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Who is it?

Currently and potentially?

This is where I really think we’re in trouble. Committees are nice, but you’ve got to have one guy you can count on to get up a good shot attempt.
 
No, getting shots off is the weakest part of his offensive game.

He usually ends up taking really difficult or ridiculously long shots because he can't shake a defender.
He’ll still probably end up being the guy who takes the shot late in the game or if we need a bucket

Pat or Keegan will likely end up as the high scorers on the team though
 
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Who is it?

Currently and potentially?

This is where I really think we’re in trouble. Committees are nice, but you’ve got to have one guy you can count on to get up a good shot attempt.
Perkins, Patrick, Keegan and Ulis all have potential to be good one on one scorers.

Toussaint is too easy to back off of right now.

Rebraca might be able to iso opposing 5 men too.

We haven't seen enough of them to know what they will be yet.

Perkins especially has the potential to be a guy who can create separation with his explosion and strength.
 
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He’ll still probably end up being the guy who takes the shot late in the game or if we need a bucket

Pat or Keegan will likely end up as the high scorers on the team though
God I hope not.

It happened enough times last year for Fran to realize its a bad idea.

If he's open obviously we want him to shoot but off the dribble just about every guard in the conference can smother him and he can't drive off of a screen.
 
God I hope not.
It happened enough times last year for Fran to realize its a bad idea.

If he's open obviously we want him to shoot but off the dribble just about every guard in the conference can smother him and he can't drive off of a screen.
I think he showed a better ability to drive last year and also hitting the pull up mid range. Needs to be a more prominent part of his game though
 
I don't think Keegan is a first option, even if he is there best player. I haven't seen the young guards enough to know what they can do. Same with Rebraca. JBo can make clutch shots and will have guys around him who can handle the ball, and drive and dish. Best offense is going to be guys moving without the ball and JoeT finding them.
 
I don't think Keegan is a first option, even if he is there best player. I haven't seen the young guards enough to know what they can do. Same with Rebraca. JBo can make clutch shots and will have guys around him who can handle the ball, and drive and dish. Best offense is going to be guys moving without the ball and JoeT finding them.
I see JBO relentlessly running off screens and causing the defense to constantly chase him and look for him while trying to make quick decisions about switching….. and getting out of position…..thereby creating for teammates. Much like Gatens and Jok did….
 
Defenses have been smothering Jordan from game 1. Somehow he's managed to make 364 (broke school record in 3 seasons) 3 pointers, shooting .400 from 3, becoming his P5 program's career leader in assists and, I think (cuz I cannot find a specific source) also being his P5 program's most accurate career free throw shooter.

Isn't three point scoring kind of the goddamned raison d'etre of the "shooting" guard?

One of the things about which the fanbase seems most excited is seeing the kind of generational turnover we will see this year. A lot of boys playing entirely new and more important roles on the team.

If Tony P has sufficiently improved his shot (it was ugly looking and he only took 3 3 pointers last season) and can force the defender to guard him instead of sagging 6 feet away like Connor's defender) and ball handling (pretty unsteady last season) he could be the biggest surprise. As others have noted, Tony's athleticism and explosion to the hoop make him a big play threat. Plus, he already is an aggressive and willing defender.
 
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I don't think Keegan is a first option, even if he is there best player. I haven't seen the young guards enough to know what they can do. Same with Rebraca. JBo can make clutch shots and will have guys around him who can handle the ball, and drive and dish. Best offense is going to be guys moving without the ball and JoeT finding them.
Hopefully, we will be a much more balanced offense. With good ball movement we can get some good open looks. We have capable scorers. It creates more problems for the defense to try to stop a balanced offense than it does to try to stop a no. 1 option. We could have a different scoring leader every game.
 
I think the term you are seeking is a gunner.

A gunner? See above and I'm just guessing Jordan was never more than third in shot attempts. Maybe second his sophomore year. After that, Tyler, Luka, Joe W probably all took more shots than Jordan. The .400 career shooting does not indicate a gunner but a shot maker. The career assist leader does not indicate a gunner but a willing and very competent passer.
 
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A gunner? See above and I'm just guessing Jordan was never more than third in shot attempts. Maybe second his sophomore year. After that, Tyler, Luka, Joe W probably all took more shots than Jordan. The .400 career shooting does not indicate a gunner but a shot maker. The career assist leader does not indicate a gunner but a willing and very competent passer.
To add to your points, Jordan has led the team in assists/game each of his 4 full years.
 
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A gunner? See above and I'm just guessing Jordan was never more than third in shot attempts. Maybe second his sophomore year. After that, Tyler, Luka, Joe W probably all took more shots than Jordan. The .400 career shooting does not indicate a gunner but a shot maker. The career assist leader does not indicate a gunner but a willing and very competent passer.

Jordan has been either 2nd or 3rd on the team in shot attempts per game every season. FR 2nd to Jok, SO 2nd to Cook, JR 3rd to Cook/Garza, year he played 10 games 3rd to Garza/Joe W, last season 3rd to Garza/Joe W.

Interestingly, last year was his lowest FGA per game at 8.4. His highest was SO year at 9.8.
 
Perkins is difficult to stay in front of, and I think finishes inside better than our other slashing guards.

Bohannon likely has the ball in his hands if you need a 3, whereas if it is tied I think you go to Keagan or Perkins quite frankly.

A lot of guys you could use depending on which matchup you like and time and score situations. Rebraca you could go inside to and then kick out from there. He could take the Center out to 15 feet and then drive and get fouled.

Patrick could drive and use his length for a runner.

Not a true stud, but a lot of options actually.

Keegan is our best overall player who can make shots from anywhere, just not clear on the dribble drive if he has enough finishing options to be great at that. He might be!
 
Defenses have been smothering Jordan from game 1. Somehow he's managed to make 364 (broke school record in 3 seasons) 3 pointers, shooting .400 from 3, becoming his P5 program's career leader in assists and, I think (cuz I cannot find a specific source) also being his P5 program's most accurate career free throw shooter.

Isn't three point scoring kind of the goddamned raison d'etre of the "shooting" guard?

One of the things about which the fanbase seems most excited is seeing the kind of generational turnover we will see this year. A lot of boys playing entirely new and more important roles on the team.

If Tony P has sufficiently improved his shot (it was ugly looking and he only took 3 3 pointers last season) and can force the defender to guard him instead of sagging 6 feet away like Connor's defender) and ball handling (pretty unsteady last season) he could be the biggest surprise. As others have noted, Tony's athleticism and explosion to the hoop make him a big play threat. Plus, he already is an aggressive and willing defender.
Getting shots off throughout the course of a game isn't the same as getting a good look in end of game situations with the ball in your hands.

No one disputes his ability to knock down open shots but he's not particularly good at getting open shots.

No matter what shots are going to come in the course of a game. Transition, offensive rebounds, and playing along side 4 different terrific scorers who draw double teams will result in open looks eventually.

That doesn't help when you have to create your own separation off the dribble.

The idea that JBO would be the guy trying to create a shot at the end is silly when you have so many other guys who can put the ball on the floor and attempt to get to the rim, pull up or collapse the D.
 
Getting shots off throughout the course of a game isn't the same as getting a good look in end of game situations with the ball in your hands.

No one disputes his ability to knock down open shots but he's not particularly good at getting open shots.

No matter what shots are going to come in the course of a game. Transition, offensive rebounds, and playing along side 4 different terrific scorers who draw double teams will result in open looks eventually.

That doesn't help when you have to create your own separation off the dribble.

The idea that JBO would be the guy trying to create a shot at the end is silly when you have so many other guys who can put the ball on the floor and attempt to get to the rim, pull up or collapse the D.
This is obvious to most, but thanks for stating it.
It's the big difference by which I think most people would try to separate the subset of primarily shooters from the overall category of scorers.

e.g. Keegan can get points on offensive rebounding and put backs, mid-range shooting, deep shooting, drive to the hole in a relatively broad mix. Bohannon gets points primarily by deep shooting and free throws. He is virtually zero threat to get points on driving. So on the spectrum, he is labeled a shooter and Keegan is labeled a scorer.
 
Getting shots off throughout the course of a game isn't the same as getting a good look in end of game situations with the ball in your hands.

No one disputes his ability to knock down open shots but he's not particularly good at getting open shots.

No matter what shots are going to come in the course of a game. Transition, offensive rebounds, and playing along side 4 different terrific scorers who draw double teams will result in open looks eventually.

That doesn't help when you have to create your own separation off the dribble.

The idea that JBO would be the guy trying to create a shot at the end is silly when you have so many other guys who can put the ball on the floor and attempt to get to the rim, pull up or collapse the D.

With the team I think we have on the floor there really should be no reason for Jordan to get doubled in the end of the game situations, at least not often. One of my chief complaints about the limitations on F McC's coaching is poor late game motion. Next year's squad will have more attacking style players on the floor at the same time so that might be much less of a problem. Jordan will not have to bring it up, run the offense and look for a shot in late game situations. This, of course, places some pressure on Joey T or Ahron to be a pretty good point guard that must be guarded in late game situations.

Other than Joe T, and Keegan some last season, we did not have guys moving well late in games, or for stretches of minutes. For example, do you let Joey T get all the way to the basket so you can double team Jordan at 20 feet? You cannot double both without leaving someone wide open, and probably close to the hoop or an open lane to the hoop.

That is actually kind of the basis for my optimism about next season-an Iowa team that we've not seen in a long time. Athletic and attacking.
 
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Jordan has been either 2nd or 3rd on the team in shot attempts per game every season. FR 2nd to Jok, SO 2nd to Cook, JR 3rd to Cook/Garza, year he played 10 games 3rd to Garza/Joe W, last season 3rd to Garza/Joe W.

Interestingly, last year was his lowest FGA per game at 8.4. His highest was SO year at 9.8.

I think he will be taking 10+ in the upcoming season. Smaller part of the overall offense but more shots. The whole squad will be looking for Jordan open behind the three.
 
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