It both. Engaged parents and an ability to be selective lead to higher graduation rates. It's a decent system to complement public education.
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It breaks their narrative. They can’t handle being wrong.
Are you saying I’m playing in a tilted field in my favor bc I went to private school? If so, then why not let someone who otherwise would not have a chance to play on that same field?
I completely agree with what he’s saying except the entrance exam part bc in my area none of the schools have entrance exams. I agree with him and that is why I want to see a kid with less opportunities get a chance to have a leg up. I don’t understand why you don’t get that. I guess bc it breaks your narrative and you can’t handle being wrong.
I agree, but I think wealth is tied to parent involvement in many cases. Some parents that are barely scraping by simply don't have the time, energy, or funds to be actively involved. Also many of those poor parents didn't have a good role model for what parenting is supposed to look like. One of the biggest factors in children's success or failure in school is their parent's education level and value for education itself.
Because private schools don't allow everyone on the field.
That isn’t going to happen. We’ve explained this to you a dozen times. Again, I love how people who aren’t in education think that they know more than those who are. You’re one of these ignorant people. We’re telling you what’s going to happen and how it’s going to NOT POSITIVELY AFFECT kids in poverty and with learning disabilities…but no…you think you know better. You don’t.
I would IF they took every kid who knocked at their door. The fact is, they don’t. Private schools pick and choose and limit their liabilities.
I have ni problems with private schools… just no tax money should be directed their direction . No public tax money whatsoever……unless they become subject to the sane rules as public schools and agree to be operated by folks from the general public, freely elected.
With school choice they will be able to get on the field since finances won’t be the hurdle.
Well, maybe some of these people that think of public school as daycare should be encouraged to send their kids to private school.
Kimmie will certainly undertake an public service initiative to educate all parents as to the benefits of school choice. She'll make sure that all Iowans are given equal access to all educational opportunities./s
Nailed it. Private schools do a fantastic job at graduating kids who are already a step ahead of the rest. They also get to skip over kids who have disabilities, those pesky kids who need support, or those kids who are learning English, and whose hard working parents have 3 jobs in order to fund vouchers for other kids.
No they won't. Private schools won't take students with IEPs.
A better question would be why is the government's role to make access to a private education "easier".
Explain something to me. Liberals are always asking for more money bc they need to have more “resources” which means pay the teachers more. If pay is a big hurdle for better teachers and therefore better results then why are private schools where teachers make less money don’t have state pensions at private schools produce better results?
So the problem kid in a public school decides he wants to go to a private school because it's paid for. The private school now has to take him?
That’s interesting bc at my catholic school we had kids IEPs.
For profit charter schools will fill the gap. Don't worry. Kimmie has a plan that will best serve Iowa's better off students, and get her national prominence. Maybe even the VP slot in 2024.
What type of problem kid? Problem like he’s already kicked out of public school and in alt ed or someone who has a few ISP or OSPs?
I’m not sure the government “needs” to but I’m also not sure the government needs to provide for a lot of things that it does. So we are going to pick and choose where we want to government involved why not this? Or is it bc you’re afraid kids will learn religion?
Any problem. Every problem. Is it the kids choice or the school's choice?
Did the local public school provide the resources needed to educate the student? Did your school have a speech pathologist, a special education department, access to occupational and physical therapy in house?
Listen to the clip in the tweet below.
There might also be something to the belief that some private schools pass along kids because their wealthier parents get cranky if their kid doesn't get top marks. There is a reason Fred Trump sent Donald to a private school.
not all private schools choose their students. So are you opposed to magnate schools too then?
Well public schools can refuse kids who get in too much trouble so that’s not a genuine question
Exactly. And they have entrance exams and pick their students so why aren’t you against them?
This is the stuff that advocates need to plaster on Facebook, and put into small town media.
I have seen no polling to suggest that the majority of Iowans are in favor of this legislation. You have people like Northern who hate Lib teachers and unions, so they are good with it. You have Pinehawk with his self interested narrative based on straw men and misinformation. But, you can't find polls that say the majority of Iowans want their tax dollars diverted from their public schools to private/for profit schools.
Lol - such a clown. Will private schools accept any kid who chooses to go three?
They already do. We had several kids at my school who were asked to leave public school and instead of sending them to alt ed our school gave them a chance and free education. Now the school will get a voucher.
No they can not. They can find an alternate placement for the student, but they must pay tuition and transportation to the alternate program. Public schools can not refuse to educate anyone.
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There is no use arguing with idiots. You won’t change their mind. They won’t change ours. Just sit back and wait and watch what happens with the bill. If it passes, great! If not, nothing changes. No big deal.
There is no use arguing with idiots. You won’t change their mind. They won’t change ours. Just sit back and wait and watch what happens with the bill. If it passes, great! If not, nothing changes. No big deal.
Well that's the debate no matter if anyone likes it or not. My surface opinion would be, why if you're not happy with the current state of play in Iowa public schools why would you want the state expanding it's role in the private sector?
You’re avoiding the point that public schools can ask kids to leave. By and large, yes I think private schools will.
JFC - they have qualifications within the public school system. Like TAG. Or Special Ed fur that matter. It's not to get in the door for a basic education.
Exactly, if the bill really provides choice for everyone then private schools will be facing the same problems public schools do now. But we both know not everyone will have a choice.
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