Has Biden made good on his promise of “severe consequences” for Putin regarding Ukraine?

[FAUlty Gator]

Back in January, 2022 he said, “I have made it clear early on to President Putin that if he were to move into Ukraine, that there would be severe consequences.”

Do you feel he’s made good on that promise?

 

[ISUBryceC]

I think he’s done what he could given the circumstances.

 

[Finance85]

Biden has done nothing but slow walk a lot of aid, and prop up the US MIC in the process. If Biden had been serious, he would have stopped the invasion quickly. Ukraine is Biden's version of a red line in the sand. Yeah, those sanctions on rich Russians really did the trick, didn't they? ::roll eyes::

At least Biden has his supporters claiming that trickling out support is a great proxy war and keeping Russia from harming the US by depleting their military.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

I think he’s done what he could given the circumstances.

Yeah but is what he has done, what he was talking about when he made that statement? What consequences has Biden made Putin pay? I would say he fulfilled that promise as much as Trump did his “Mexico will pay for a wall” promise.

 

[Finance85]

I think he’s done what he could given the circumstances.

Well why didn't you say so?

It's no wonder Hunter and the German Shepherds are so out of control - Joe doesn't believe in meaningful consequences.

 

[CRazzle]

 

[Finance85]

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Maybe they all should have talked about securing US borders first. That should be easy, right?!

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Russia hasn't achieved their military goals and seems to have spent every last penny of credibility to get to this point. Their future is bleak as far as international influence and I believe a large part of that is the sustained coalition opposition to Russia's invasion.

In short, if the West stays the course it will work, if for some reason the only superpower in the world decides to switch directions mid stream for some reason and forsake international partnerships for the fantasy of going it alone, then I think things get a whole lot easier for Russia in the future.

 

[Finance85]

Russia hasn't achieved their military goals and seems to have spent every last penny of credibility to get to this point. Their future is bleak as far as international influence and I believe a large part of that is the sustained coalition opposition to Russia's invasion.

In short, if the West stays the course it will work, if for some reason the only superpower in the world decides to switch directions mid stream for some reason and forsake international partnerships for the fantasy of going it alone, then I think things get a whole lot easier for Russia in the future.

How long should we stay the course, and how much additional debt should we incur in the process?

If we keep providing aid, what cuts should be made to our budget to offset the aid?

 

[h-hawk]

The Biden administration has not done enough - it was the UK that took the lead on anti ship missiles, modern tanks and cruise missiles. We have given them 31 of the thousands of Abrams tanks we have in reserve, slow played allowing F16s to be sent (none still officially there) and not yet sent the long range version of HIMARS. It has been 2 years!

 

[Jerome Silberman]

How long should we stay the course, and how much additional debt should we incur in the process?

If we keep providing aid, what cuts should be made to our budget to offset the aid?

All of that is above my pay grade. Probably yours as well, but I doubt you'd admit it.

 

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[noleclone2]

Biden has done nothing but slow walk a lot of aid, and prop up the US MIC in the process. If Biden had been serious, he would have stopped the invasion quickly. Ukraine is Biden's version of a red line in the sand. Yeah, those sanctions on rich Russians really did the trick, didn't they? ::roll eyes::

At least Biden has his supporters claiming that trickling out support is a great proxy war and keeping Russia from harming the US by depleting their military.

So, you are saying instead of rallying with NATO and giving weapons, training, and aid (which BTW you whine about spending money later on in the thread) we should have instead gone to war with Russia directly ....as a better course of action? I am sure that would have gone over great and been fully supported by everyone in the US. Oh, and it would have been super cheap and not at all raised the risk of an all out Nuclear war. Stupid Biden _ I can't believe his administration instead went the other route and got all of this below without costing the US one casualty:

 

[ISUBryceC]

If Biden had been serious, he would have stopped the invasion quickly.

How?

 

[IACub]

How long should we stay the course, and how much additional debt should we incur in the process?

If we keep providing aid, what cuts should be made to our budget to offset the aid?

What is the price tag of another person's freedom? The fact that you even question this shows how Russia has its tentacles so far up the rightwing media's ass that seemingly reasonable people are questioning whether the United States should even stand up and be the good guy anymore.

And if you don't believe that's true, tell me how many times you openly went on a message board and questioned any other conflict the US has been in in the last 20 years.

 

[sober_teacher]

Aside from potentially sending more weapons/equipment faster, unless you’re going to say we should commit US forces to Ukraine I don’t know what else he could do.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

So, you are saying instead of rallying with NATO and giving weapons, training, and aid (which BTW you whine about spending money later on in the thread) we should have instead gone to war with Russia directly ....as a better course of action? I am sure that would have gone over great and been fully supported by everyone in the US. Oh, and it would have been super cheap and not at all raised the risk of an all out Nuclear war. Stupid Biden _ I can't believe his administration instead went the other route and got all of this below without costing the US one casualty:

He's, probably very deliberately, not saying anything. He's just asking questions and planting seeds of doubt. It's all so boring.

 

[Finance85]

All of that is above my pay grade. Probably yours as well, but I doubt you'd admit it.

Yup, I clearly don't make these decisions. That said, I can have an opinion on how tax money is spent, and I'd be in favor of cutting the US military budget to fund aid to Ukraine. If I was in Congress voting on this, I'd want to know what the plans are so this doesn't become indefinite, and Ukraine needs to show they can actually win.

 

[BioHawk]

No he has not. As far as getting Putin to care, nothing short of a direct attack on Putin himself will get Putin to take notice. He just doesn't care about anyone else. It's definitely a "better him than me" approach with him. Of course, a direct attack on Putin would immediately start WWIII, which is why it won't happen. I think the only thing that will pull the US and Russia into direct conflict with each other is if Russia is dumb enough to invade a NATO country. They won't do that though because they know it would immediately end whatever military power they had left. They would actually lose their factories that are producing weapons and ammunition and their existing equipment wouldn't last 5 days against NATO air power. Launching nukes might be the only option available to them.

That said, I really, really hope that the reason we don't know what his response is, or it doesn't seem like there has been one, is because most of our response is classified and we will never know what was actually done. I wish we could find his money and just make it disappear. Bury your money in a Grand Caymon account? Gone. You had money with the Russian Central Bank? Oops, looks like their servers died and they lost everything. That sucks. Ok, maybe that's too Hollywood but something along those lines. You know, IMF shit (that would be Impossible Mission team guy, not international monetary fund guy)

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Yup, I clearly don't make these decisions. That said, I can have an opinion on how tax money is spent, and I'd be in favor of cutting the US military budget to fund aid to Ukraine. If I was in Congress voting on this, I'd want to know what the plans are so this doesn't become indefinite, and Ukraine needs to show they can actually win.

You sure can, but in case you didn't notice, I never asked.

 

[Finance85]

You sure can, but in case you didn't notice, I never asked.

I wasn't aware I needed your permission...

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I wasn't aware I needed your permission...

You certainly don't, and forgive my directness. I just find that route of questioning to be intellectually dishonest and lazy, especially when directed at me(a guy that does an inconsequential job and goes home to his family at the end of the day). Any number of years or dollars given as an answer will be a completely uneducated guess and won't do anything to stop you from asking the same thing to the next person you see that might have a differing opinion with you so...what's the point?

 

[Finance85]

You certainly don't, and forgive my directness. I just find that route of questioning to be intellectually dishonest and lazy, especially when directed at me(a guy that does an inconsequential job and goes home to his family at the end of the day). Any number of years or dollars given as an answer will be a completely uneducated guess and won't do anything to stop you from asking the same thing to the next person you see that might have a differing opinion with you so...what's the point?

Since you decided there's no point in having the conversation, I'd suggest the most practical thing for you is to not answer my posts. The best action is probably just block me. I won't care.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Since you decided there's no point in having the conversation, I'd suggest the most practical thing for you is to not answer my posts. The best action is probably just block me. I won't care.

I didn't decide there was no point in having a conversation, I said it was my opinion that the specific questions being asked by you of me, weren't serious. Or, at least aren't expected to be answered with any degree of accuracy(which would probably require clairvoyance). It is those questions that I struggle to see a point in asking. Not the overall discussion about what is the best course of action.

 

[Finance85]

I didn't decide there was no point in having a conversation, I said it was my opinion that the specific questions being asked by you of me, weren't serious. Or, at least aren't expected to be answered with any degree of accuracy(which would probably require clairvoyance). It is those questions that I struggle to see a point in asking. Not the overall discussion about what is the best course of action.

Thanks for clarifying. I asked those questions in response to your post, which was pretty general. In any event, I guess it's better not to speculate. If I was voting to give away tax payer money, I'd want to follow the law and reduce spending elsewhere before adding new spending. I'd also want some accountability and a quiet deadline on when it's going to end.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Thanks for clarifying. I asked those questions in response to your post, which was pretty general. In any event, I guess it's better not to speculate. If I was voting to give away tax payer money, I'd want to follow the law and reduce spending elsewhere before adding new spending. I'd also want some accountability and a quiet deadline on when it's going to end.

That's reasonable. I don't think expecting a deadline is realistic at all, but wanting one makes some sense.

At the end of the day, the US providing arms and supplies for war to another nation is just more of what the nation has done(very effectively) since WW1. It's not a judgment of what I would consider right or wrong, just a sober appraisal of what secured and has maintained sole super-power status in the world.

 

[ISUBryceC]

Yeah but is what he has done, what he was talking about when he made that statement? What consequences has Biden made Putin pay? I would say he fulfilled that promise as much as Trump did his “Mexico will pay for a wall” promise.

Russia is over 400k casualties, his economy is in shambles and his army has been exposed and the amount of material destroyed is crippling.

Europe has also been united against him as well.

 

[Tom Paris]

Some days I really can’t deal with Republican stupidity. Today is one of those days. No matter what Biden does on any situation is the wrong decision. Effing hacks.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

Some days I really can’t deal with Republican stupidity. Today is one of those days. No matter what Biden does on any situation is the wrong decision. Effing hacks.

What are you talking about now? Did you read the OP? Did you read the prediction/ promise he made in regards to Russia? Did you see the question marks? Did you vote in the poll?

Tell us, has Biden made Putin feel the consequences for invading Ukraine? I won’t even argue if you say he has because he very well could have.

 

[sober_teacher]

What are you talking about now? Did you read the OP? Did you read the prediction/ promise he made in regards to Russia? Did you see the question marks? Did you vote in the poll?

Tell us, has Biden made Putin feel the consequences for invading Ukraine? I won’t even argue if you say he has because he very well could have.

Short of direct military action against Russia, what more could Biden have done?

Considering the actions taken immediately following the invasion, when without the USA spearheading Ukraine aid, I'd argue that the war having already lasted 2 years that Putin has absolutely felt the consequences.

 

[BGHAWK]

I doubt Biden has done everything he said he would or wanted to do, but for those of you who feel Putin and Russia haven't felt one hell of an impact are helpless.

Maybe you should ask trump what he would have done, or better yet ask him what he would do if, God forbid, he would get elected again. For all of you Fox News followers, he's already told you.

The end of NATO and the rise of communism in Europe. That seems to make some of you happy.

 

[Tom Paris]

What are you talking about now? Did you read the OP? Did you read the prediction/ promise he made in regards to Russia? Did you see the question marks? Did you vote in the poll?

Tell us, has Biden made Putin feel the consequences for invading Ukraine? I won’t even argue if you say he has because he very well could have.

It’s like you don’t read the replies in your own trolling thread. The idiocy of board Cons remains astounding. I wasn’t even talking about you. I know you get off trying to piss off the Democrats here. I tend not to overly participate in your “Don’t forget about me, guys.”, threads.

 

[FAUlty Gator]

It’s like you don’t read the replies in your own trolling thread. The idiocy of board Cons remains astounding. I wasn’t even talking about you. I know you get off trying to piss off the Democrats here. I tend not to overly participate in your “Don’t forget about me, guys.”, threads.

I have read every reply and I have no idea WTF you’re talking about. Just about every poster not named Finance is acknowledging that Russia has lost a lot. Who are all of these the cons in this thread that are making you sick with their responses?

And you can eat a big bowl of shit with your “Don’t forget about me” nonsense you keep spewing regards to my threads. Especially since EVERY one of your posts since your existence here has been the exact same thing.

 

[Chishawk1425]

This is a ****ing laughable joke. Why does the GOP work for Putin?

 

[Chishawk1425]

Some days I really can’t deal with Republican stupidity. Today is one of those days. No matter what Biden does on any situation is the wrong decision. Effing hacks.

The GOP is held to ZERO standard and reports to ****ing Putin but Biden!

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Biden assured us his "sanctions" would bring Russia to its knees and the invasion of Ukraine would fail.

The reality is we are going on year 3 and the shelves in Moscow and briming with goods.

 

[Finance85]

That's reasonable. I don't think expecting a deadline is realistic at all, but wanting one makes some sense.

At the end of the day, the US providing arms and supplies for war to another nation is just more of what the nation has done(very effectively) since WW1. It's not a judgment of what I would consider right or wrong, just a sober appraisal of what secured and has maintained sole super-power status in the world.

That's an interesting take. We've pretty much had continuous war since Korea. We provided arms to Syrian rebels, and they ran away, leaving the arms to Syria. We abandoned billions of military equipment in Afghanistan, after providing arms to Afghans who then ran away, leaving the arms to the Taliban. We provide military equipment to Israel, and then tell them they can only use them selectively against enemies who are actively attacking them. We provide military jets to Saudi Arabia, who sends pilots to the US for training, and one of those pilots shoots up a US military base.

If Russia defeats the Ukraine, what will happen to the unused military equipment we provided to Ukraine? What happens to that same equipment now, when Russia wins a battle?

Why do liberals scream about law abiding US citizens having the right to bear arms, but advocate providing actual weapons of war to foreign countries with no accountability?

 

[TonyTheTiger.1865]

All the sanctions have done is condition the Russian economy to operate without the dollar. Their trading partners as well. In the end it may hurt us more than them.

I no longer believe those inflated Russian losses posts we see with regularity on here.
If true why does Russia seem to be getting stronger and Ukraine weaker?

I believe those post are thought by the Ukrainians to be necessary to keep the aid flowing.

I think Biden did what he had to and my main criticism would be that he slow leaked the sanctions out and dampened the effectiveness causing them to fail.

 

[OrlandNole]

Honest, not rhetorical question: What more could the Biden administration do? My understanding is that it's the House Republicans withholding aid, no?

 

[Finance85]

Honest, not rhetorical question: What more could the Biden administration do? My understanding is that it's the House Republicans withholding aid, no?

House Republicans have conditioned Ukraine aid on securing our own border first, and separating aid packages. House Republicans passed a border bill last May, and the Senate and White House have ignored it.