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Well David have you looked at their tournament results? Impressive for sure in some of those years but they aren't Duke now are they? They aren't Michigan State. Or North Carolina. Or Knetucky

What makes you think that they would become those teams in any of the power conferences? If they played in one of the major conferences those true blue blood programs weren't simply going to step to the side. Truth is Gonzaga has been overseeded in many of the NCAA tournaments over the years. They are a fun cinderella story but they get the benefit of being a really great team in a really weak conference where no one punches them in the mouth as would happen in one of the power conferences.
Cinderella story? Gonzaga is long past that point.
2021- going to be a 1 seed
2020 - was going to be a 1 seed
2019 - elite 8
2018 - sweet 16
2017 - national title game
2016 - sweet 16
2015 - elite 8

They were an elite mid major before but over the last 7 years thet have graduated to elite program period. They are landing elite recruits now too and getting high draft picks. This team could play in the pac12 and would win that conference regularly over the last 2 decades.
 
With their offense and IU’s piss poor offense they would dominate them. As well as Wisconsin. Be realistic.
Agree Gonzaga would certainly drop a game or two in the big10 but only to the likes of Michigan, Illinois, OSU, ourselves and maybe rutgers but they could beat everyone else with their C game especially with road games having no fans.
 
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Cinderella story? Gonzaga is long past that point.
2021- going to be a 1 seed
2020 - was going to be a 1 seed
2019 - elite 8
2018 - sweet 16
2017 - national title game
2016 - sweet 16
2015 - elite 8

They were an elite mid major before but over the last 7 years thet have graduated to elite program period. They are landing elite recruits now too and getting high draft picks. This team could play in the pac12 and would win that conference regularly over the last 2 decades.

So many people have the mindset of Gonzaga like it's 2005. The ones dissing this years Gonzaga team are a lost cause. It's clear they haven't watched them at all. They're acting like the 2021 Zags are the 2005 Zags.
 
So many people have the mindset of Gonzaga like it's 2005. The ones dissing this years Gonzaga team are a lost cause. It's clear they haven't watched them at all. They're acting like the 2021 Zags are the 2005 Zags.

Exactly. They're as loaded as Duke or Kentucky ever are. That's why I wish they played in a real league and played good teams regularly. As college basketball fans, we're all losing out having to watch them waste their talent beating up on St. Mary's of the Poor.
 
Cinderella story? Gonzaga is long past that point.
2021- going to be a 1 seed
2020 - was going to be a 1 seed
2019 - elite 8
2018 - sweet 16
2017 - national title game
2016 - sweet 16
2015 - elite 8

They were an elite mid major before but over the last 7 years thet have graduated to elite program period. They are landing elite recruits now too and getting high draft picks. This team could play in the pac12 and would win that conference regularly over the last 2 decades.
Honestly, if they wanted, they could be the Notre Dame of the West and join the Pac 12 in basketball, the way Notre Dame joins the ACC. It's not like going from 12 to 13 is going to hurt the Pac 12 when they don't have divisions anyway, and you already have two other major conferences that can't count....... ;)

The issue is two fold, I think. One, Gonzaga probably thinks it wouldn't work logistically (which is an excuse), and two, the Pac 12 doesn't want to be embarrassed by a program that's been more successful than their entire conference combined the last 6-7 years.......(that is actually true, btw.....that's how bad the Pac 12 has been).

Also, their women's program is certainly respectable enough on an annual basis that they could be competitive in the Pac 12 as well.


But really, with all things considered, as an Iowa fan I just have to say..................f*** Gonzaga.
 
This is their tournament history. They have definitely had nice success but who they beat in the tournament isn't exactly murderers row. When they run into the bigger teams from major conferences such as Duke or North Carolina they lose. Just like everyone else. The year they took second? Look at who they beat to get there ...good for them but they didn't come through one of the blue blood programs. If I could promise you that path for Iowa this year wouldn't you jump at the chance to play those types of programs and only meet a blue blood in the national championship game? You know you would.

They are a nice program but there is a myth surrounding them that just isn't true. I think this year they have their most complete team but once again there is very little chance they run the table in any of the major conferences.

 
Exactly. They're as loaded as Duke or Kentucky ever are. That's why I wish they played in a real league and played good teams regularly. As college basketball fans, we're all losing out having to watch them waste their talent beating up on St. Mary's of the Poor.
Most years, it was Gonzaga with St. Mary's always nipping at their heels as the plucky underdog. BYU joining the WCC helped that conference a little bit as they've been competitive for the most part, but that was also right around the time Gonzaga began to elevate as a program.

Most years, yes, the WCC would be considered a low-major conference outside of Gonzaga, and St. Mary's on their good years when they would look like your typical strong mid-major type.

However, this year (2020-2021), the WCC actually has several solid teams, by mid-major comparison.

In fact, I've seen the WCC rank as high as 4th in two current Conference RPI rankings, and that's not just because Gonzaga is that good.......

Several of the teams in that conference are much more competitive this year and even got some decent wins or were right there against other top mid-majors and major conference teams.

San Francisco, who has struggled a bit in conference play, has a win over Virginia. Loyola-Maramont was competitive with Minnesota in their two games. They're tied for 3rd with Pepperdine who has a win over California, and lost by 5 to a solid San Diego State team. St. Mary's, who had a decent start to the season, looks like they were plagued by covid pauses and cancelations.

Even though just Gonzaga and BYU will make the tournament, this has been one of the stronger years all around in recent history for the WCC.
 
Such a tough league :rolleyes:

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zaga and baylor are the two best teams. Either would be the prohibitive favorite to win whatever league they were in. Too bad they didn't get to play earlier this season. Would like to see them square off in indy.

Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be much of an attempt to reschedule that game. I suppose they could meet in the National Championship game, but the chance of them both being there, while good, aren't inevitable.
 
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This is their tournament history. They have definitely had nice success but who they beat in the tournament isn't exactly murderers row. When they run into the bigger teams from major conferences such as Duke or North Carolina they lose. Just like everyone else. The year they took second? Look at who they beat to get there ...good for them but they didn't come through one of the blue blood programs. If I could promise you that path for Iowa this year wouldn't you jump at the chance to play those types of programs and only meet a blue blood in the national championship game? You know you would.

They are a nice program but there is a myth surrounding them that just isn't true. I think this year they have their most complete team but once again there is very little chance they run the table in any of the major conferences.

Who said they would run the table in any major conferences? Of course they wouldn't nobody ever does except 2015 Kentucky. They stomped UNC in a regular season game just last year, does that not count because UNC was bad last year? You can't just keep moving the goal posts on what wins are significant and what ones aren't. They've played and beaten many great teams over the years period and nobody is surprised because they have the track record and talent to do so. They have 4 first round picks in the last 5 years, only an elite handful of programs can claim similar levels of success in the past decade. They crushed UVA this year a team that recently won the national title and regularly wins the ACC. They literally beat the Zion/Barrett/Reddish Duke team in Maui a couple years ago when Duke was #1!
 
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Most years, it was Gonzaga with St. Mary's always nipping at their heels as the plucky underdog. BYU joining the WCC helped that conference a little bit as they've been competitive for the most part, but that was also right around the time Gonzaga began to elevate as a program.

Most years, yes, the WCC would be considered a low-major conference outside of Gonzaga, and St. Mary's on their good years when they would look like your typical strong mid-major type.

However, this year (2020-2021), the WCC actually has several solid teams, by mid-major comparison.

In fact, I've seen the WCC rank as high as 4th in two current Conference RPI rankings, and that's not just because Gonzaga is that good.......

Several of the teams in that conference are much more competitive this year and even got some decent wins or were right there against other top mid-majors and major conference teams.

San Francisco, who has struggled a bit in conference play, has a win over Virginia. Loyola-Maramont was competitive with Minnesota in their two games. They're tied for 3rd with Pepperdine who has a win over California, and lost by 5 to a solid San Diego State team. St. Mary's, who had a decent start to the season, looks like they were plagued by covid pauses and cancelations.

Even though just Gonzaga and BYU will make the tournament, this has been one of the stronger years all around in recent history for the WCC.

All well and good, but watching USF play last night was ... well, they were more awful than Gonzaga was good. If Gonzaga hadn't taken their foot off the gas they might have won by 70. USF sucks right now, that is certain.
 
Such a tough league :rolleyes:

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For smaller conferences you have to look past the win-loss records.

I don't care much about RPI rankings, but there is some reason why they are the 4th best conference in the country according to two different sources, and that doesn't happen just because of two good teams.
 
All well and good, but watching USF play last night was ... well, they were more awful than Gonzaga was good. If Gonzaga hadn't taken their foot off the gas they might have won by 70. USF sucks right now, that is certain.
You mean St. Mary's.

USF lost to Loyola-Maramont and cost several HROT degenerates some money gambling....... ;)


Although, I do see they played this past Saturday. But yes, they have been very inconsistent in conference play after looking fairly competitive in the non-conference.
 
I must have watched a different game than most of you. Iowa was down between 12-18 points from the 4 min mark of the first half, and never really felt they were going to make a run of any type.
Plus they hadn't "played/practiced" for about 2 weeks or so.
 
We made 3 3's against them, think about that, 3, and lost by 12.

It was but wasn't, they couldn't miss, we couldn't make our 3's and still hung around to the end.

What terrible analysis. They were up 20 well into the second half and dominated the game. Their D is ranked 6th by kenpom and their offense is just as good. Throwing out a bad 3 point night like it was the difference in the game is just unbelievably stupid and completely false.
 
What terrible analysis. They were up 20 well into the second half and dominated the game. Their D is ranked 6th by kenpom and their offense is just as good. Throwing out a bad 3 point night like it was the difference in the game is just unbelievably stupid and completely false.
LOL, their PG couldn't miss he threw it up and it went in, they were up 20 a bit yep and we were still almost within 6 with 2 minutes left while clanging our FTs and bricking our 3's, if we were hitting are shots it would have been a game to the wire, PERIOD. Anything else for me?
 
LOL, their PG couldn't miss he threw it up and it went in, they were up 20 a bit yep and we were still almost within 6 with 2 minutes left while clanging our FTs and bricking our 3's, if we were hitting are shots it would have been a game to the wire, PERIOD. Anything else for me?

So the guy Jordan Bohannon was defending couldn’t miss and was unstoppable? Wow that really proves it was a total fluke result and you’re not at all a complete buffoon who knows nothing about the game.

Your season long defense of Fran at all costs makes more sense every day...
 
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So the guy Jordan Bohannon was defending couldn’t miss and was unstoppable? Wow that really proves it was a total fluke result and you’re not at all a complete buffoon who knows nothing about the game.

Your season long defense of Fran at all costs makes more sense every day...
Oh you don't like Fran still? Find a new team at this point. Good ****ing Lord.
 
LOL, their PG couldn't miss he threw it up and it went in, they were up 20 a bit yep and we were still almost within 6 with 2 minutes left while clanging our FTs and bricking our 3's, if we were hitting are shots it would have been a game to the wire, PERIOD. Anything else for me?
You’re just not even close here. Yes, Suggs shot out of his ass from 3, though almost all of it was in the 1st half. He’s a 1st team all American. Very few teams, with the possible exception of Baylor, have anyone that can stay in front of him. He’s 6-3 and their other starting guard is 6-5 who grabbed 18 rebounds. Possibly a reason why Bohannon and CJ couldn’t get any shots off? Again, they dominated us in the tournament a few years ago.
Agree with you Monkey, they would be a great addition like ND to the PAC 12 for bball only.
 
You’re just not even close here. Yes, Suggs shot out of his ass from 3, though almost all of it was in the 1st half. He’s a 1st team all American. Very few teams, with the possible exception of Baylor, have anyone that can stay in front of him. He’s 6-3 and their other starting guard is 6-5 who grabbed 18 rebounds. Possibly a reason why Bohannon and CJ couldn’t get any shots off? Again, they dominated us in the tournament a few years ago.
Agree with you Monkey, they would be a great addition like ND to the PAC 12 for bball only.
Yes they did we had no chance in the tourney that year this team can beat them if they keep working like they have on D and Weezy keeps shooting like this opening up so much. CJ also needs to be close to 100% too but it can happen.
 
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Pretty hilarious reading this thread and seeing the clowns that actually think the Hawks had much of a shot of beating Gonzaga at all. They are an absolute machine with talent off the charts. I saw a mock draft today that has 2 of their guys going in the lottery and a third being taken in the first round. Three first round picks! I don’t know if Tom Emanski makes videos for basketball like he does for baseball, but if they exist half of the posters in this thread need to watch them. What an embarrassment.
 
Pretty hilarious reading this thread and seeing the clowns that actually think the Hawks had much of a shot of beating Gonzaga at all. They are an absolute machine with talent off the charts. I saw a mock draft today that has 2 of their guys going in the lottery and a third being taken in the first round. Three first round picks! I don’t know if Tom Emanski makes videos for basketball like he does for baseball, but if they exist half of the posters in this thread need to watch them. What an embarrassment.
Literally I remember butting heads with people who had the black and gold blinders on...I’m guessing some of it was earlier in this thread.
The Zags are historic level good, and just might run the table....
 
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Literally I remember butting heads with people who had the black and gold blinders on...I’m guessing some of it was earlier in this thread.
The Zags are historic level good, and just might run the table....
They reportedly lead Ohio State for Chet Holmgen, next years top recruit. Guy is rail thin, but 7’1 and has the skills of a point guard, blocks shots like crazy and is deadly from 3. They’re calling him the most unique prospect ever. Will be really fun watching him in that offense.



 
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Literally I remember butting heads with people who had the black and gold blinders on...I’m guessing some of it was earlier in this thread.
The Zags are historic level good, and just might run the table....
Oh they are, don’t worry bout that . No one is touching them this year. They are flat out a machine. A well oiled one at that
 
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I wish Gonzaga played in a real league just to see how good they'd be over the course of a season. Sucks having to watch them play DIII teams.
Their conference may be weak but they're showing up and putting the game on ice early against the rest of the field so far. And they make it look easy. Say what you will about their schedule because it hasn't gotten any harder for them to put up a W against the so called better competition they are facing in the tournament.

I guess we'll see Saturday if the next team in their way will change things but the way it's looking' they are legit.
 
And by the way, the PAC 12 is making a major mistake not incorporating Gonzaga into their league like the ACC did with Notre Dame -- and Gonzaga is a much better get than Notre Dame!

No and it's not even close. Notre Dame is a very prestigious University with a blue blood football program. Gonzaga's academic endowment doesn't move the needle compared to Notre Dame (or any other P5 school, for that matter)

Gonzaga has had a great basketball program over the last 20 years for sure, but that's about it. Their hoops arena holds 8,000 (yeah, I know...Duke. But how many "Dukes" are there?). As for football...which is the money maker in every P5 conference...well, knock yourself out on Google. It doesn't exist.
 
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No and it's not even close. Notre Dame is a very prestigious University with a blue blood football program. Gonzaga's academic endowment doesn't move the needle compared to Notre Dame (or any other P5 school, for that matter)

Gonzaga has had a great basketball program over the last 20 years for sure, but that's about it. Their hoops arena holds 8,000 (yeah, I know...Duke. But how many "Dukes" are there?). As for football...which is the money maker in every P5 conference...well, knock yourself out on Google. It doesn't exist.

Yeah, I meant only for basketball and until Notre Dame REALLY joins the ACC in all athletic sports, they're still an independent.

So, let me clarify: If the B10 was going to "loan" a basketball seat to a non-B10 school (rather than incorporate all of their athletics), I'd go with Gonzaga over Notre Dame.
 
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Yeah, I meant only for basketball and until Notre Dame REALLY joins the ACC in all athletic sports, they're still an independent.

So, let me clarify: If the B10 was going to "loan" a basketball seat to a non-B10 school (rather than incorporate all of their athletics), I'd go with Gonzaga over Notre Dame.
Notre Dame is already a member of the Big Ten conference, if you haven't realized.



In hockey, that is.
 
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