Grok thinks Musk's posts are BS

[Colonoscopy]

I've done this with a few now. Grok actually does a pretty good job summarizing the essential flaws in a lot of these tweets by Musk.

Here's an example post:



Below is the analysis from Grok. (can scroll down to the conclusion at bottom)

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• Elon Musk's post responds to Senator Mazie Hirono's claim, expanding the debate to allege Democrats misuse various government programs—beyond Social Security and Medicare—to attract and retain undocumented immigrants, including unemployment insurance, student loans, and FEMA funds for luxury hotels.
• This statement ties into the broader U.S. political tension over immigration policy, particularly as the Trump administration, which Musk supports, pushes for stricter measures, contrasting with Democratic approaches criticized in the post.
• The post aligns with ongoing discussions about a potential government shutdown, as Senate Democrats' rejection of a GOP funding plan could impact funding for programs Musk claims are misused, intensifying partisan divides on immigration and federal spending.

How accurate was this posting by Elon Musk

To assess the accuracy of Elon Musk's post on X (dated March 13, 2025, at 00:49 UTC, post ID 1899986174808035355), we need to evaluate the claims he makes about Democrats using various government programs—such as unemployment insurance, disability insurance, tax rebates on nonexistent income, SBA loans, student loans, COVID payments, and FEMA money for luxury hotels—to "attract and retain illegals." Here's a detailed analysis based on the provided context, related posts, web results, and general knowledge:
Elon Musk's Claims
Musk alleges that Democrats are intentionally using a wide range of government programs to attract and retain undocumented immigrants ("illegals"), implying a systemic strategy to misuse taxpayer funds for political gain (e.g., creating a future voter base). The programs mentioned include:

1. Unemployment Insurance
2. Disability Insurance
3. Tax Rebates on Nonexistent Income
4. SBA (Small Business Administration) Loans
5. Student Loans
6. COVID Payments
7. FEMA Money for Luxury Hotels

Analysis of Accuracy
1. General Eligibility for Undocumented Immigrants

• Federal Law Restrictions: Under U.S. federal law, particularly the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act (PRWORA) and the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA), undocumented immigrants are generally ineligible for most federal public benefits, including welfare programs like TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families), SNAP (food stamps), SSI (Supplemental Security Income), and non-emergency Medicaid. There’s a five-year bar for many lawfully present immigrants before they can access certain benefits, and undocumented immigrants are explicitly excluded from most federally funded programs (see web results and).
  
  
  
• Exceptions: Undocumented immigrants can access emergency Medicaid for life-threatening conditions, public education for children (under Plyler v. Doe, 1982), and some limited state-funded programs in certain states. However, these are not federally funded benefits designed to "attract" or "retain" them.

2. Specific Programs Mentioned by Musk

• Unemployment Insurance: Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for federal or state unemployment insurance because they lack legal work authorization, which is required to qualify. Employers are also prohibited from hiring undocumented workers, and any payments would likely be fraudulent or result from identity theft, not a deliberate Democratic policy.
• Disability Insurance (e.g., SSI or SSDI): Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for SSI and face strict restrictions for SSDI. Lawfully present immigrants may qualify after meeting residency and work requirements, but undocumented individuals cannot access these programs legally (see).
  
  
• Tax Rebates on Nonexistent Income: The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) and Child Tax Credit (CTC) are available only to individuals with valid Social Security Numbers (SSNs) and legal work authorization. Undocumented immigrants can file taxes using an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), but they cannot claim EITC or CTC unless they have legal status. Musk’s claim of "tax rebates on nonexistent income" is vague and lacks evidence of a systemic Democratic policy to enable this for undocumented immigrants.
• SBA Loans: The Small Business Administration requires applicants to have legal work authorization and often a valid SSN or ITIN, but undocumented immigrants are generally ineligible for SBA loans unless they have a co-signer with legal status. There’s no evidence of a Democratic policy directing SBA funds to undocumented immigrants to "attract" them.
• Student Loans: Federal student loans (e.g., Direct Loans, Pell Grants) require U.S. citizenship or eligible noncitizen status (e.g., green card holders). Undocumented immigrants cannot access federal student loans but may qualify for state or private loans in some states (e.g., through DACA or state-specific programs). However, this is not a federal program designed to attract or retain them, and Democrats have not broadly advocated for federal student loans for undocumented immigrants.
• COVID Payments: During the COVID-19 pandemic, federal stimulus payments (e.g., Economic Impact Payments) were restricted to U.S. citizens and certain qualifying residents with SSNs. Undocumented immigrants were generally ineligible, though some mixed-status families received payments for citizen children. There’s no evidence of a Democratic policy to use COVID payments to attract or retain undocumented immigrants.
• FEMA Money for Luxury Hotels: FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) provides temporary housing assistance, including hotel stays, during disasters. Undocumented immigrants can access FEMA disaster relief (e.g., housing, food) under certain conditions, as federal law does not bar them from disaster aid (see). However, claims of "luxury hotels" are anecdotal and lack broad evidence. Reports (e.g., during the 2021 migrant surge) suggest some cities used hotels for temporary migrant housing, but this was often funded by state or local governments, not a deliberate federal Democratic strategy to "attract" undocumented immigrants.

3. Context and Political Motivation

• Musk’s post responds to Senator Mazie Hirono’s claim (post ID 1899813474126950418) that he spread a lie about Democrats using Social Security and Medicare for undocumented immigrants. Musk expands this to allege a broader misuse of government programs, aligning with his and the Trump administration’s (via DOGE, Department of Government Efficiency) focus on cutting federal spending and targeting alleged "fraud, waste, and abuse" (see and).
  
  
  
• The claim ties into the Trump administration’s narrative (and Musk’s role in DOGE) of portraying Democratic immigration policies as incentivizing illegal immigration through generous benefits, which critics argue is politically motivated to build support for budget cuts and immigration restrictions.
• However, the web results (e.g.,,) show that undocumented immigrants have limited access to federal benefits due to legal restrictions, and any access to state or emergency programs is not evidence of a deliberate Democratic strategy to "attract and retain" them.

4. Evidence and Credibility

• Lack of Direct Evidence: There’s no credible, widespread evidence in the provided data or public records of Democrats implementing a systemic policy to misuse these programs to attract or retain undocumented immigrants. Musk’s claims appear to be speculative or based on isolated incidents (e.g., FEMA hotel use) rather than a documented pattern.
• Political Bias: The post reflects a partisan narrative, as seen in related posts (e.g.,,) and web results (e.g.,,), where Musk and Trump allies criticize Democrats on immigration and government spending. Critics, including Democrats (e.g., Senator Hirono, Rep. Pallone in), dismiss these claims as implausible or politically motivated.
  
  
  
  
• Fraud and Misuse: While there are instances of fraud or misuse of government programs (e.g., Medicaid fraud mentioned in DOGEai’s post,), these are not specific to undocumented immigrants or orchestrated by Democrats as a strategy. The DOGE initiative (led by Musk) focuses on broad claims of "fraud, waste, and abuse," but external watchdogs question the accuracy and breadth of these claims (see).

5. Government Shutdown Context

• The trending topic about a potential government shutdown () highlights partisan disputes over funding, including immigration-related policies (e.g., DACA, border security). Musk’s post could be seen as amplifying this narrative, suggesting Democrats prioritize funding for undocumented immigrants over American citizens, but this lacks substantiation in policy or law.

Conclusion
Elon Musk’s post is largely inaccurate or unsupported by evidence for the following reasons:

• Undocumented immigrants are legally barred from most federal programs Musk mentions, and there’s no evidence of a Democratic strategy to misuse these programs to "attract and retain" them.
• Specific claims (e.g., tax rebates, SBA loans, student loans for undocumented immigrants) are either false or vastly overstated, as these programs require legal status or work authorization.
• Anecdotal reports (e.g., FEMA hotels) do not constitute a systemic policy and are often state or locally funded, not federally driven by Democrats.

 

[lonestar50]

How long until the Grok feature is removed from Twitter?

 

[Bulldogs1974]

How long until the Grok feature is removed from Twitter?

how long after musk makes Grok seem accurate does he tweek it to spew propaganda?

 

[Obviously Oblivious]

Eloon lied? NO WAI!!!

 

[Joes Place]

Almost like Elno has an internal system to auto-delete materially false claims, but doesn't want to use it...