Grades

[Azchief32]

125-Close match against a tough opponent. Suriano not close but Thomas coasted and didn't shoot as much as he should have in the second. B

133-A

141-This should have been a victory, didn't pace himself and crashed at the end. C

149-Great match and confidence builder if there is such a thing after a loss. Before, Zain was unbeatable. Sorensen showed that he is not. Sorensen showed more offense from the feet but mental lapse cost him. A

157-Nolf is just a killer and Kemdawg did all he could not to get majored. Has to hit the corners on him. BTW...Nolf face mushed but I am sure since he is PSU, he was just ensuring a safe break after the whistle. C

165-At first, I thought Gunther was going to get owned but he stayed with him and gave him a tough match. Cenzo was backing up and done by the end of it. B

174-What can I say? Alex Meyer wrestled a smart, tactical match. This is what he is capable of. His equation to victory is keep the score low in the first period, don't let guys in on his legs and take it to them in the second and third without having to wrestle back from a deficit. I also think Hall was suffering from the same thing Kemerer did in his first big match in Carver although one would think Hall has been in enough of these situations. A+

184-Has Brooks watched tape on this guy? F

197-I really liked Wilcke's effort. Yea he lost but he lost to a seasoned AA type. B

HWY-Tough duty but he gave up the TF...somebody hasn't been hitting the cardio. F

I still don't feel bad necessarily after this one except for Brooks match. I still think Brooks can hang with him but has to keep his head on a swivel and either commit or start from scratch on shots because Bo can pin from anywhere in those positions. I loved Sorensen's effort...I never would have thought I would say this but he can beat this guy.

 

[SCstunners]

I loved Sorensen's effort...I never would have thought I would say this but he can beat this guy.

When was the last time Zain was taken down, let alone two times in a match? Thats an honest question, I can't remember him being taken down.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Chief trying to take my job again

 

[1stplacehawk]

When was the last time Zain was taken down, let alone two times in a match? Thats an honest question, I can't remember him being taken down.

He was taken down by Pat Lugo at NCAAs last year.

 

[pumpdog20]

125: B-, man Suriano is strong. but Gilman needs to set the pace better. Took one shot and got a TD. Score indicative of not backing up the talk. I'm a fan of it, but got to pull the trigger.

133: A-, dude was 1-7 coming in. Nothing to go off of here, other than he didn't get the fall

141: F, got broken in CHA against a very winnable opponent. Gave up 3 or 4 TDs in the 3rd.

149: A-, move your feet and good things happen. Freaking 2 TDs on that guy, yeah that's progress. The key here is not to be happy with a close loss. Take the win in the next match.

157: C, meh, kept it to a regular decision I guess. Needs to stay lower

165: C, was overmatched earlier, but opportunity was there in the end. Sometimes you just have to take the chance. We need to stop worrying about dual scores and worry about individual matches

174: B+, good win, I'm guessing nerves got to Hall. I don't think he gasses the next they wrestle

184: C, yeah he got stuck, but I don't want to see him go in a shell because of this. He took the risk, next time just keep your head up and come up quicker. I'm not even mad.

197: B-, two undersized 184lbers. Got to take advantage of sudden victory periods when you know you are at a disadvantage in the rideouts.

HWT: D, again, meh. Another undersized Hawk, but went up against a title contender.

Second dual in a row we lost 3-7. And this was possibly our year too.

 

[HoundedHawk]

141-This should have been a victory, didn't pace himself and crashed at the end. C

184-Has Brooks watched tape on this guy? F

Come on, chief. I've been watching wrestling for decades. That spladle came out of Brooks having both legs. It's not worth an F. Fs are reserved for low effort and stalling, or basically giving up.

The F should be with Carton and Holloway. ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE for Carton to give up 4 takedowns. And Holloway just plain and simple gave up. PATHETIC.

It's shocking that two such periods could come from a Brands coached team.

 

[Azchief32]

Come on, chief. I've been watching wrestling for decades. That spladle came out of Brooks having both legs. It's not worth an F. Fs are reserved for low effort and stalling, or basically giving up.

The F should be with Carton and Holloway. ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE for Carton to give up 4 takedowns. And Holloway just plain and simple gave up. PATHETIC.

It's shocking that two such periods could come from a Brands coached team.

A guy who is known for sticking guys in those positions sticks Brooks in that position in :33 secs. Rewatch it...Brooks only got in on one leg (good shot), Bo had his other posted out until he came in for the spladle...thats when Sammy grabbed it but by then, that was all she wrote.

 

[HoundedHawk]

A guy who is known for sticking guys in those positions sticks Brooks in that position in :33 secs. Rewatch it...Brooks only got in on one leg (good shot), Bo had his other posted out until he came in for the spladle...thats when Sammy grabbed it but by then, that was all she wrote.

Well, I haven't seen him stick anyone else with the spladle this year. Sammy shouldn't get an F for getting in on the single leg. That thing came out of nowhere.

And I'm glad you didn't further comment on Carton. He broke . . . and that's an F.

 

[rossel 33]

125 A-
133 A
141 F
149 A- tremendous improvement
157 B- Nolf got to his legs too much, Kemerer able to hang on for
stalemate
165 B kept it within reach
174 A+ Meyer moved his feet, and beats #1 p4p, World Jr Gold
Mr All Everything.
184 F
197 C
Hwt F

watching the close of these two matches was awful:

141 - gave up 3 or 4 TD in 3rd period
hwt - gave up 6 TD in 3rd period

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

125 A-
133 A
141 F
149 A- tremendous improvement
157 B- Nolf got to his legs too much, Kemerer able to hang on for
stalemate
165 B kept it within reach
174 A+ Meyer moved his feet, and beats #1 p4p, World Jr Gold
Mr All Everything.
184 F
197 C
Hwt F

watching the close of these two matches was awful:

141 - gave up 3 or 4 TD in 3rd period
hwt - gave up 6 TD in 3rd period

nailed my thoughts - 'cept 125 = B- (something about a guy that doesn't want to wrestle pisses me off - Sur needed to get his thumbs shoved up his ass)

 

[Azchief32]

That thing came out of nowhere.

They usually do. Third time Sammy has been stuck in around the last 30 matches...all first period pins IIRC. Good thing about him is he seems like the kind of guy who doesn't dwell on it. He came back to beat Dudley in the B1G finals last year so there is that.

As for Carton, he gassed at the end and lost a close match against an even opponent. To call it pathetic and an F isn't too charitable. Sometimes it happens and its the first time I've ever seen Topher gas. Don't know why but it wasn't a lack of effort when you have nothing left.

 

[rossel 33]

They usually do. Third time Sammy has been stuck in around the last 30 matches...all first period pins IIRC. Good thing about him is he seems like the kind of guy who doesn't dwell on it. He came back to beat Dudley in the B1G finals last year so there is that.

As for Carton, he gassed at the end and lost a close match against an even opponent. To call it pathetic and an F isn't too charitable. Sometimes it happens and its the first time I've ever seen Topher gas. Don't know why but it wasn't a lack of effort when you have nothing left.

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Topher is a 5th year Sr, who started the 3rd with a 3 pt lead and then gave up 4 TD's to lose the match to a guy who's been struggling and in decline (7-6 record going into match). Carrying momentum with 3 consecutive Iowa wins would've been nice. Sorry Chief, I gotta go with an F on that one.

 

[GatorBacon]

nailed my thoughts - 'cept 125 = B- (something about a guy that doesn't want to wrestle pisses me off - Sur needed to get his thumbs shoved up his ass)

Put away your bias. You look like a complete idiot. Your guy took 1 shot.

 

[jvclark]

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Topher is a 5th year Sr, who started the 3rd with a 3 pt lead and then gave up 4 TD's to lose the match to a guy who's been struggling and in decline (7-6 record going into match). Carrying momentum with 3 consecutive Iowa wins would've been nice. Sorry Chief, I gotta go with an F on that one.

How about we grade Topher by periods and average them together, kind of like a trimester situation. 1st period C, 2nd period B and 3rd period F. That is a 1.66 gpa for his match. So I'm giving him a D+

SeriousLy though, I don't think he will will let that happen again. 5th year senior or not, it was a big match on probably his biggest stage ever in his career

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

Put away your bias. You look like a complete idiot. Your guy took 1 shot.

your guy took zero - but just kept thumbing

 

[Azchief32]

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Topher is a 5th year Sr, who started the 3rd with a 3 pt lead and then gave up 4 TD's to lose the match to a guy who's been struggling and in decline (7-6 record going into match). Carrying momentum with 3 consecutive Iowa wins would've been nice. Sorry Chief, I gotta go with an F on that one.

Hey...it's your opinion...as they say in Jersey, whattayagonnado? I will say that Topher may be a 5th year senior but he is a first year starter and hasn't been in many big matches in front of the home crowd.

Unrelated to your post Rossel but I got to looking because Sammy's situation looked familiar and someone mentioned it on the other thread. Attached is the match against Dudley...Sammy goes for his low single, misses and caught up in a front headlock but leaves his left leg up which Dudley promptly cradles and pins him. Start it at the 1:35 mark:



Same thing with Bo...Sammy gets in on the single, head to the inside. At first, Bo looked content to just defend but than saw that left leg come up...from the other angle on the BTN, you could see his eyes get big and go right for it.

http://www.flowrestling.org/video/1...-penn-state-vs-sammy-brooks-iowa#.WIMKRLYrJE5

 

[GatorBacon]

your guy took zero - but just kept thumbing

Suriano is not my guy. That being said, he didn't do anything either.

 

[bphawkeye_Rivals]

Suriano is not my guy. That being said, he didn't do anything either.

8 posts - and you show up to defend him? wow - pretty sure you have something ....

 

[Czech Hawk]

8 posts - and you show up to defend him? wow - pretty sure you have something ....

Don't even bother with this guy. Total Hawkeye hater and keyboard tough guy. Just wants under your skin. He gives trolls a bad name.

 

[madmustang4]

Coaching staff = D.
3-7 in last two outings
No back up heavyweight

 

[artradley]

Come on, chief. I've been watching wrestling for decades. That spladle came out of Brooks having both legs. It's not worth an F. Fs are reserved for low effort and stalling, or basically giving up.

The F should be with Carton and Holloway. ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE for Carton to give up 4 takedowns. And Holloway just plain and simple gave up. PATHETIC.

It's shocking that two such periods could come from a Brands coached team.

After what we've watched the last five years I'm shocked that you're shocked.

 

[texas twister]

125-Close match against a tough opponent. Suriano not close but Thomas coasted and didn't shoot as much as he should have in the second. B

133-A

141-This should have been a victory, didn't pace himself and crashed at the end. C

149-Great match and confidence builder if there is such a thing after a loss. Before, Zain was unbeatable. Sorensen showed that he is not. Sorensen showed more offense from the feet but mental lapse cost him. A

157-Nolf is just a killer and Kemdawg did all he could not to get majored. Has to hit the corners on him. BTW...Nolf face mushed but I am sure since he is PSU, he was just ensuring a safe break after the whistle. C

165-At first, I thought Gunther was going to get owned but he stayed with him and gave him a tough match. Cenzo was backing up and done by the end of it. B

174-What can I say? Alex Meyer wrestled a smart, tactical match. This is what he is capable of. His equation to victory is keep the score low in the first period, don't let guys in on his legs and take it to them in the second and third without having to wrestle back from a deficit. I also think Hall was suffering from the same thing Kemerer did in his first big match in Carver although one would think Hall has been in enough of these situations. A+

184-Has Brooks watched tape on this guy? F

197-I really liked Wilcke's effort. Yea he lost but he lost to a seasoned AA type. B

HWY-Tough duty but he gave up the TF...somebody hasn't been hitting the cardio. F

I still don't feel bad necessarily after this one except for Brooks match. I still think Brooks can hang with him but has to keep his head on a swivel and either commit or start from scratch on shots because Bo can pin from anywhere in those positions. I loved Sorensen's effort...I never would have thought I would say this but he can beat this guy.

I agree with most of this except no grade for 133, the opponent was 1 - 7. Topher gets an F for looking like a rag doll in the 3rd.

The announcers were wrong in Cash's match about cutting him in the last 30 second ride out. Had he not given up the escape, Cash would have won.

 

[wamachie]

Nevill is good but our 285 performance tonight may have been one of the poorest Iowa Wrestling showings in Carver Hawkeye history. Depth is certainly an issue in college wrestling....even at Iowa.

 

[93hawkeye]

Gilman could have converted at least some more takedown attempts if he actually took any.
Clark: I hate to say it but he is favoring his left shoulder.
Carton: Gullibon is too powerful through the thighs and hips=finishing those double legs whenever he wanted to...bad matchup for Carton
Sorenson can beat Zain but only if he wins the takedown battle. I think he can
Kem: passive. I know Nolf is a dynamo, but you're guaranteed to not succeed if you're waiting for the other guy all night
Gunther: kept is close. good effort
Meyer: looked to outweigh Hall by 10-15 pounds and definitely used that to his advantage.
Brooks: he got Nickal'd. No shame in that as long as he learns from it
Wilcke: needs to trust himself. show some good skills against a decent opponent. once W develops more confidence (and goes to 184), he'll be AA caliber
Holloway: physically overmatched.

 

[24 so far]

How about we grade Topher by periods and average them together, kind of like a trimester situation. 1st period C, 2nd period B and 3rd period F. That is a 1.66 gpa for his match. So I'm giving him a D+

SeriousLy though, I don't think he will will let that happen again. 5th year senior or not, it was a big match on probably his biggest stage ever in his career

Carton's defense is very poor and tonight was no exception. It hasn't changed and it isn't going to if it hasn't by now. He lost to a marginal wrestler on his Home mat for the same reasons he's lost most of the matches he loses. His Defense sucks.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Carton's defense is very poor and tonight was no exception. It hasn't changed and it isn't going to if it hasn't by now. He lost to a marginal wrestler on his Home mat for the same reasons he's lost most of the matches he loses. His Defense sucks.

I noticed on two of the takedowns he was trying to hit a neck wrench on 1 and an elevator ala Dylan ness on the other. Can't rely on that against most D1 competition.

 

[Multi-Hawk]

Nevill is good but our 285 performance tonight may have been one of the poorest Iowa Wrestling showings in Carver Hawkeye history. Depth is certainly an issue in college wrestling....even at Iowa.

Agree. That performance was horrific.

 

[HoundedHawk]

Agree. That performance was horrific.

As was Carton's third period. Being taken down 4 times in one period in the exact same manner is inexcusable.

 

[Multi-Hawk]

As was Carton's third period. Being taken down 4 times in one period in the exact same manner is inexcusable.

Yes. Gibbons was calling JG's shots and Carton gave up the same leg every time. I was shocked, as Carton has been strong in third periods.

 

[AFHawk86]

Carton's defense is very poor and tonight was no exception. It hasn't changed and it isn't going to if it hasn't by now. He lost to a marginal wrestler on his Home mat for the same reasons he's lost most of the matches he loses. His Defense sucks.

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense. How many times have we seen wrestlers dive for a leg and hang on to run 20-30 seconds off the clock waiting for a stalemate. Instead, he stood flat footed and got taken down 19 times in the third period.