Ah yes. Gotta love these takes from people who don't watch the Association.
Garza - NBA
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Ah yes. Gotta love these takes from people who don't watch the Association.
I watched it for about 40 years and observed the development from an outstanding game into an orchestrated but dishonest form of entertainment, kind of like the WWE, into his collection of five guys playing one on one. Has it changed dramatically in the last few years?
I still catch parts of NBA games when there is literally nothing else on and its just seems sillier to me than it was a few years ago when I quit watching. Even the uniforms are stupid.
It's not the center that he has to defend out there. It's the guy the center is screening for, and an nba 5 man is going to be involved in a pick just about every time down court.
NBA teams want to be able to switch screens.
Similar games maybe but Kanter is still allot more horizontally mobile, even being sub par athletically for the nba.
Fair enough if you watched it for that long. It goes in cycles. The NBA from 2006-present is much better than it was from 1990-2005. Can't speak before that.
Even 2019 It's very different compared to 2015. All I can suggest is watch. If you're a basketball fan, watch the games. Once you watch 10 in a row then watch a college game you'll see how much better everything is; from the spacing, to the offensive sets, defensive rotations, refs, and most of all, they make open shots.
I'd say all 400 players in the NBA are more horizontally mobile than Garza.
Kanter isn't a horrible comp but really I don't think there is a really close one.
Theres big guys who cant jump, the Lopez brothers, Marc Gasol, Jokich but they can still all move decently horizontally and effectly defend on the perimeter.
If Garza has a chance he has to figure out a way to effectively defend on the perimeter.
He's not a very good decision maker. He is also a good rebounder and pretty good defender in addition to his athleticism. He's always been one of those guys that you wonder when he's going to figure it out.
Cook likely won't be more than a career bench player. However, his athleticism let's him do things that will give him a shot to stick.
Garza is a tremendous player at the offensive end and at the college level this season. As others have noted, though, that alone is not enough to translate to the NBA which plays a very different game. While Luka's throw back, old school center post game is wonderful to watch for those of us that remember that style it's hard to see how that fits with current NBA offensive schemes. Then there's the issue of defense. How does he play D in the NBA against that level of talent and mobility when he struggles to be an adequate defender at the college level?
I hope he proves all the naysayers wrong, including me. But I just don't see the NBA in his future. And as for him leaving early, that would appear to be so low on the likelihood scale that it doesn't register.
I hope he proves all the naysayers wrong, including me. But I just don't see the NBA in his future. And as for him leaving early, that would appear to be so low on the likelihood scale that it doesn't register.
To be fair, Jahlil Okafor was like the third pick in the draft a few years ago, and absolutely blows on defense... I think Garza could get drafted, but would be smart to stick it out all four years
Just once in basketball and football can we have everyone back the next season to see what happens.
Are you serious? I'll give you what you say about Jokic as Luka is nowhere close to him. Boogie will play if he's healthy, he can go toe to toe with any big in the league and none of them could check him.
I love watching Luka but you're doing him a major disservice putting his name in a sentence with those two.
Lol, ok. Saying diserverice doesn't even make sense and even acting so dramatic on a message board is ridiculous.
When you compare someone to a better player its compliment.
The comparison is based more on defense. Those are two big slow footed guys who operate on the post, can shoot from 3 and struggle to defend the screen and roll. Especially Cousins but have managed to make it work in the nba.
Obviously they're not the same offensive players as Garza is even a notch below athletically.
Boogie is on his last leg in the league, literally. I wouldn't be surprised if hes not in the league next year. Almost nobody wanted him off the last injury.
This is dead on. We are very lucky to have Luka, and even luckier that he will be a great 4-yr player for the Hawks. Luka will be able to make some money overseas playing basketball, but I would be shocked if he left early or if he became a first-round draft choice, even after his senior year.
You haven’t been watching Suns games lately if you think that. Frank might be more versatile now after 4 years as a pro, but I could see Garza with a similar trajectory being even better inside.
That said, I would think he should stay and get his degree and continue to develop, but he will get better advice than mine.
Maybe GMs will see his name and think his a euro. That should help.
I love basketball and I honestly can’t imagine watching ten NBA games.
l’ve tried.
I recognize that they have some of the greatest athletes in the world coached by some of the best basketball minds in the world and yet I’ve never found it compelling. Too many games maybe...?
I agree he has some issues related to athleticism for the NBA, but he is having a great year so if he continues at his current pace do you really think coming back for another year will improve his stock? I really don’t think so myself so to me it’s kind of his decision go after this year and see what happens, likely end up in the G league or Europe or come back for another year and maybe not improve your draft stock much but have another fun year of college basketball and then go with probably the same result. Kind of depends on how much he values another year of playing for Iowa on what would look to be a pretty good team with him back.
Totally agree. I love playing and watching basketball but watching NBA games is a chore.
I think chances of him going pro are pretty slim after this year. All he needs to do is look at the 2 best post players in the Big 10 last year. Ethan Happ and Nick Ward (who left a year early) both are playing in Europe now. Happ lacks outside shot but athletic and Ward like Garza lacks the foot speed and athleticism. Garza is a better shooter than both.
And how much he values one year of getting paid and how much that would potentially be.
Not to mention Jokic is one of the best passers in the game, whereas Luka just doesn't pass.
It's likely because you aren't a fan of any of the teams. Find a team where you recognize a few of the players from college. Watch a few of their games to pick up on tendencies (who can pass, shoot, play D, etc.). It will make the game much more interesting. No one will ever get into the NBA (or college ball) if they don't have any allegiances, and just half watch every time they turn to it.
I did have allegiances growing up but my taste for the product has waned over the years. I get tired of watching the reffing skew towards the superstars (I’m not putting down the refs, I’m putting down what is obviously NBA policy) and I realize that has always been part of the game but really took off with Michael Jordan and has become more and more egregious. I get tired of know what teams will be in the Finals every year before the playoffs even start (Toronto was an outlier last year). And I hate the product - much less of a team game and much softer (I enjoyed the toughness and physicalness of the 80’s and 90’s). Now it it more pick and roll or isolation and the idea of fouling someone hard coming down the lane is gone. Watching Janes Harden is the pinnacle of bad and boring basketball to me. I’d rather watch a high school game than watch him jack up 40 shots in iso play while traveling and getting phantom fouls all game long.
Well yeah, definitely don't watch the Rockets. That shit is terrible. I think now would be the perfect time for you to get back into it. Teams are moving the ball more than ever, and the NBA is wide open this season. I see 11 teams with a realistic shot at winning it all (Milwaukee, Boston, Philly, Miami, Toronto, Lakers, Clippers, Dallas, Denver, Utah, Houston). Pacers will be a contender as well if they eventually get Oladipo back.
Actually that was implied in what I said since passing is a big part of offense.
Passing and over all feel for the game is the biggest difference between the two.
Hardens step back is almost always 3 to 5 steps. So yeah that's really annoying.
Theres a definite genius in how he plays from an efficiency standpoint but he has literally stripped all spontaneity and creativity out of his game.
It's the same 3 things every time.
Watching great players spontaneously create plays in the moment is the most entertaining part of basketball and Harden is the antithesis of that.
I totally agree with this. I do enjoy watching players like Doncic and Jokic.
It’s not just one-on-one but it’s a lot of pick and roll or iso and that player either shoots or drives and kicks out for a 3. Just not my type of game. I don’t find it entertaining or fun to watch.
It’s also not helped by reffing that is geared toward helping superstars and offense. For me the toughness and physicalness has vanished and I personally don’t like that. Some people do.
Also, it’s too many games. The MLB and NHL have the same problem. To me, it’s hard to get excited about Game 55 of the season knowing it has little impact on anything and there are 25 more to go. Especially when real upsets don’t happen very often in the playoffs. Even in MLB and NHL, the wildcards or 8th seed realistically beat the top seeds. That’s not true in NBA. So you have 82 regular season games that cover 6 months only to have the teams you already knew were gong to be the Top Seeds be the Top Seeds and advance to the Conference and League Finals.
I’m not disputing the greatness of NBA players and certain players or Games will grab my attention but in general, I find it overall not a great product to watch.
Post moves to go along with three-point shooting capability is not unique anymore. At all.
