality about making mental errors.

 

[BigDelHawk]

I put it on Garza because he was not on the floor for the minutes Iowa needed him and his second foul was really dumb, going over the back when he knew he already had one foul and he knew that his presence on the court opens up CJF and Weiskamp in particular. It's no coincidence that Weiskamp didn't score the rest of the 1st half after Garza went out of the game. Maryland didn't have to worry about the post, the lane, and could play really tight on the perimeter.

I mean, yeah, I guess saying it was a "stinker" is a little harsh, maybe not the case. And big guys get in foul trouble sometimes. I am probably being too hard on Garza for picking up a cheap foul. It's just that Iowa isn't good enough to win against Maryland and teams like that without Garza playing a lot of minutes and playing without foul trouble.

So I'll revise and just say I'm disappointed that the Hawks missed an opportunity that was there for the taking.

Smith is the real deal and made for lots of problems for Iowa. That guy is big, quick and talented and anyone tasked with guarding him is going to pull fouls. Some of those fouls were called pretty quick and were questionable. Step back a little. It was at Maryland. They got away being a little more aggressive than they should have due to the crowd, however they are also a damn good team.

 

[Eternal Return]

Smith is the real deal and made for lots of problems for Iowa. That guy is big, quick and talented and anyone tasked with guarding him is going to pull fouls. Some of those fouls were called pretty quick and were questionable. Step back a little. It was at Maryland. They got away being a little more aggressive than they should have due to the crowd, however they are also a damn good team.

I replied to your other post so not much more to say here except that, yeah, Iowa has to play at their best to beat a really disciplined and talented team like Maryland on the road. They didn't, time to move on, I got my frustrations off my chest.

 

[BigDelHawk]

 

[DodgerHawki]

I agree, but I would feel differently if Maryland had just flat out beaten them rather than Iowa beating themselves. It sucks losing because of boneheaded mistakes instead of just being beaten by a better team or a team that outplayed them. I guess they did outplay them, though, because they didn't make stupid mental errors. Maryland was the more disciplined team Thursday night.

Michigan, Rutgers, Wisconsin fans are saying the same thing about losing at Iowa. Iowa trailed all of those games late. Iowa played better down the stretch, including getting some calls.

Iowa didn't just beat themselves last night. Maryland had something to do with it. Yes, Iowa missed a great deal of open 3's. It happens. So did Maryland. Not to simplify the game, but Garza playing only 24 minutes was the game. Period. Yes, a lot of other stuff happened, but if Garza plays 35+ minutes, the game could go either way. The entire game changes when he is on the floor. When Iowa has the ball, defense has to shade attention to him (and he still scores). On defense, he makes a huge difference in Iowa's ability to stop a layup line from occurring.

 

[H4wkfan4life]

I put it on Garza because he was not on the floor for the minutes Iowa needed him and his second foul was really dumb, going over the back when he knew he already had one foul and he knew that his presence on the court opens up CJF and Weiskamp in particular. It's no coincidence that Weiskamp didn't score the rest of the 1st half after Garza went out of the game. Maryland didn't have to worry about the post, the lane, and could play really tight on the perimeter.

I mean, yeah, I guess saying it was a "stinker" is a little harsh, maybe not the case. And big guys get in foul trouble sometimes. I am probably being too hard on Garza for picking up a cheap foul. It's just that Iowa isn't good enough to win against Maryland and teams like that without Garza playing a lot of minutes and playing without foul trouble.

So I'll revise and just say I'm disappointed that the Hawks missed an opportunity that was there for the taking.

I'd say "definitely", not "probably"

Good news is these are humans, like the guys on every team. They will make mistakes, just all other teams.

I think you're just getting a little spoiled. Garza seemed to have tons of foolish fouls last year and damn near eliminated them all this year. I wasn't happy with the foul either, but I realize he'll have to show his human side occasionally.

 

[RomanHawk]

Lots of comments about the players, but what about the coach? Ralph Miller always said that in tightly contested games, they are usually won or lost in one 5 minute span during the game. Maryland won with Garza and Kreiner sitting on the bench during Maryland's late fist half run. We never regained the lead.Why were they both there? There were 6 fouls left in the post with only 3/4 of the game left. The referees didn't limit their playing time. Fran did. He's doing much better this year in many areas but that is one area that he continues to shoot himself in the foot.

 

[wicksy77]

Cowan is why Iowa lost. The guy was outstanding. He took over and the Hawks didn't have an answer.

 

[Eternal Return]

I'd say "definitely", not "probably"

Good news is these are humans, like the guys on every team. They will make mistakes, just all other teams.

I think you're just getting a little spoiled. Garza seemed to have tons of foolish fouls last year and damn near eliminated them all this year. I wasn't happy with the foul either, but I realize he'll have to show his human side occasionally.

Yeah, probably spoiled.

 

[Aleksei]

Lots of comments about the players, but what about the coach? Ralph Miller always said that in tightly contested games, they are usually won or lost in one 5 minute span during the game. Maryland won with Garza and Kreiner sitting on the bench during Maryland's late fist half run. We never regained the lead.Why were they both there? There were 6 fouls left in the post with only 3/4 of the game left. The referees didn't limit their playing time. Fran did. He's doing much better this year in many areas but that is one area that he continues to shoot himself in the foot.

Agreed. And very good point as I’ve always struggled with Fran’s substation schemes. However, I can live with this loss as Maryland is an excellent team and a tough place to play. The Nebraska loss really hurts. We could have had 16-5, and 7-3 and tied for the second place. We shouldn’t have lost that game. Too many shots and free throws that we missed. Still, this is a much better season than I expected, and I think this team is for real.

 

[mazda1]

My concern all season has been is the fatigue due to minutes played and the freshman wall. With back to back 35 percent shooting games (with a number of open looks) I’m starting to wonder if the legs are not what they were. I hope I’m wrong, but everyone is playing more than last year and CJ and Joe T haven’t done this before.

It’s worth watching the next couple of games to see if it’s a trend.

 

[Hawksfor3]

Complain much? Yeah it changed the game. We may win some road games but Maryland was not likely to be one of them.

Personally, I felt that it was a game we could-have not should-have.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Hawks need to beat Illannoy Sunday. Very important game.

Luka and Kriener need to play more than 38 min and get way more than 7 boards between them. Props to Pemsl, but when he gets more rebounds than Luka and Kriener combined, the Hawks are in trouble.

 

[CanadaHawk]

Well, Iowa was probably due for a stinker, especially after escaping from UW when they probably shouldn't have. The thing that sucks, though, is that Iowa was looking like the better team and outplaying Maryland until Garza and then Kreiner picked up two fouls early. This loss is on their shoulders because they picked up really cheap, bad fouls early, fouls that could have been easily avoided. There were some bad calls later in the game, but the four fouls that mattered most were directly the fault of Garza and Kreiner. With Garza, it was overaggression, sloppiness, and trying to do too much when there wasn't a need for it. With Kreiner--grrrrr!--that forking technical was just STUPID!

As soon as those guys left the game, Maryland was able to clamp down on the perimeter without having to worry about sagging to help against Garza or Kreiner which meant CJF and Weiskamp no longer had open looks. And when Garza and Kreiner came back into the game they played sloppy and overly emotional, I thought. Garza looked especially frustrated when his shots didn't fall and that contributed to some bad all-around offensive possessions and also gave some offensive rebounds they shouldn't have. Credit to Maryland for taking advantage. That was the other thing--with Garza and Kreiner in foul trouble the lane was wide open for Cowan which wasn't the case in the first game.

We've gotta take the good with the bad, I guess. As much great work as Garza and Kreiner have done this year I'm not down on them at all. But they really did lay an egg in a key road matchup, one that they looked they could have won. Honestly, Iowa beat themselves more than Maryland beat Iowa. Garza and Kreiner have done a great job not getting into foul trouble most of the year. If they clear the cobwebs and flush that game from their system the team will be okay. It'll be a real long shot now for them to win the league, though. That game could have really helped them be in position for a double-bye in the B!G tournament, too. Que sara, sara.

Yeah, while it can be said that Iowa didn’t lose because of the Garza/Kriener fouls, it's difficult to say Iowa couldn’t have beaten MD without those fouls either. Those guys so affect every aspect of the team’s play. Now we’ll never know. Life in the B1G. Moving on to Sunday.

 

[HawkRugged17]

My concern all season has been is the fatigue due to minutes played and the freshman wall. With back to back 35 percent shooting games (with a number of open looks) I’m starting to wonder if the legs are not what they were. I hope I’m wrong, but everyone is playing more than last year and CJ and Joe T haven’t done this before.

It’s worth watching the next couple of games to see if it’s a trend.

Garza and Kriener were rested a bit in the Maryland game.

 

[BirdistheWord]

It goes to show we dont have much margin for error related to our personnel. Kreiner and Bakari are good role players, but cannot be counted on for lots of scoring. Connor is very consistent as swiss army knife "glue" guy. Nucleus of Garza/CJF/Weezy are critical and very hard for us to win if ANY of them have bad night OR are not on the floor. Luckily, they are very consistent, especially of course Garza. Toussaint is kind of the wildcard. His defense is important and he does normally get some nice drives to bucket + FT's but he must be efficient. He is more "gravy."