Has HROT/HORT/IAGa(or whatever it was)/HBOT come to a watershed moment in its history?

[THE_DEVIL]

This is a pretty serious and clear cut case of criminality that that "both sides" of HBOT are seemingly starting to coalesce around.

Is the airing of defense secrets a line in the sand that this board either moves forward or descends into mediocrity that it can't come back from? (As opposed to the normal everyday mediocrity that is)

Can HBOT as a group weed out once and for all those who provide nothing substance? Should we?

 

[Bonerfarts]

He didn't do it, and if he did he didn't mean it, and if he did, you didn't understand it, and if you did, it's not a big deal, and if it is, others have done worse.

 

[OrlandNole]

I couldn't tell you. I've got most MAGA and MAGA-adjacent folks on Ignore.

 

[Tenacious E]

This is a pretty serious and clear cut case of criminality that that "both sides" of HBOT are seemingly starting to coalesce around.

Is the airing of defense secrets a line in the sand that this board either moves forward or descends into mediocrity that it can't come back from? (As opposed to the normal everyday mediocrity that is)

Can HBOT as a group weed out once and for all those who provide nothing substance? Should we?

 

[SI_NYC]

If MAGA supporters haven't acknowledged the glaring issues by this point, it's hard to imagine they ever will. They've plunged so far down the rabbit hole that facts and reason have become irrelevant. It's not just a matter of differing opinions; it's a rejection of reality itself. When every scandal, every blatant lie, and every destructive policy is brushed aside or excused, it’s clear that logic has no influence. The deeper they sink, the harder it becomes to reach them, leaving little hope for any meaningful reckoning.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

perfect...that ass

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

This is a pretty serious and clear cut case of criminality that that "both sides" of HBOT are seemingly starting to coalesce around.

Is the airing of defense secrets a line in the sand that this board either moves forward or descends into mediocrity that it can't come back from? (As opposed to the normal everyday mediocrity that is)

Can HBOT as a group weed out once and for all those who provide nothing substance? Should we?

Must wait until @Whiskeydeltadeltatango chimes in before I can answer…if he can admit being wrong, then there is hope…

 

[NorthernHawkeye]

Trump stands by national security adviser Mike Waltz despite disclosing military plans, saying he’s ‘learned a lesson’​

Trump said that even though a journalist from The Atlantic was inadvertently added to a private chat about military plans, his presence had “no impact” on the military strikes in Yemen.

Trump stands by national security adviser Mike Waltz despite disclosing military plans, saying he’s ‘learned a lesson’

Trump said that even though a journalist from The Atlantic was inadvertently added to a private chat about military plans, his presence had “no impact” on the military strikes in Yemen.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

If MAGA supporters haven't acknowledged the glaring issues by this point, it's hard to imagine they ever will. They've plunged so far down the rabbit hole that facts and reason have become irrelevant. It's not just a matter of differing opinions; it's a rejection of reality itself. When every scandal, every blatant lie, and every destructive policy is brushed aside or excused, it’s clear that logic has no influence. The deeper they sink, the harder it becomes to reach them, leaving little hope for any meaningful reckoning.

In other words, they are brain washed and in a cult….

 

[Chishawk1425]

There was no defense of voting for this pos before and there's absolutely none available to defend these criminals, grifters and anti American Fascist trash now. ZERO

 

[RollingBallofButcherKnives]

Trump stands by national security adviser Mike Waltz despite disclosing military plans, saying he’s ‘learned a lesson’​

Trump said that even though a journalist from The Atlantic was inadvertently added to a private chat about military plans, his presence had “no impact” on the military strikes in Yemen.

Trump stands by national security adviser Mike Waltz despite disclosing military plans, saying he’s ‘learned a lesson’

Trump said that even though a journalist from The Atlantic was inadvertently added to a private chat about military plans, his presence had “no impact” on the military strikes in Yemen.

www.nbcnews.com

Of course he does. No impact does not make it ok? Right?

 

[h-hawk]

Tulsi Gabbard refusing to say anything negative about what happened during the televised hearing this morning. Either not enough info or cannot discuss in public. Both are BS excuses for not ticking off trump.
Hey-she's only the Director of National intelligence!

 

[Huey Grey]

Tulsi Gabbard refusing to say anything negative about what happened during the televised hearing this morning. Either not enough info or cannot discuss in public. Both are BS excuses for not ticking off trump.
Hey-she's only the Director of National intelligence!

She's part of it. Her job isn't to protect our national security. Her job is to protect Trump. This hearing has revealed who she really is.

 

[GOHOX69]

Wait, wut? I am so confused right now. Are we talking Trump?

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

There was no defense of voting for this pos before and there's absolutely none available to defend these criminals, grifters and anti American Fascist trash now. ZERO

Don't look now but your entire party is going to jail for........



Don't worry, Jackie Smith has him this time!!

 

[Bonerfarts]

Don't look now but your entire party is going to jail for........



Don't worry, Jackie Smith has him this time!!

"and if it is, others have done worse."

 

[Nole Lou]

What are you proposing?

All Trump MAGA enthusiasts be removed/banned?
All Trump voters be removed/banned?
All conservatives or Republicans be removed/banned?

Is your proposal to make HROT a progressives/Democrats only safe space?

The Democratic party has a historically low 29% approval rate, lower than Trump's approval rate. Is the idea to make sure you are in an echo chamber that excludes 50-70% of the views in the country? How is that productive?

Obviously, I loathe Trump and haven't voted for him, and I oppose plenty of what he has done and support some of what he has done. But I wouldn't vote for Kamala if the election were run back tomorrow. Should I be banned?

There are plenty of Trump (and anti-Trump) shit posters that don't bring a lot to the discourse here, sure. But what is the point of some litmus test of declaring fealty to Democrats to post here? Just so it's a 100% anti-Trump circle jerk, instead of a 85% anti-Trump circle jerk?

 

[Mister Hawkeyes]

What are you proposing?

All Trump MAGA enthusiasts be removed/banned?
All Trump voters be removed/banned?
All conservatives or Republicans be removed/banned?

Is your proposal to make HROT a progressives/Democrats only safe space?

The Democratic party has a historically low 29% approval rate, lower than Trump's approval rate. Is the idea to make sure you are in an echo chamber that excludes 50-70% of the views in the country? How is that productive?

Obviously, I loathe Trump and haven't voted for him, and I oppose plenty of what he has done and support some of what he has done. But I wouldn't vote for Kamala if the election were run back tomorrow. Should I be banned?

There are plenty of Trump (and anti-Trump) shit posters that don't bring a lot to the discourse here, sure. But what is the point of some litmus test of declaring fealty to Democrats to post here? Just so it's a 100% anti-Trump circle jerk, instead of a 85% anti-Trump circle jerk?

You're going way over the top here. I didn't get that kind of message from OP at all.

There are posters on here whose sole intention is to derail any and every political thread they are in. Actually I'm pretty sure those posters are just one poster, but that's besides the point.

OP is saying this mess up by the Trump Administration has both sides pissed off, which I agree with. Sometimes I'll get on the r/conservative Subreddit just to see what the other side is saying about topics you can find on this board and even they are pissed.

I believe OP is asking, could Trump's ineptitude as President be so bad he accidentally unites America again?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

What are you proposing?

All Trump MAGA enthusiasts be removed/banned?
All Trump voters be removed/banned?
All conservatives or Republicans be removed/banned?

Is your proposal to make HROT a progressives/Democrats only safe space?

The Democratic party has a historically low 29% approval rate, lower than Trump's approval rate. Is the idea to make sure you are in an echo chamber that excludes 50-70% of the views in the country? How is that productive?

Obviously, I loathe Trump and haven't voted for him, and I oppose plenty of what he has done and support some of what he has done. But I wouldn't vote for Kamala if the election were run back tomorrow. Should I be banned?

There are plenty of Trump (and anti-Trump) shit posters that don't bring a lot to the discourse here, sure. But what is the point of some litmus test of declaring fealty to Democrats to post here? Just so it's a 100% anti-Trump circle jerk, instead of a 85% anti-Trump circle jerk?

I pretty much proposed none of what you are alluding to. I asked questions, you jumped to conclusions.

 

[Nole Lou]

I pretty much proposed none of what you are alluding to. I asked questions, you jumped to conclusions.

Right, that's why I am asking you? What do you intend by weeding people out?

 

[Nole Lou]

You're going way over the top here. I didn't get that kind of message from OP at all.

There are posters on here whose sole intention is to derail any and every political thread they are in. Actually I'm pretty sure those posters are just one poster, but that's besides the point.

OP is saying this mess up by the Trump Administration has both sides pissed off, which I agree with. Sometimes I'll get on the r/conservative Subreddit just to see what the other side is saying about topics you can find on this board and even they are pissed.

I believe OP is asking, could Trump's ineptitude as President be so bad he accidentally unites America again?

Sure, I'm open to that, but what does this mean?

Can HBOT as a group weed out once and for all those who provide nothing substance? Should we?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Right, that's why I am asking you? What do you intend by weeding people out?

That would be be up to the poster to decide if he/her/him/she/they want to continue to engage with people who are
A. Only posting to troll or
B. Not smart enough know the current situation is wrong and admit.

I am proffering this as a litmus test.

So if a bunch of posters from either side of the spectrum stop interacting the board will wither away. When I originally made the thread there was a building sentiment from “both sides” that the **** up was legit. Then…poof here come the talking points and a it’s back to the same old HBOT BAU. We are well past the 20 year mark as a communication platform, it may have reached the twilight years.