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Gilman's thoughts on the Pokes

What is Gilman's motivation here ?

To motivate his own team ? Or to just piss all over Oklahoma State ?

What will Gilman think or say Sunday if any of his Hawkeye teammates get called for stalling themselves ?


(For the record, I'm predicting a 16-15 Iowa win over Okie St and a bonus win for Gilman)
 
I have no problem with it. The kid has balls and calls it like he sees it. If his opponents have a problem with it, they can shut him up. Thomas Gilman is the least of our problems.

What you can't do is talk a big game and whine when someone puts it to you like Ramos did against Dennis at the OT and Stieber at Big Tens. Gilman has always taken his losses like a man.
 
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Azchief32 said:
...just because his name isn't Metcalf or he doesn't have the accomplishments of a Metcalf doesn't mean he shouldn't have that mentality . . .
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Having the mentality is admirable. Expressing it in the media to disrespect an opponent -- not so much.
 
I have always had the belief that its poor psychology to fire up your opponent and give them a reason to be more determined to compete at their highest level against you. I doubt John Smith has any words that could have brought out more fire from his team to win than what Gilman just said. Wrestling at Oky state is hard enough already!
 
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Good30 said:
I have always had the belief that its poor psychology to fire up your opponent and give them a reason to be more determined to compete at their highest level against you. I doubt John Smith has any words that could have brought out more fire from his team to win than what Gilman just said. Wrestling at Oky state is hard enough already!
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I wonder if John Smith posted Gilmans quote right next to an audio recording of 42,000 fans booing his team for stalling and wrestling the edge. The headlines should read "Gilman is the first Hawkeye to expose Ok. State's biggest secret."
 
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If nothing else the on mat officials working the match should be fully aware of stalling tactics.
 
Good30 said:
I have always had the belief that its poor psychology to fire up your opponent and give them a reason to be more determined to compete at their highest level against you. I doubt John Smith has any words that could have brought out more fire from his team to win than what Gilman just said. Wrestling at Oky state is hard enough already!
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If it takes your opponent running his mouth for you to give your best effort, you need to reevaluate your motivations.
 
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My personal opinion is that of all the things we can complain about...............Gilman and what he says isn't one of them.

Gilman appears to be as real as it gets. Intense competitor and intense personality. Calls it like he sees it. No sugar coating it.

What...you don't want someone to take a position he believes in and state it? Everybody act like a sissy and keep their mouth shut all the time? Really???

Seems a bit over the top to say he shouldn't be making statements and acting like a team leader because he only has 3 Midlands Titles and no NCAA Titles. Anybody else on the team that can better that? Anybody? Anybody?

Everybody always say to be yourself. Be Yourself! Gilman does that. He backs up what he says with what he does on the mat. He's just being himself.

Be Yourself ..........unless of course you can be Batman.
And then ALWAYS be Batman.

Now is Gilman really being himself or is he really Batman???
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slushhead said:
Having the mentality is admirable. Expressing it in the media to disrespect an opponent -- not so much.
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I don't see it that way. Gilman is rare commodity in today's society...he says what he means. He's self critical when called for, he has called out his teammates when needed and that's just how he sees Okie State right or wrong. Most importantly...he puts his name to it and he did not go after individuals. For the record, I disagree with Gilman about Okie State...at least this years guys but they do have that don't tie up, do the funk type stuff.

Bet he won't say that about Penn State.

If you were to ask me what the mission of the USAF, I would say it's to put bombs on target and blow things up and to kill the enemy. Pretty savage and an over simplification of what we do (we do a lot of other stuff) but when you ground it down to one or two sentences...that's the mission. Fly, fight, win.
 
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Kwoodhawk said:
My personal opinion is that of all the things we can complain about...............Gilman and what he says isn't one of them.

Gilman appears to be as real as it gets. Intense competitor and intense personality. Calls it like he sees it. No sugar coating it.

What...you don't want someone to take a position he believes in and state it? Everybody act like a sissy and keep their mouth shut all the time? Really???

Seems a bit over the top to say he shouldn't be making statements and acting like a team leader because he only has 3 Midlands Titles and no NCAA Titles. Anybody else on the team that can better that? Anybody? Anybody?

Everybody always say to be yourself. Be Yourself! Gilman does that. He backs up what he says with what he does on the mat. He's just being himself.

Be Yourself ..........unless of course you can be Batman.
And then ALWAYS be Batman.

Now is Gilman really being himself or is he really Batman???
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Be yourself, but do you have to be a dick? How about showing just a little bit of respect to a tough opponent? A team that has outplaced your team at nationals 2 of your 3 years. A team that jumped into the challenge of coming in front of 40,000 Iowa fans outside in Iowa City in November.

Gilman is great, but the team will be much better off once leaders like Spencer Lee and Marinelli take over this team.
 
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crablegs1 said:
Be yourself, but do you have to be a dick? How about showing just a little bit of respect to a tough opponent? A team that has outplaced your team at nationals 2 of your 3 years. A team that jumped into the challenge of coming in front of 40,000 Iowa fans outside in Iowa City in November.

Gilman is great, but the team will be much better off once leaders like Spencer Lee and Marinelli take over this team.
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If we are better when Lee and Bull take over it is because we have a team full of better wrestlers. It will have nothing to do with Gman. Gman is exactly what you want in a wrestler on and off the mat. He lives the lifestyle of a champion. You obviously don't know that the Bull looks up to Gman and how he takes care of business on and off the mat.
 
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Not arguing on whether what he said is right or wrong, my thoughts are this is great.

I see this as Psychological Warfare at its finest. You can talk about the "pinning up locker room material" stuff all you want, but I find it to cause more of a distraction to your team than it does motivation. This board has not stopped talking about Gilman's interview since it was posted, we should hope that Coach Smith has slipped up and is letting the same thing happen in his locker room as well. JoJo Smith, Kaid Brock, and Piccininni sitting around after practice talking more about how much they hate Iowa and hate Thomas Gilman rather than becoming focused on what is ahead of them and what they have to do to beat em.

A team shouldn't need a newspaper or video clipped pinned up on a bulletin board in a locker to give you motivation to go wrestle, especially since its "Iowa vs Okie State"
 
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Why make things more difficult on your own teammates by trash talking. Go out and win the match based on the merits of your talents and hard-work, not on making comments about your opponent and trying to get in their head. Has Gman's talking the past 4 years elevated his teammate's performances? I doubt it, as we haven't been very good at Nationals. I love Gman and I hope like hell he wins a nc this year, but imo he needs to bring it down a touch on the bravado. It's almost like he's trying too hard to be the team leader.
 
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SCstunners said:
A team shouldn't need a newspaper or video clipped pinned up on a bulletin board in a locker to give you motivation to go wrestle, especially since its "Iowa vs Okie State"
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Maybe they shouldn't need it, but that doesn't stop them it from working, on both sides. If a Maryland wrestlers were calling out OSU or Iowa or PSU, it would be a mistake, probably put his guys in a bad situation. A top guy on a top team calling out another top team, probably serves as an opportunity to get both teams fired up, then it just depends on how each team best uses that opportunity to their advantage.

Gman has never lost to OSU and he states that (even when they were ranked ahead of us), I would hope this gives him confidence and that confidence rubs off on his team mates.I would also like to point out that in a subsequent interview on FLO, he also gives praise to the OSU program.

For the record IMO, if you can back it up and you are not saying inappropriate things, I am all for it. On the flip side, I am not so keen on showing disrespect for your opponent on the mat, the after the whistle or out of bounds bs, Evans was big on this and I sometimes see it from Brooks (standing in the way not giving his opponent the space needed to get in down position) and some face mushing from Gilman. You want to show that you have no respect for a guy on the mat, Pin him.
 
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Right now we need an alligator mouth mentality leader. Screw the canary mouth. Some of our wrestlers need a boost. Being too passive isn't cutting it for us. The G-Man is arguably the best wrestler on the team. He needs to motivate some of our slow starters. Plus, why do we give a crap if OSU doesn't like it!!!!!! Peps up to the G-man.
 
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If being a NC is a requirement to be a vocal leader, then we wouldn't have one on this team.
 
I am assuming anyone bothered by what Gilman said sure in hell did not vote for Trump. Wasn't like he was calling okie state rapists or making fun of their disabled reporter or wanting to take a golden shower on Okies small mat. Is this board getting soft?
 
on this thread about respect 2 people used the word gamos and nobody said anything about the disrespect of that on many levels.
 
2plus2 said:
I am assuming anyone bothered by what Gilman said sure in hell did not vote for Trump. Wasn't like he was calling okie state rapists or making fun of their disabled reporter or wanting to take a golden shower on Okies small mat. Is this board getting soft?
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Great post. If Gilman worked for NBC he'd be fired. I say Gilman for president.
 
Personally I love me some good trash talk. I hope Gilman keeps it up all the way through his national championship. Then after he wins it, he calls out Ramos and every other 57kg guy.
 
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Gobblin said:
I just think it's unnecessary... Nothing more, nothing less. Didn't think my humble opinion would cause such consternation. Hope Thomas sticks him in 30 seconds tonight... Painfully.

Btw, I'm as anti-liberal as they come.

GO HAWKS!!!
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I'm with you Gobblin. But, it's not worth the effort to try to corral Gilman - he just likes to talk crap and I'll bet our coaches give up on it long ago. I suppose, in the long run, anything that makes the Stillwater trip more difficult for us is a good thing. o_O
 
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Gobblin said:
This pry won't be too popular, but I, for one, wish Gilman would shut up and let his wrestling do the talking... His schtick has grown stale. He hasn't accomplished anything that gives him the right to talk as though he's bulletproof. He should shut up and concentrate on winning a NCAA championship, IMHO. I mean, does he need to trash talk his opponents and whole other teams in order to get himself fired up to wrestle?? If he does, he's got his priorities out of whack.
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If you follow UFC some said the exact thing about Connor McGregor and then he KO'd the guy who hadn't been beat in 10 years in 13 seconds. Gilman has talked about this before in interviews about how he loves history and loves the idea of psychological warfare. Having guys like Gilman and Ramos makes Iowa wrestling great. It would be a lot different if Topher Cartons interviews were like Gilmans.
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Not a great comparison given McGregor is a World Champ. As noted, Gilman's biggest claim to fame is as a Midlands Champ.
 
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Don't post frequently on here but always read and I enjoy most of the posters, especially stuff from Azchief and Gobblin and several others. I tend to come down on Gobblin's side in this discussion. First, I have noticed no shortage of people "saying what is on their mind" (especially when protected by internet anonymity) so Gilman's "frankness" doesn't strike me as refreshing. It sometimes seems to me that we live in world where everyone feels compelled to say whatever pops into their brain. A little more old fashioned politeness would be nice sometimes.

Second, it will more of a test of being "telling it like it is" if he tells the media before the PSU meet that he admires the hell out of the way PSU guys go for the kill and wrestle to dominate, not just win, and that he wishes all of his teammates wrestled that way. Otherwise I would say his "honesty" is kinda situational. Go ahead and call me Nancy too, but I grew up with the idea respecting your opponent. That is right up till the time you walk on the mat. Then you disrespect the crap out of him up until the moment when it is time to respectfully shake his hand (his broken, mangled hand dangling loosely from his limp, unconscious body that is).

Love watching Gilman wrestle and wish all Hawks had the same aggressive attitude, but if having the Brands brothers as you coaches doesn't bring that out, I doubt Gilman's little rants will do much good.
 
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crossfacecradle said:
Don't post frequently on here but always read and I enjoy most of the posters, especially stuff from Azchief and Gobblin and several others. I tend to come down on Gobblin's side in this discussion. First, I have noticed no shortage of people "saying what is on their mind" (especially when protected by internet anonymity) so Gilman's "frankness" doesn't strike me as refreshing. It sometimes seems to me that we live in world where everyone feels compelled to say whatever pops into their brain. A little more old fashioned politeness would be nice sometimes.

Second, it will more of a test of being "telling it like it is" if he tells the media before the PSU meet that he admires the hell out of the way PSU guys go for the kill and wrestle to dominate, not just win, and that he wishes all of his teammates wrestled that way. Otherwise I would say his "honesty" is kinda situational. Go ahead and call me Nancy too, but I grew up with the idea respecting your opponent. That is right up till the time you walk on the mat. Then you disrespect the crap out of him up until the moment when it is time to respectfully shake his hand (his broken, mangled hand dangling loosely from his limp, unconscious body that is).

Love watching Gilman wrestle and wish all Hawks had the same aggressive attitude, but if having the Brands brothers as you coaches doesn't bring that out, I doubt Gilman's little rants will do much good.
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I think you live in a different world than most. I think the reason some people like Gilman's attitude is that he speaks his mind, and doesn't just always say the PC thing.
 
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I think the reason this thread took off was because of all people to disagree with Gilman's attitude, it was Gobblin that called him out. Not agreeing or disagreeing with it, just think we'll all surprised.
 
Interesting thread however; all I can say is makes me see more why the majority college students today need the soft place...been so darn spoiled all this PC stuff is to be bs..
 
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Well, that about wraps it up for this thread. Everyone is in agreement that they wanna see Gman win a nc.
 
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