He who shall not be named

[IAChief32]

No. It's not petty. It's not childish. Also, I am not strong-arming the coaches. That is literally impossible. I'm not sure if you've met TNT, but our opinions have no bearing on their decision making. I'm making a point. I'm making a point based on the words of both Tom and Terry Brands - the heads, the stewards of our program. Based on their public intimations to the fact that they are looking for a certain type of wrestler. Based on their public intimations that those certain type of wrestlers are what will lead us to a championship. Based on the public intimations by top end recruits that we almost lost them because previous teammates lived a lifestyle too similar to PD3. I'm holding them accountable to their words.

I agree...it sends mixed signals. Tom has talked about the type of guys we want in our room and this guy is not it. What are parents of recruits supposed to think?

For those that have brought up past or even current Hawks and their behavior, let me say this: I have no clue what goes on in the personal lives of 40+ guys associated with Iowa wrestling beyond a few twitter posts. They could be choirboys, they could be partiers...who knows. But I do know what goes on in the life of PD3 because he puts it out there for everybody to see, I know how his Dad acts, and they are both very proud of it. How do you change or even contain that mentality? The answer is, even for some of the best leaders....you don't.

I don't think anybody is questioning his wrestling ability...he could win a title if he buckles down and trains hard because he's not as good as he thinks he is. His wrestling is undisciplined, sometimes bad positioning but for all that, he has an innate feel of the mat and his opponent. I have known guys like Pat...been good buddies with a few so I don't doubt Willie's heart comment. His type would be very loyal to his friends but loyal to himself first overall and he cannot understand how his actions affect others nor would he take responsibility of any of it. So if I were to do this, this would be my plan:

1.No Social Media

2. Submit to random drug tests

3. Meet with a substance abuse counselor at least once a month

4. Any alcohol/drug use or incidents, then he's off the team

5. Assign a coach/mentor as a "sponsor." This guy would meet with Pat weekly and be Pat's first call to avoid stupidity.

6.Have Pat volunteer so many hours a week at the Veteran's hospital or the children's hospital. Pat needs to serve something larger than himself.

 

[LBlindHawk]

Kicking two addictions at once with the social media and substances? Good luck!

 

[Wendy79]

FairWeatherHawk, You are full of it. Your crying is pathetic. Quit being a B***H!

This is more than a bit much, TW.

 

[Grip220]

I agree...it sends mixed signals. Tom has talked about the type of guys we want in our room and this guy is not it. What are parents of recruits supposed to think?

For those that have brought up past or even current Hawks and their behavior, let me say this: I have no clue what goes on in the personal lives of 40+ guys associated with Iowa wrestling beyond a few twitter posts. They could be choirboys, they could be partiers...who knows. But I do know what goes on in the life of PD3 because he puts it out there for everybody to see, I know how his Dad acts, and they are both very proud of it. How do you change or even contain that mentality? The answer is, even for some of the best leaders....you don't.

I don't think anybody is questioning his wrestling ability...he could win a title if he buckles down and trains hard because he's not as good as he thinks he is. His wrestling is undisciplined, sometimes bad positioning but for all that, he has an innate feel of the mat and his opponent. I have known guys like Pat...been good buddies with a few so I don't doubt Willie's heart comment. His type would be very loyal to his friends but loyal to himself first overall and he cannot understand how his actions affect others nor would he take responsibility of any of it. So if I were to do this, this would be my plan:

1.No Social Media

2. Submit to random drug tests

3. Meet with a substance abuse counselor at least once a month

4. Any alcohol/drug use or incidents, then he's off the team

5. Assign a coach/mentor as a "sponsor." This guy would meet with Pat weekly and be Pat's first call to avoid stupidity.

6.Have Pat volunteer so many hours a week at the Veteran's hospital or the children's hospital. Pat needs to serve something larger than himself.

So your saying there is a chance Cheif
I actually agree with most what you are saying here and Although he has a much more checkered past then I had known about till just recently he def fills a hole in the lineup and is a talented athlete just not sure risk out weighs reward .

 

[woodsiding]

The insurance industry puts the magic age @ 26. That's when men stop paying high premiums like they are a ball of testosterone. Downey is pretty much there already and still acts like a fool. If there was going to be a big change we would've seen it.

 

[akaoni]

I work in the mental health field and have worked with all kinds of people dealing with all kinds of problems. I try to have empathy with everyone who walks through my door. I've seen plenty of folks who are just like PDIII, just without the athletic talent. I want to have empathy for PDIII, I really do, but I'm having a hard time with his lack of insight and inability to take responsibility for his actions. Especially that revenge video. I have a real hard time getting past that.

 

[dicemen99]

I have known guys like Pat...been good buddies with a few so I don't doubt Willie's heart comment. His type would be very loyal to his friends but loyal to himself first overall and he cannot understand how his actions affect others nor would he take responsibility of any of it.

I couldn't agree with the above more and wish I had typed it. It is also the reason why so often people like and want to help them. And then are blindsided when they get burned.

 

[Rustys Dad]

I guess I will leave the decision down to the coaches if this kid is allowed to join the program. It's not my place to pass judgment on a kid I've never met ... Nor, for me to condone his past behaviors when I think back to my youth and thank God social media did not exist. From what I've read in this thread, sounds like the kid has made some bad choices. And it sounds like Iowa will need to set some strict guidelines if this kid is allowed to wrestle for the Hawks ... Let's see how it plays out ... I surely won't stop rooting for Iowa and throw away my 35+ years of Hawk wrestling fandom simply because a kid on the roster may/may not make some bad choices during his time at Iowa. IF he even joins our roster. Go Hawks!

 

[DayHawk18]

FairWeatherHawk, You are full of it. Your crying is pathetic. Quit being a B***H!

Lol you can support that f*ck all you want, I won't. He's a POS and if TnT can happily bring him in, then I won't be a fan until he's gone. He drinks in season, smokes weed in season, doesn't go to class or practice in season, posts revenge porn, tries to bully/intimidate his teammates, refuses to wrestle if not 100% healthy, and isn't remorseful for a single thing he's done. Yeah this can only end up well!

You know nothing about me but you call me a b***h because I don't like bringing in the biggest cancer in college wrestling history? You're the d**k rider who acts like TnT are perfect and can do no wrong and whatever they say must be right. Well it obviously isn't because we are coming up quick on a decade without a title. Even with Downey, we aren't sniffing top 3 this year.

And to call me a fair weather fan, I outta smack the life out of you.

 

[PinsNpints]

FairWeatherHawk, You are full of it. Your crying is pathetic. Quit being a B***H!

Thanks for your input Pat

 

[pumpdog20]

I just don't see TnT as the miracle workers some of you claim or want them to be. Downey has had good role models in his life before, I don't see TnT offering more than what's been given already.

 

[Inspiteofourselves]

Lol you can support that f*ck all you want, I won't. He's a POS and if TnT can happily bring him in, then I won't be a fan until he's gone. He drinks in season, smokes weed in season, doesn't go to class or practice in season, posts revenge porn, tries to bully/intimidate his teammates, refuses to wrestle if not 100% healthy, and isn't remorseful for a single thing he's done. Yeah this can only end up well!

You know nothing about me but you call me a b***h because I don't like bringing in the biggest cancer in college wrestling history? You're the d**k rider who acts like TnT are perfect and can do no wrong and whatever they say must be right. Well it obviously isn't because we are coming up quick on a decade without a title. Even with Downey, we aren't sniffing top 3 this year.

And to call me a fair weather fan, I outta smack the life out of you.

this guy

 

[Is_there_vodka_in_heaven]

For those claiming they'll stop watching the Hawks and stop donating to the HWC if Downey comes, how does that help the rest of the Hawks such as Kem, Lee, Marinelli, Sorenson, Stoll, or anyone else on the team?

Is it right or fair to these guys to stop watching and supporting just b/c of Downey? Why would you punish the other wrestlers on the team b/c of Downey coming to Iowa?

Like I said, you can continue to support the Hawks and be a fan without liking Downey as a person.

It's a silly/ridiculous strong arm attempt. If you want to criticize Downey and state that you are adamantly against him coming to Iowa, that's completely fine and understandable, but what does threatening to not watch the Hawks do?

 

[vhsalum]

For those claiming they'll stop watching the Hawks and stop donating to the HWC if Downey comes, how does that help the rest of the Hawks such as Kem, Lee, Marinelli, Sorenson, Stoll, or anyone else on the team?

Is it right or fair to these guys to stop watching and supporting just b/c of Downey? Why would you punish the other wrestlers on the team b/c of Downey coming to Iowa?

Like I said, you can continue to support the Hawks and be a fan without liking Downey as a person.

It's a silly/ridiculous strong arm attempt. If you want to criticize Downey and state that you are adamantly against him coming to Iowa, that's completely fine and understandable, but what does threatening to not watch the Hawks do?

Makes me not a hypocrite and allows me to sleep at night.

 

[hawknut]

There is a new person in the room that has some influence. I don't want to give it away, but his initials are MP.

Are you saying MP is the influence in taking PD3, or is the influence in deciding to start proactively looking at the holes we have in our lineup and trying to fill them? I will await your answer before giving my opinion if it is the latter.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

For those claiming they'll stop watching the Hawks and stop donating to the HWC if Downey comes, how does that help the rest of the Hawks such as Kem, Lee, Marinelli, Sorenson, Stoll, or anyone else on the team?

Is it right or fair to these guys to stop watching and supporting just b/c of Downey? Why would you punish the other wrestlers on the team b/c of Downey coming to Iowa?

Like I said, you can continue to support the Hawks and be a fan without liking Downey as a person.

It's a silly/ridiculous strong arm attempt. If you want to criticize Downey and state that you are adamantly against him coming to Iowa, that's completely fine and understandable, but what does threatening to not watch the Hawks do?

So, it's okay to punish them by bringing him in, but not okay to not support the team if he is brought in? Bringing him in might be worse.

BTW, as much fun as I would have if he did go to Iowa, I'm pulling for the "Oh, hell, no." crowd on this one.

 

[Knight563]

Pray that he keeps his nose clean with his last chance. Trust in TnT.

 

[Gusaford]

What do Trump, PDII and PDIII all have in common?

I want each of them to close his Twitter account.

 

[WatWest00]

I was one of the hecklers at the dual last year towards Downey. But he won me over at the Open and the Trials with the way he fought, even though he was way out of shape. Cry about it now, but he's going to make you love him.

 

[ltsimmer]

This is a good example of why biased opinions need to be kept in check. Andrew Long helped PSU win a national title and the result is that character was attacked and defended. And in order to justify said opinions, heels dig in deeper and opinions become truths. This obviously then impacts views of PD3 to Iowa with no quarter and grace given.

My "truth" is that I don't know what was in the minds of all deviant wrestlers when they made mistakes, nor the minds of coaches when they gave second (9th for PD3?) chances. I only hope that they learn from their mistakes and become productive members of society sooner than later. And I believe that the wrestling mat is one of the best places to turn life around. If they never learn, I will say "what a waste" and if they do learn, I will say "way to go Champ!"

 

[BIG10MANIAC]

I was dead-set against PD3 coming to Iowa originally but now I am honestly okay with it. He would be a Great addition at 197 pounds. As far as him causing trouble - I'm not to worried with Tom and Terry Brands at the helm..... If Pat messes up, Tom and Terry will make very short work of his dismissal..

 

[Bkcntry-Hawk]

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Pray that he keeps his nose clean with his last chance. Trust in TnT.

Might have to put some folks on suicide watch after they see the laundry list of Hawkeyes "liking" that post including Spencer Lee..

 

[pumpdog20]

Like I said, if the team (as in the wrestlers, not necessarily only the coaches) is ok with it, then I'm ok with it.

Not that anyone asked me anyways.

 

[Bkcntry-Hawk]

I was dead-set against PD3 coming to Iowa originally but now I am honestly okay with it. He would be a Great addition at 197 pounds. As far as him causing trouble - I'm not to worried with Tom and Terry Brands at the helm..... If Pat messes up, Tom and Terry will make very short work of his dismissal..

Jump on over the fence, my friend. Accepting all comers.

 

[TakedownWins]

Lol you can support that f*ck all you want, I won't. He's a POS and if TnT can happily bring him in, then I won't be a fan until he's gone. He drinks in season, smokes weed in season, doesn't go to class or practice in season, posts revenge porn, tries to bully/intimidate his teammates, refuses to wrestle if not 100% healthy, and isn't remorseful for a single thing he's done. Yeah this can only end up well!

You know nothing about me but you call me a b***h because I don't like bringing in the biggest cancer in college wrestling history? You're the d**k rider who acts like TnT are perfect and can do no wrong and whatever they say must be right. Well it obviously isn't because we are coming up quick on a decade without a title. Even with Downey, we aren't sniffing top 3 this year.

And to call me a fair weather fan, I outta smack the life out of you.

Hey fruity, I'm not an Iowa fan and TnT annoy me. Go plug yourself with a corncob. Have a good afternoon Oh, and the only thing you will be smacking is your partner's behind.

 

[Vallholl]

Good one. These guys just can't get away from the mirror.

BTW, I thought Carly's best work was the Ketchup Song.

Are you serious, Clark? The Ketchup Song? "You're so Vain" is about Warren Beatty (or maybe not- but he certainly thinks it is) and Jagger sings back up!

 

[ih8iast8]

What do Trump, PDII and PDIII all have in common?

I want each of them to close his Twitter account.

Agreed. If PD3 wasn't a twitter-douche, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Are you serious, Clark? The Ketchup Song? "You're so Vain" is about Warren Beatty (or maybe not- but he certainly thinks it is) and Jagger sings back up!

It's about David Geffen.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Hey fruity, I'm not an Iowa fan and TnT annoy me. Go plug yourself with a corncob. Have a good afternoon Oh, and the only thing you will be smacking is your partner's behind.

TakedownLoses apparently. 2 random homophobic slurs to someone you don't know, but has a different viewpoint than you? Please just go away bruh.

 

[funnyfletcher]

His top 3 schools are Iowa, NDSU and Rutgers. He hasn't commited according to twitter

 

[pablow]

His top 3 schools are Iowa, NDSU and Rutgers. He hasn't commited according to twitter

We're doomed.

 

[MSU158]

I thought he was too far behind in credits to graduate from ISU in time to be eligible somewhere else. Do we at least know now if he has that part taken care of?

 

[pablow]

I thought he was too far behind in credits to graduate from ISU in time to be eligible somewhere else. Do we at least know now if he has that part taken care of?

ISU gave him an honorary degree.

 

[Hawkerr]

I'm from Ames and I work for the city of Ames. I've met him a couple times. Everyone has their own opinion but I wouldn't trust him as far as I could pick his childish ass up and throw him. That's my opinion.

 

[IAChief32]

I thought he was too far behind in credits to graduate from ISU in time to be eligible somewhere else. Do we at least know now if he has that part taken care of?

According to him, he would finish off at ISU this semester and transfer to Iowa. So...he has to get the grades done and keep his nose clean until December. If it does happen, he will only be in a Hawk singlet for a couple of duals, B1Gs and NCAAs.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Maybe it's all just TNT brilliant plan to light a fire under Wicke and Holloway?

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Do you guys have a good rib doctor on staff?

 

[StParis]

Is PDII a member here yet?

 

[LBlindHawk]

Is PDII a member here yet?

Not that we've seen.

 

[pawrestlersintn]

Not that we've seen.

You know that mug's lurking, just waiting for something to set him off.