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Harvard's World Champion Debate team loses....

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Aug 28, 2003
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...to inmates at the maximum-security Eastern New York Correctional Facility!

Months after winning a national title, Harvard's debate team has fallen to a group of New York inmates.
The showdown took place at the Eastern New York Correctional Facility, a maximum-security prison where convicts can take courses taught by faculty from nearby Bard College, and where inmates have formed a popular debate club. Last month, they invited the Ivy League undergraduates and this year's national debate champions over for a friendly competition.
The Harvard debate team also was crowned world champions in 2014. But the inmates are building a reputation of their own. In the two years since they started a debate club, the prisoners have beaten teams from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point and the University of Vermont. The competition with West Point, which is now an annual affair, has grown into a rivalry.


Students on the Harvard team weren't immediately available for comment, but shortly after the loss, they posted a comment on a team Facebook page.

"There are few teams we are prouder of having lost a debate to than the phenomenally intelligent and articulate team we faced this weekend," they wrote. "And we are incredibly thankful to Bard and the Eastern New York Correctional Facility for the work they do and for organizing this event."
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Inmates can earn various degrees through the initiative, which is taught primarily by Bard faculty. About 15 percent of the all-male inmates at the Eastern New York Correctional Facility in Napanoch are enrolled. Graduates of the program have continued their studies at Yale and Columbia universities, Kenner said.


While in prison, they learn without the help of the Internet, relying instead on resources provided by the college.

"They make the most of every opportunity they have," Kenner said.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/artic...s-prestigious-debate-team-loses-to-ny-inmates
 
Cool story - thanks for posting.

I see a movie along the lines of The Great Debaters.
 
Prison inmates are among the most engenius people on the planet - at least when they're locked up.
 
Well they did clearly have the easier side to defend in the debate.

Or perhaps their advantage stems from: "While in prison, they learn without the help of the Internet................."
Is HROT overrated after all?
 
Well they did clearly have the easier side to defend in the debate.

That's not how debates are scored.

The Harvard group did not pre-conceive some of the counter arguments that the inmates would be able to hit them with; when they did not have well-thought-out answers, they stumbled.

Good debaters know what the 'talking points' or arguments the other side will make are going to be, and have prepared responses.
 
I heard that the final topic was New Kirk Ferentz vs Old Kirk Ferentz.

I guess we know which side the inmates got to defend......
 
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