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Here is what is being floated as the legality of The Great Biden Humanitarian Educational Aid Act

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Higher Education Relief Opportunities for Students Act of 2003 - Authorizes the Secretary of Education to waive or modify any requirement or regulation applicable to the student financial assistance programs under title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 as deemed necessary with respect to an affected individual who: (1) is serving on active duty during a war or other military operation or national emergency; (2) is performing qualifying National Guard duty during a war, operation, or emergency; (3) resides or is employed in an area that is declared a disaster area by any Federal, State, or local official in connection with a national emergency; or (4) suffered direct economic hardship as a direct result of a war or other military operation or national emergency.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/1412

Trump declares coronavirus national emergency,

Biden:CONTINUATION OF THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY CONCERNING THE CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 (COVID-19) PANDEMIC

By the way it was a repub bill- Cosponsors: H.R.1412 — 108th Congress (2003-2004)
 
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Blatant executive over reach. Bypass Congress who’s supposed to have the power of the purse and very few give a F.

Republicans bitch about fairness when the real issue is passing this by EO using extremely flimsy justification. So much for checks and balances. So much for the constitution.

It isn’t so much WHAT was enacted it’s HOW it was enacted…and it SHOULD concern everyone. But obviously it doesn’t.

Team blue and team red are paramount.

Just amazed this doesn’t really come up at a time when “democracy is in peril”. The President just committed what…$500B by executive fiat?

This is a very dangerous precedent.
 
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Anybody remember when another President circumvented Congress to obtain funding for his wall? I do…

Pretty good read…

Trump Looking to Divert $6.1 Billion From Military to Build Wall

Conservatives would have busted a blood vessel if Obama tried to do this, even if it was for a wall... SIAP, did a search on Shanahan... As an aside, I imagine the "narcotics" funding is Coast Guard in the war on drugs. So, more drug trafficking will shift to the ocean as Trump is building a...
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binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
Blatant executive over reach. Bypass Congress who’s supposed to have the power of the purse and very few give a F.

Democracy is indeed in peril and we’re F’d.

Republicans bitch about fairness when the real issue is passing this by EO using extremely flimsy justification. So much for checks and balances. So much for the constitution.

It isn’t so much WHAT was enacted it’s HOW it was enacted…and it SHOULD concern everyone. But obviously it doesn’t.

Team blue and team red are paramount.

Just amazed this doesn’t really come up at a time when “democracy is in peril”. The President just committed what…$500B by executive fiat?

This is a very dangerous precedent.

We’re a country of morons…we’ll get what we deserve.
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You speak the truth.

This undermines the core of democracy and the checks and balances. It's not ok for any president to do this.
 
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I’d say the question is going to be does (4) require a showing of “direct economic hardship” on a case-by-case basis? Maybe that’s addressed elsewhere in the Act. Sure seems like one could make that argument.

Also, if the Administration is relying on economic hardship due to a national emergency, what is the basis for imposing arbitrary income limits?
 
Certainly not the spirit of the law, which in 2k3 were things more like hurricanes and terrorist attacks.

When we put irresponsible people in office, they will abuse these poorly written laws though. We deserve this, but it's terribly irresponsible economically.
 
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Wait...

So the government forcing you to close down your business, then provides you with a way to compensate your employees and IF you followed the rules that loan was forgiven is somehow now comparable to a loan you voluntarily took out on your own.

You people are got damn geniuses.
 
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binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
Blatant executive over reach. Bypass Congress who’s supposed to have the power of the purse and very few give a F.

Republicans bitch about fairness when the real issue is passing this by EO using extremely flimsy justification. So much for checks and balances. So much for the constitution.

It isn’t so much WHAT was enacted it’s HOW it was enacted…and it SHOULD concern everyone. But obviously it doesn’t.

Team blue and team red are paramount.

Just amazed this doesn’t really come up at a time when “democracy is in peril”. The President just committed what…$500B by executive fiat?

This is a very dangerous precedent.
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Why do all these folks cry about the need to "save democracy" when they clamor for one person to rule by edict instead of following the democratic process set out in the Constitution? These hypocrites have pretty much forsaken democracy by doing this.
 
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SA_Hawk said:
Maybe I missed it but is this only a one time giveaway or is it $10,000 every year and every new borrower until the end of time?
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One time, and it will only cost between 400 billion and 600 billion, and only add 0.2% to 0.3% to the overall inflation rate, per a former Obama advisor.
 
dandh said:
Why do all these folks cry about the need to "save democracy" when they clamor for one person to rule by edict instead of following the democratic process set out in the Constitution? These hypocrites have pretty much forsaken democracy by doing this.
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Truth of it is....90% of the public doesn't give a crap about something like this as long as their side gets what it wants. That's a troubling state of affairs...and it's bipartisan.
 
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If it happens and you qualify for it, but don’t like it then you can always contribute that $10k-$20k back to the government or some other cause.
 
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binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
Truth of it is....90% of the public doesn't give a crap about something like this as long as their side gets what it wants. That's a troubling state of affairs...and it's bipartisan.
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Yes, you are right.

I try really hard to look at all sides of any issue and the justifications here are a bit silly. As they are for excusing PPP largess or bailouts for farmers, etc etc (to your point)
 
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One time, and it will only cost between 400 billion and 600 billion, and only add 0.2% to 0.3% to the overall inflation rate, per a former Obama advisor.
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Why only one time?,.. I mean if this is such a great idea more would be better right?
 
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One time, and it will only cost between 400 billion and 600 billion, and only add 0.2% to 0.3% to the overall inflation rate, per a former Obama advisor.
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So if you are a high school senior or someone who just went full Dave Ramsey and powered through your loan your are getting the straight shaft.

And only 600 billion. LOL. Anything the government does is never on time or under budget.
 
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If it happens and you qualify for it, but don’t like it then you can always contribute that $10k-$20k back to the government or some other cause.
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‘Haha…… that’s funny.. Almost as funny as all the people that claimed loan forgiveness was a bad idea… until they got theirs.
 
binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
Good lord...misses point entirely.
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No, I get your point, you've made it clear. You're certain this is illegal overreach by the executive branch. I expect if it's illegal it will be overturned. I also suspect we'd be hearing a lot about "moral hazard" again instead of overreach if Congress had done this.
 
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Anybody remember when another President circumvented Congress to obtain funding for his wall? I do…

Pretty good read…

Trump Looking to Divert $6.1 Billion From Military to Build Wall

Conservatives would have busted a blood vessel if Obama tried to do this, even if it was for a wall... SIAP, did a search on Shanahan... As an aside, I imagine the "narcotics" funding is Coast Guard in the war on drugs. So, more drug trafficking will shift to the ocean as Trump is building a...
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Well, Republicans can always sue. To make people pay more money. While most of them had far greater amounts of loans forgiven just in the last few years alone. In an election year.

Good luck with that.
 
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Don't know who will initiate it but this will go to the courts...
 
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I love how doing things that benefit people is considered a "bribe". That's what politicians are supposed to do enact meaningful changes to earn votes of their constituents.
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It just so happens that this primarily affects young people (51% of millennials are democrats vs only 35% of millennial are Republicans).

College educated people are more democratic (49% dem, 42% republican)

64% of post grad women are democrats vs 29% for men.

So basically this is aimed directly at those who are most likely to vote Democrat.
 
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It just so happens that this primarily affects young people (51% of millennials are democrats vs only 35% of millennial are Republicans). College educated people are more democratic (49% dem, 42% republican) 64% of post grad women are democrats vs 29% for men. So basically this is aimed directly at those who are most likely to vote Democrat.
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These would be the folks in favor,... equal but opposite group opposed.
 
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Letting a broken system stand in the way of helping people is dumb.
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Yeah I think it's awesome that all the single moms are helping to pay down a married couple's, making close to a quarter of a million dollars a year, college loans.

Way to step up single mom's for the blue check voting base. 👍
 
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‘Haha…… that’s funny.. Almost as funny as all the people that claimed loan forgiveness was a bad idea… until they got theirs.
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And stimulus checks….that they cashed, and tax cuts, etc. etc. etc.
 
Hawk_82 said:
It just so happens that this primarily affects young people (51% of millennials are democrats vs only 35% of millennial are Republicans).

College educated people are more democratic (49% dem, 42% republican)

64% of post grad women are democrats vs 29% for men.

So basically this is aimed directly at those who are most likely to vote Democrat.
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Farmers lean Republican, should we end farm subsidies since they are aimed at people most likely to vote Republican?
 
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