I agree with you. And I don't like Trump either. Had no plans to vote for him, but after all of this, I might.I'm no Trump fan, but indeed the major TDS outbreak running rampant might be worse than the virus.
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I agree with you. And I don't like Trump either. Had no plans to vote for him, but after all of this, I might.I'm no Trump fan, but indeed the major TDS outbreak running rampant might be worse than the virus.
Exactly, but for some reason there are group of people, and maybe it's because they hate Trump so much? that refuse to really look at the data and the circumstances and take it for what it is. They just want to believe this has all been mismanaged and we are going to have a billion deaths if we go back to normal life.
So the saying that applies to your thought process is similar to that of "if I have to go down in taking you all with me." In other words - if these particular people (You apparently) are at a higher risk and need to take precautions..well shit... let's just make everyone do it too.What seems to be the typical answer (and you even mentioned it) is that each group only needs to protect themselves. There's your flaw, right there. That's exactly why we can't get back to normal. Because you want an environment of, every man for himself. So as someone who is in a higher risk, how do I go back to normal knowing there are people who are not taking precautions that protect me (and I'm healthy, it's my ages that makes me at risk). So what am I supposed to do. I tell you what I do, I stay away from anywhere that I feel isn't right. Now, apply my situation to 50% (just guessing on the % since I'm middle age) of the people (who are my age or have preexisting conditions, or both), and guess what you end up with, a country that can't go back to normal because over 50% are unable to. Stop thinking that you can assign precautions to groups like the groups don't interact.
Dude. Your shtick is tired bro. You and @HawkRCID.Iowa is No. 1 -- as the new COVID-19 hotspot in the entire country. Way to go, Gov. Reynolds. Keep those kids in school. And, hell yes, play football, boys.
Or, you can read this and try to understand why 61 conferences are NOT playing college football and only SIX are. It's not exactly like the Big Ten is alone in this.
Here's the article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...esearchers-say/ss-BB18yRcr?li=BBnbcA0#image=5
If you are at risk, what you are supposed to do is SIP. Sorry but that is how it needs to be.You have it wrong. Below is a response I gave to another poster and it explains why you can't get your normal back. At least it's my view on it.
I'm not asking for a total shutdown. I have a kid on campus. I get there is a higher levels of concern based on criteria. What seems to be the typical answer (and you even mentioned it) is that each group only needs to protect themselves. There's your flaw, right there. That's exactly why we can't get back to normal. Because you want an environment of, every man for himself. So as someone who is in a higher risk, how do I go back to normal knowing there are people who are not taking precautions that protect me (and I'm healthy, it's my ages that makes me at risk). So what am I supposed to do. I tell you what I do, I stay away from anywhere that I feel isn't right. Now, apply my situation to 50% (just guessing on the % since I'm middle age) of the people (who are my age or have preexisting conditions, or both), and guess what you end up with, a country that can't go back to normal because over 50% are unable to. What someone should be doing is figuring out the percentage of people needed in order to get back to somewhat normal, then make decisions that will allow that percentage to feel ok with going back. Until that happens you're going to have what we currently have. Stop thinking that you can assign precautions to groups like the groups don't interact.
So the saying that applies to your thought process is similar to that of "if I have to go down in taking you all with me." In other words - if these particular people (You apparently) are at a higher risk and need to take precautions..well shit... let's just make everyone do it too.
The whole "a few people ruined it for everybody" kind of deal. Dumb.
I'm sorry this Coronavirus thing exploded at the time you're in a higher-risk category. If you choose not to go back to normal, then don't. Wait for the vaccine..until then "stay away from anywhere that doesn't feel right" if you're that extreme. Or continue to wear face protection, or only engage with people in smaller crowds to minimize your risk level. I don't care what you do.
You should be able to do what you want to do based off your level of comfort. I should have the same freedom. Now, outside of this board I don't put up a fuss or disobey mask ordinances but it's very disappointing.
Influenza, which spreads through air particles obviously, was in existence before this and sickens up to 45 million people annually (and yes, I know the flu doesn't kill at a percentage quite as high as they say this virus does). Now, most people get the vax but a lot of people do not and there's no telling if the person you sit next to or in front of at Kinnick got the vax or has the flu. Were you living in fear 1 year ago? 8 months ago?
If you are at risk, what you are supposed to do is SIP. Sorry but that is how it needs to be.
Because youre personally at risk does not mean, even for a second, that you need to exclude what everyone else is able to do. For example, if you were receiving chemotherapy right now, and that puts you at risk from about any illness, do you call everyone you know and tell them to stay home so you can go to the grocery store? I realize that this sentiment is somewhat rude and I feel bad about that, I do, but facts don’t care about your feelings.
The fact is that those that aren’t vulnerable might get it. If you are less than 50 and not obese the chance of dying from this is negligible and we will be that much closer to herd immunity. Unless you were certain there’s a vaccine on the horizon. But we’re not that’s the fact. I personally thought we’d have one by now but we don’t seem too so time to start making other plans.
Age group at highest risk - folks over 60 w/ health issues (65+ is considered elderly). The elderly pop. in this country makes up around 16%. Now let's apply your situation to 50% (choosing to not go back to normal) of your high-risk category and what do we have? Around 8% of the population not getting back to normal.Now, apply my situation to 50% (just guessing on the % since I'm middle age) of the people (who are my age or have preexisting conditions, or both), and guess what you end up with, a country that can't go back to normal because over 50% are unable to.
Well you are making assumptions with that data in a totally biased way. Yes our overall death rate is up higher than the covid death tolls would account for. That does not in any way suggest we are under reporting Covid deaths. Is it possible? Sure. Is it also possible that we are over reporting Covid deaths and the total rise in death rate is accounted for by an increase in suicide, homicide, traffic deaths from an increase in alcoholism, and an increase in obesity from a sedentary lifestyle driven from lockdowns? Sure. Both are possible.you are not addressing the data at all. the best evidence throughout the pandemic that the number of covid death were not over counted is that the increase in the death rate has been greater than the number of covid deaths. this is solid data. again, our death rate has gone up more than the reported covid deaths and this argues that covid deaths are being under counted and not over counted. sorry, but dont understand your argument or how it would have any bearing on this.
Age group at highest risk - folks over 60 w/ health issues (65+ is considered elderly). The elderly pop. in this country makes up around 16%. Now let's apply your situation to 50% (choosing to not go back to normal) of your high-risk category and what do we have? Around 8% of the population not getting back to normal.
Very correct. The fear mongering will not stop until early November.Lol more fear mongering when it’s completely unwarranted. But you do you.
I'm 36 and married.You might not know it because of your age but there's a lot of people on medication for all kinds of medical conditions. Those people might consider themselves at risk because of it. There's a lot of over weight people around, they're at risk.
I'm guessing you're young and single.
I'm 36 and married.
And I just don't understand your thought process. It's not my God damn problem if someone is overweight and more at risk of additional issues in this world.
Fix your shit and do what you need to do to survive. If you are overweight, make fewer trips to Burger King and hit the treadmill. If you have clogged arteries and high blood pressure, cut out the salt.
If you don't want to get shot by a police officer, maybe consider not fighting and shooting them with a taser. Take some f**king responsibility for yourself. It's on you.
Where did you get this??Let me see if I understand you correctly. It's not your fault that people have preexisting conditions, so they should not be allowed to protect themselves?
I live in Michigan and Governor Whitmer did not ban high school football. The Michigan High School Athletic Association made that decision, but you and your fellow trumpbillies choose to blame “that woman from Michigan”.Good grief man, are you just obtuse all the time? Iowa has had 35 deaths per 100,000 people, right in the middle of the country in terms of deaths per 100k people. Michigan and Illinois, which I'm sure you think have done a top-notch job of being more restrictive and locking down (Whitmer in Michigan has banned HS football) have far higher death rates. Michigan at 65 deaths per 100k, and Illinois at 63 deaths per 100k. So tell me again how lockdowns work? They don't.
There is no magic panacea to making the virus go away. Locking down only delays the inevitable. Protect the elderly and those at risk.
Where did you get this??
Actually, that's not at all evidence that COVID deaths are undercounted. Instead, it's evidence that the deaths caused by the lockdowns are accumulating just as many experts predicted they would way back in March when the totalitarians began exploiting the intelectually defenseless. Delayed medical treatment that the lockdowns banned as "non-essential", coupled with increased deaths due to social ills such as suicide, drug overdose, doestic violence, etc. This is why many researchers are now estimating that the life-years lost to the lockdowns far exceed those lost to COVID.
when analyzing data researchers use the occam's razor principle where the simplest explanation that accounts for the data is most likely to be the correct one. there is a covid pandemic and the number of deaths go up. the simplest explanation is that the increase in deaths is due to covid. of course, you can come up with more complex explanations but without more data your argument is weak. do you have data showing suicides going up or more drug overdoses or more deaths due to domestic violence.
NO they aren't. Every comorbidity that person had is listed on the death certificate. If they had covid it is listed as well. So, say person has pneumonia, respiratory arrest, ARDS, and covid all on the death certificate. Covid can, and will cause all of those, so covid is responsible for the death of that person. All a person has to do is look at the average deaths over the last several years for this time period and you will see there are somewhere around 200k more deaths this year than in years past. Not hard to tell what is responsible for that, and it shows that, if anything, covid deaths are under reported.No, but it means he didn't die of high blood pressure, which is the proper way to use the analogy. This alleged report (which I haven't seen and don't vouch for) apparently says people who die of cancer, for instance, are listed as dying from Covid-19 if they test positive for it.
Bullshit. You can live with stage 4 cancer, CHF, and diabetes for years and not die. Get Covid and it magnifies all your other problems, so technically Covid did cause death, as the person would still be able to live if they didn't catch Covid. This really isn't hard to understand. Go look at the average deaths for the last few years during this time period and you will see they're about 200k more deaths for this time period. What do you think is responsible for that?Let's say PersonX has been dealing with Stage 4 Cancer, CHF, and Diabetes. Then PersonX passes away and it's discovered he/she had Covid-19.
What did PersonX die from? NOT COVID-19.
Check post #57 - it is a clearer example of what I was getting at.Bullshit. You can live with stage 4 cancer, CHF, and diabetes for years and not die. Get Covid and it magnifies all your other problems, so technically Covid did cause death, as the person would still be able to live if they didn't catch Covid. This really isn't hard to understand. Go look at the average deaths for the last few years during this time period and you will see they're about 200k more deaths for this time period. What do you think is responsible for that?
As I told you you can feel plenty safe, along with everyone else getting their normal back, if you just shelter in place.I'll give it to you plain and simple. Until enough is done to make the majority of the people feel safe, you're just not going to get your normal back.
Then maybe people need to start losing weight. It’s possible if you want it bad enough. But it does take work....Literally 40% of the US population is at risk because of weight alone. Willing to bet many more have high blood pressure, diabetes etc.
There is not going to be back to normal when over 50% of the population is at risk...
some of ya all act like it’s 1-2% that need to SIP
Because the virus peaked in New York and New Jersey first, when we knew nothing about the virus. Texas and Florida weren’t hit until months later, allowing them to gain valuable information and data about how to treat the virus and how best to limit its spread.
America was VERY lucky that Florida, AZ, Texas, etc did not explode in new cases when NY & NJ did. There would hundreds of thousands more dead... The treatments now, mainly remdesirvir and cortiosteroid, saved the US from looking much, much worse than we do already....and that is bad on the world stage.
That fear is preposterous in light of the new data from the CDC last week. 90% of the "exploded cases" would be a symptomatic or false positives. Most of the rest would have mild rather than acute symptoms. Elevated temperature for 24-72 hours. Only 6% of the exploded population would die of Covid, the other 94% would die with Covid, and 2.6 other comorbidities (e.g. not from Covid). 80% of the deaths would be among the 65+ demo, already afflicted with severe immune deficiency or near end state respiratory illnesses.
How dare you talk about personal responsibility and a lifetime of bad choices causing problems down the road.Then maybe people need to start losing weight. It’s possible if you want it bad enough. But it does take work....
Sure and I wouldn’t argue with that point. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s the reality of the situation. You’re not magically going back to normal when half the country is at risk.Then maybe people need to start losing weight. It’s possible if you want it bad enough. But it does take work....
wow, you are spreading complete misinformation at this point.That fear is preposterous in light of the new data from the CDC last week. 90% of the "exploded cases" would be a symptomatic or false positives. Most of the rest would have mild rather than acute symptoms. Elevated temperature for 24-72 hours. Only 6% of the exploded population would die of Covid, the other 94% would die with Covid, and 2.6 other comorbidities (e.g. not from Covid). 80% of the deaths would be among the 65+ demo, already afflicted with severe immune deficiency or near end state respiratory illnesses.
I have not looked at the website to confirm his numbers, but are you saying Deplorable Sleeping Dog is making up the statistics that he is including in his posts? His information is not accurate?wow, you are spreading complete misinformation at this point.
I live in Michigan and Governor Whitmer did not ban high school football. The Michigan High School Athletic Association made that decision, but you and your fellow trumpbillies choose to blame “that woman from Michigan”.
Sure and I wouldn’t argue with that point. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s the reality of the situation. You’re not magically going back to normal when half the country is at risk.
How dare you talk about personal responsibility and a lifetime of bad choices causing problems down the road.
America was VERY lucky that Florida, AZ, Texas, etc did not explode in new cases when NY & NJ did. There would hundreds of thousands more dead... The treatments now, mainly remdesirvir and cortiosteroid, saved the US from looking much, much worse than we do already....and that is bad on the world stage.
Literally 40% of the US population is at risk because of weight alone. Willing to bet many more have high blood pressure, diabetes etc.
There is not going to be back to normal when over 50% of the population is at risk...
some of ya all act like it’s 1-2% that need to SIP
Saying only 6% die is the right number from the report but the wrong interpretation...I would encourage you to research what the CDC actually said.I have not looked at the website to confirm his numbers, but are you saying Deplorable Sleeping Dog is making up the statistics that he is including in his posts? His information is not accurate?