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George W. Bush to hold fundraiser with Rep. Liz Cheney next month

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Former president George W. Bush is holding a fundraiser next month with Rep. Liz Cheney, as the Wyoming Republican and prominent critic of former president Donald Trump faces a tough reelection battle.

The event marks a rare campaign-trail appearance by Bush. Cheney is the daughter of Richard B. Cheney, Bush’s former vice president.
Trump has vowed to unseat Cheney since she voted to impeach him in January over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, which was carried out by a mob of supporters who echoed his false claims about the election while seeking to stop Congress from certifying its results and declaring Joe Biden the president-elect.

Earlier this month, Trump endorsed Cheney’s primary opponent, Harriet Hageman. The contest will serve as the marquee test of the former president’s ability to purge his critics from the party.


News of the fundraiser was first reported by Politico. A person familiar with the matter confirmed the event to The Washington Post.
According to an invitation for the fundraiser, several other top Republicans in Bush’s orbit are expected to attend the Oct. 18 event in Dallas. They include former Bush political adviser Karl Rove, former Bush senior adviser Karen Hughes, former White House counsel Harriet Miers, and former senator and U.S. Ambassador to NATO Kay Bailey Hutchison.

 
Bunch of RINOs there. No longer welcome by the Trump Party.
The Neocons were the original Never Trumpers, so I'm sure the feelings are mutual.

Anyone seen Bush comment on our invasion of Syria to steal their oil?
 
You guys sure do love giving cute nicknames to everyone.

The GOP needs to go back to actual adults
The term neoconservative was popularized in the United States during 1973 by the socialist leader Michael Harrington, who used the term to define Daniel Bell, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and Irving Kristol, whose ideologies differed from Harrington's

Neoconservatism is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and interventionism in international affairs, including peace through strength, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and political radicalism.


Post 9/11 'neocon' became shorthand for those advocating interventionism.

Trump crossed these people when he pointed out their "stupid wars" weren't actually any benefit to the U.S., but in fact the opposite.

I'm not aware of any neocons that don't also consider themselves Never Trumpers as consequence. I guess Liz Cheney is the current primary politico in their fold.

I hope she loses.
 
Kinda a lost cause at this point. GOP is Trump's. Rs like Liz will get slaughtered in the midterms. Campaigning with Bush likely won't change that.

The term neoconservative was popularized in the United States during 1973 by the socialist leader Michael Harrington, who used the term to define Daniel Bell, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and Irving Kristol, whose ideologies differed from Harrington's

Neoconservatism is a political movement born in the United States during the 1960s among liberal hawks who became disenchanted with the increasingly pacifist foreign policy of the Democratic Party and with the growing New Left and counterculture of the 1960s, particularly the Vietnam protests. Some also began to question their liberal beliefs regarding domestic policies such as the Great Society. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and interventionism in international affairs, including peace through strength, and are known for espousing disdain for communism and political radicalism.


Post 9/11 'neocon' became shorthand for those advocating interventionism.

Trump crossed these people when he pointed out their "stupid wars" weren't actually any benefit to the U.S., but in fact the opposite.

I'm not aware of any neocons that don't also consider themselves Never Trumpers as consequence. I guess Liz Cheney is the current primary politico in their fold.

I hope she loses.
Come on, this has nothing to do with neocons or anything. Cheney is getting challenged solely because she crossed Trump. Politics has nothing to do with it.

honestly, I hope she wins.
 
Come on, this has nothing to do with neocons or anything. Cheney is getting challenged solely because she crossed Trump. Politics has nothing to do with it.

honestly, I hope she wins.
Yep, she's one of the very few Republicans in elected office who put country over party and called out Trump on his treasonous activity and corruption. Her policy positions aside, she is to be admired for doing the right thing and voting to impeach and risking her political future to do so. I too hope she wins, but doubt that she will.
 
Trump crossed these people when he pointed out their "stupid wars" weren't actually any benefit to the U.S., but in fact the opposite.

I'm not aware of any neocons that don't also consider themselves Never Trumpers as consequence. I guess Liz Cheney is the current primary politico in their fold.
Maybe Trump crossed these people when he acted like a immature child and a buffoon. Did that ever cross your mind?

I didn't always agree with Bush and Cheney but they didn't tweet out immature remarks constantly. They governed towards all Americans as best they could. They weren't real life trolls.

I will take a neocon over that everyday of the damn week.
 
Which one is that? The one of me Moraling your mom?
"Thanks".

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Don't play coy, take your lump, it was funny in the moment.
 
Come on, this has nothing to do with neocons or anything. Cheney is getting challenged solely because she crossed Trump. Politics has nothing to do with it.

honestly, I hope she wins.
Politics ALWAYS "has something to do with it." In this case, it has everything to do with it. Optics, power, political posturing and persuasion.

The neocons hate Trump... I mean, HATE Trump! Bill Kristol, David Frum, and on and on and on... they despise Donald Trump. He hijacked their party, completely! And, the Neocons were the Democrats primary adversary for at least 20-30 years... until Donald Trump came along. Trump appealed to those rabid, ultra-fervent Ron Paul/Tea Party folks. They had become disillusioned with Republican foreign policy. He got a lot more people than them but they definitely were the strongest, most vocal and committed supporters.

The real tragedy of the whole Trump phenomena is that it was wasted. It was always going to be a waste. It was a waste because it was Donald Trump who appealed to them. And, they fell for it! Donald Trump has no agenda, no policy, no vision, except how something (anything... everything) affects him. He is able to spin a yarn that gets people hooked into thinking LIKE HIM, without realizing that he's all ABOUT HIM.

Regardless, he got a lot of people to say "FVCK YOU" to the GOP establishment and the old guard ways and faces. And, they don't care for the lineage, either. Liz Cheney is one of the few connections to that old way. She opposed Trump, but it was definitely political and definitely power-motivated. Nothing occurs in that process that isn't power/political in nature. NOTHING!
 
Former President George W. Bush should be
applauded for his efforts to help LIz Cheney.
This will demonstrate that the GOP old guard
will not be afraid to challenge Trump in 2022
congressional elections. He needs to lose.
One can only hope that Liz Cheney can be
re-elected and common sense prevails.
 
Former President George W. Bush should be
applauded for his efforts to help LIz Cheney.
This will demonstrate that the GOP old guard
will not be afraid to challenge Trump in 2022
congressional elections. He needs to lose.
One can only hope that Liz Cheney can be
re-elected and common sense prevails.
You are on a roll lately sir. Much respect.
 
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The GOP needs to return to its roots. They should actually embrace the Liz Cheney and Kinzinger types. I would probably vote for the GOP again if that were to happen. But, If I were a betting man, I think Trump is their 24 nominee. That, or a Trumpist type.
I hear you and what I'm most afraid of is he steals from an actual quality candidate.
 
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Donald Trump is a good example of a
person who had no clue how the federal
government works between the executive,
legislative and judicial branches.

Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W.
Bush had all served as governors of California,
Arkansas, and Texas respectively. They knew
the inner working pieces of government.

Today, our nation is suffering for having elected
a populist like Donald Trump who had never
held an elective office in his life. Experience
in government matters more than an egotist..
 
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Donald Trump is a good example of a
person who had no clue how the federal
government works between the executive,
legislative and judicial branches.

Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W.
Bush had all served as governors of California,
Arkansas, and Texas respectively. They knew
the inner working pieces of government.

Today, our nation is suffering for having elected
a populist like Donald Trump who had never
held an elective office in his life. Experience
in government matters more than an egotist..

It's not necessarily lack of experience in government that is Donald Trump's fatal flaw . . . Eisenhower had no experience in government and was probably one of the best peace time presidents in American history.

The problem is that Donald Trump ultimately only cares about Donald Trump. Also he's stupid and childish.

His list of personality flaws are what made him a truly terrible president.
 
Politics ALWAYS "has something to do with it." In this case, it has everything to do with it. Optics, power, political posturing and persuasion.

The neocons hate Trump... I mean, HATE Trump! Bill Kristol, David Frum, and on and on and on... they despise Donald Trump. He hijacked their party, completely! And, the Neocons were the Democrats primary adversary for at least 20-30 years... until Donald Trump came along. Trump appealed to those rabid, ultra-fervent Ron Paul/Tea Party folks. They had become disillusioned with Republican foreign policy. He got a lot more people than them but they definitely were the strongest, most vocal and committed supporters.

The real tragedy of the whole Trump phenomena is that it was wasted. It was always going to be a waste. It was a waste because it was Donald Trump who appealed to them. And, they fell for it! Donald Trump has no agenda, no policy, no vision, except how something (anything... everything) affects him. He is able to spin a yarn that gets people hooked into thinking LIKE HIM, without realizing that he's all ABOUT HIM.

Regardless, he got a lot of people to say "FVCK YOU" to the GOP establishment and the old guard ways and faces. And, they don't care for the lineage, either. Liz Cheney is one of the few connections to that old way. She opposed Trump, but it was definitely political and definitely power-motivated. Nothing occurs in that process that isn't power/political in nature. NOTHING!
All this is true. But given the choice between the old guard/two party nonsense and the cult of personality/slide into authoritarianism I'm forced to cheer for the former.
 
All this is true. But given the choice between the old guard/two party nonsense and the cult of personality/slide into authoritarianism I'm forced to cheer for the former.
That's fine. I'm certainly not trying to encourage ANYONE to join Trump's Cult, but he has definitely taken over their party. And, honestly, if the Neocons could take a page from his book and find someone that could rally people like Donald Trump, they definitely would. In fact, the Democrats would do the same! That's proof that this is all political.

And, you can cheer all you want, but, I don't think that Neocons are poised for a huge resurgence in the present, or even near future.

Until this pandemic can be placed in the rear-view mirror, it will continue to unravel. I think Biden's shortcomings are going to become more obvious. America is circling the drain more and more rapidly. It peaked after World War II and it's been a slow, long, glorious ride to the bottom. The 1960's lit the fuse. There was a short "last gasp" right after 9/11, but even that wasn't legitimate when you look closely at the details and realize that America's corruption and self-serving ideologies directly contributed to the attacks, and everything that followed. Partisan politics keeps pumping irrevocable poison into the body politic of the USA.
 
I will add that, I think, the majority of Republicans would be content to go back to the old names, faces policies, etc., if Trump fades from glory. Americans love to argue about which side is ruining the country faster. When the ruin comes- and it's coming- I hope they all have a contingency plan for arguing.
 
It's not necessarily lack of experience in government that is Donald Trump's fatal flaw . . . Eisenhower had no experience in government and was probably one of the best peace time presidents in American history.

The problem is that Donald Trump ultimately only cares about Donald Trump. Also he's stupid and childish.

His list of personality flaws are what made him a truly terrible president.
I thought the bigger issue, aside of course from what you said already, is that Trump never understood the POTUS is not the same thing as a CEO. the truly ironic thing about his presidency, was that there were so many things he could have done had he let Congress be involved. Instead, a truly ridiculous number of executive orders got overturned because he wrote them like an idiot. The pinnacle of all that came with the census case, where the SC told him no, and essentially told his lawyers to lie better.

honestly, as much as he loved just being the guy at signing ceremonies, if he’d let Mitch and Ryan run things..of course, that would mean being someone other than Trump.
 
I will add that, I think, the majority of Republicans would be content to go back to the old names, faces policies, etc., if Trump fades from glory. Americans love to argue about which side is ruining the country faster. When the ruin comes- and it's coming- I hope they all have a contingency plan for arguing.
How does this work practically, though? Virtually all sane Rs have been removed from office. Not a single R in Iowa, for example, is anti Trump. Do they all have to be removed? Seems like that will take a while.
 
How does this work practically, though? Virtually all sane Rs have been removed from office. Not a single R in Iowa, for example, is anti Trump. Do they all have to be removed? Seems like that will take a while.
I will add that, I think, the majority of Republicans would be content to go back to the old names, faces policies, etc., if Trump fades from glory. Americans love to argue about which side is ruining the country faster. When the ruin comes- and it's coming- I hope they all have a contingency plan for arguing.
 
The reason Dwight Eisenhower was a good
President......He was a great leader who got
everyone to be on the same page.

In WWII, he had to work with President FDR
as the Supreme Allied Commander . As a
two term President he was able to work with
both GOP and Democrats in Congress to get
things done like the Interstate Hwy System.
 
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Unfortunately, Liz Cheney has zero chance of being re-elected next year. And all because she has the proverbial gonads to oppose a corrupt loser like Donald Trump who won't accept the fact that he lost the election, and even to this day has no scruples about continuing to wreak havoc on the very core of our democracy by pushing his big lie. Just as complicit are his many supporters, including Republican leadership, who continue to support this loser.
 
I thought the bigger issue, aside of course from what you said already, is that Trump never understood the POTUS is not the same thing as a CEO. the truly ironic thing about his presidency, was that there were so many things he could have done had he let Congress be involved. Instead, a truly ridiculous number of executive orders got overturned because he wrote them like an idiot. The pinnacle of all that came with the census case, where the SC told him no, and essentially told his lawyers to lie better.

honestly, as much as he loved just being the guy at signing ceremonies, if he’d let Mitch and Ryan run things..of course, that would mean being someone other than Trump.

He wasn't strongly ideological on issues other than xenophobia. So in that respect he could have gotten a lot done.

The problem was he was a weak leader and the moment he would have some sort of general agreement going with the Democrats some subordinate would come talk him out of it.

For all his bluster and tough guy persona he would not stand up to any group that was going to vote for him. If you were not going to vote for him, he'd be an absolute dick to you just cause he thought it was fun. But if you were going to vote for him he would keel over, do and say whatever you wanted him to.
 
Former president George W. Bush is holding a fundraiser next month with Rep. Liz Cheney, as the Wyoming Republican and prominent critic of former president Donald Trump faces a tough reelection battle.

The event marks a rare campaign-trail appearance by Bush. Cheney is the daughter of Richard B. Cheney, Bush’s former vice president.
Trump has vowed to unseat Cheney since she voted to impeach him in January over his role in the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol, which was carried out by a mob of supporters who echoed his false claims about the election while seeking to stop Congress from certifying its results and declaring Joe Biden the president-elect.

Earlier this month, Trump endorsed Cheney’s primary opponent, Harriet Hageman. The contest will serve as the marquee test of the former president’s ability to purge his critics from the party.


News of the fundraiser was first reported by Politico. A person familiar with the matter confirmed the event to The Washington Post.
According to an invitation for the fundraiser, several other top Republicans in Bush’s orbit are expected to attend the Oct. 18 event in Dallas. They include former Bush political adviser Karl Rove, former Bush senior adviser Karen Hughes, former White House counsel Harriet Miers, and former senator and U.S. Ambassador to NATO Kay Bailey Hutchison.


 
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