ADVERTISEMENT

Gilman on Wrestling changed my life

natchrlman

HB Heisman
Jul 10, 2003
5,136
9,723
113
Someone posted a different episode of WCML on here and now I’m hooked on the podcast. Highly recommend!

Listened go the Gilman episode from 2020….. He is one Odd Duck…..

Most I’ve heard someone boast about how humble they are 😂

The Nancy Shultz interview was really good… lots of great content
 
Last edited:
disagree. I admit I assumed he would win it, but he had a few holes in his folkstyle game, which, looking back, couldn't be entirely covered up.
Couldn’t be improved upon or just wasn’t coached up? Game planning opponents (or at least the appearance) has been difficult to spot in IC. Coaches prolly wasting bunches of time prepping for midnight recruiting calls.
 
I’m going to guess you are talking about wrestling “changed” my life
😂😂 I’m really hard of hearing and never actually ever read the title…..I thought they were saying wrestling saved my life in the intro….. Ill edit the title 😎

I need to purchase hearing aids
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Inthecircle
he was never the same after the lizak match. was absolutely terrified of losing after that. suddenly couldn't get off bottom and got turned by lower competition.

he looked petrified of cruz in the semi. he did not want to risk being underneath him and wrestled not to lose.
 
disagree. I admit I assumed he would win it, but he had a few holes in his folkstyle game, which, looking back, couldn't be entirely covered up.
His enferiority complex being his biggest obstacle. He has always had little mans syndrome, and he will always suffer from it. It consumes him sometimes to the point he can't think straight.
 
Not true, at all. A bad shot is easily countered and is points for the other guy.
A truly bad shot, one which allows the opponent to easily capitalize for points, for sure.

My post was a general observation about the lack of aggression. DeSanto probably took more “bad” shots than other Iowa wrestlers but he was one of my favorite Hawkeye wrestlers because he took chances and had a point scoring mindset.
 
A truly bad shot, one which allows the opponent to easily capitalize for points, for sure.

My post was a general observation about the lack of aggression. DeSanto probably took more “bad” shots than other Iowa wrestlers but he was one of my favorite Hawkeye wrestlers because he took chances and had a point scoring mindset.

Agreed. However, we are transitioning into a “defense wins titles” mindset. Some guys are so good offensively it doesn’t matter…but they are in a small group of elite wrestlers. Even being a world champ (Gilman), neither he or Desanto are in that group. I think ADS is starting to figure this out and is being more selective.
 
A truly bad shot, one which allows the opponent to easily capitalize for points, for sure.

My post was a general observation about the lack of aggression. DeSanto probably took more “bad” shots than other Iowa wrestlers but he was one of my favorite Hawkeye wrestlers because he took chances and had a point scoring mindset.
Only a very select few at the DI level can get away with taking "bad" shots once let alone several times in a match. I get that, from a purely fan's perspective, you simply want to be entertained. However, nearly all of these guys are trying to develop a skillset that maximizes their chances to win. They couldn't care less if you are entertained and they SHOULDN'T. Warner was a perfect example. Only guys like Spencer Lee were/are good enough to truly worry about entertaining fans and even then, his overaggressive style cost him at this past NCAA's when he forced a bad position instead of running away to win and move on.

Agreed. However, we are transitioning into a “defense wins titles” mindset. Some guys are so good offensively it doesn’t matter…but they are in a small group of elite wrestlers. Even being a world champ (Gilman), neither he or Desanto are in that group. I think ADS is starting to figure this out and is being more selective.

What IAChief32 said is SPOT ON. You have to have a gas tank like no other and a skill set fully packed with offensive attacks(see David Taylor, Jordan Burroughs or Kyle Snyder) to be able to make up for bad attacks. Even then, you will still run into a Kyle Dake type where you damn well better rein the attacks in or you could end up in very deep waters...
 
Last edited:
Agreed. However, we are transitioning into a “defense wins titles” mindset. Some guys are so good offensively it doesn’t matter…but they are in a small group of elite wrestlers. Even being a world champ (Gilman), neither he or Desanto are in that group. I think ADS is starting to figure this out and is being more selective.
I see ADS being more selective vs American opponents, he still turns the gas on against International competition. Not many have the conditioning to whether his pace.
 
Only a very select few at the DI level can get away with taking "bad" shots once let alone several times in a match. I get that, from a purely fan's perspective, you simply want to be entertained. However, nearly all of these guys are trying to develop a skillset that maximizes their chances to win. They couldn't care less if you are entertained and they SHOULDN'T
I never mentioned entertainment value. My post pertained to “Iowa style” wrestling - aggressive, attacking offense and point scoring. Correct me if I’m wrong but that style, and Gable’s philosophy, won quite a few championships. It’s about winning more than entertainment.

I also understand the importance of skill development - not everyone is Lincoln McIlravy - but I see many more wrestlers failing to take a single shot for a whole period or longer.
 
I never mentioned entertainment value. My post pertained to “Iowa style” wrestling - aggressive, attacking offense and point scoring. Correct me if I’m wrong but that style, and Gable’s philosophy, won quite a few championships. It’s about winning more than entertainment.

I also understand the importance of skill development - not everyone is Lincoln McIlravy - but I see many more wrestlers failing to take a single shot for a whole period or longer.
But, do you understand WHY the part I bolded happens? Do you think it is simply because Iowa is teaching their guys not to attack? Because the truth is, counter offense is exponentially better than it was in the Gable era. Simply attacking more is NOT all of a sudden going to make Iowa win more championships.

Hell, even PSU has been much more defensive across the board over their last 2 championships. The simple truth is positioning is so much better now than ever before. Kids are coming into college with the neutral fundamentals so ingrained that breaking through the head-hands defense is ridiculously hard. Couple that with constantly trained re-attacks and, unless you are pure grease lighting, you just aren't attacking without near perfect set-ups. Mind you, these type of set-ups are few and far between BECAUSE of that head-hands defense.

With all that said, Iowa guys ARE actually successfully attacking quite often against any of their opponents not in the top 8-10 range. Why? Because nearly all their guys are significantly better than their opponents outside that range. Simple common sense comes into play once your opponent is as good as you or better...
 
VERY true. But that wasn't why he lost that match to Cruz. Edge wrestling/inability to scramble. Man that was a depressing moment.
He lost because of a sense of urgency and looked gassed. He had the decent low single shot and hung. Very depressing.

he was never the same after the lizak match. was absolutely terrified of losing after that. suddenly couldn't get off bottom and got turned by lower competition.

he looked petrified of cruz in the semi. he did not want to risk being underneath him and wrestled not to lose.
The interesting thing is he never was underneath Cruz, he rode him out and chose neutral, this part of the plan was accomplished.
A bad shot is more than immediately getting countered for two.
 
But, do you understand WHY the part I bolded happens? Do you think it is simply because Iowa is teaching their guys not to attack? Because the truth is, counter offense is exponentially better than it was in the Gable era. Simply attacking more is NOT all of a sudden going to make Iowa win more championships.

Hell, even PSU has been much more defensive across the board over their last 2 championships. The simple truth is positioning is so much better now than ever before. Kids are coming into college with the neutral fundamentals so ingrained that breaking through the head-hands defense is ridiculously hard. Couple that with constantly trained re-attacks and, unless you are pure grease lighting, you just aren't attacking without near perfect set-ups. Mind you, these type of set-ups are few and far between BECAUSE of that head-hands defense.

With all that said, Iowa guys ARE actually successfully attacking quite often against any of their opponents not in the top 8-10 range. Why? Because nearly all their guys are significantly better than their opponents outside that range. Simple common sense comes into play once your opponent is as good as you or better...
Appreciate your explanation, it makes sense. I never wrestled so I don’t feel qualified to argue technical aspects of the sport.

However, I did take up boxing as a young teenager - somewhat similar sports, timed rounds and a point scoring system. Never had much power so relied on my defense and conditioning.

Yes it was satisfying to land punches when my opponent’s hands came down late in the bout but it wasn’t much of a strategy … I lost as many matches as I won. My coach called it “digging a hole”. Turns out it’s a risky strategy to try to score a flurry of points late to pull out a win. He told me I have to score points in every round. I needed to “open up” earlier - I would like to see more of that.
 
Couldn’t be improved upon or just wasn’t coached up? Game planning opponents (or at least the appearance) has been difficult to spot in IC. Coaches prolly wasting bunches of time prepping for midnight recruiting calls.

Well…that’s just mean.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: vhsalum
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT