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Here's a legit "why the media sucks" story....

torbee

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This is the kind of story that makes people hate the media, and yes, I know it's only the Today Show, but still. They come up with a provocative headline implying that this poor young lady is being slut-shamed by her evil corporate overlords. The story goes on to talk about how this is a SERIOUS SOCIETY issue and a problem for women. Then, at the very end, they drop in the fact that ALL shorts are explicitly forbidden by the company's dress code and this dolt apparently didn't read it (or, you know, apply common sense) during and after orientation:

(p.s. Still Would)

J.C. Penney employee sent home for wearing shorts she bought — at J.C. Penney
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Jul. 29, 2015 at 7:12 AM
Rheana Murray
TODAY
A former J.C. Penney employee said she was sent home from work for wearing shorts she bought in the store's career style section, launching a heated discussion about dress codes for women online.

Sylva Stoel of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, called out her former employer on Twitter last week, accusing her boss of sending her home because her red linen shorts were "too revealing," she said.

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Sylva Stoel of South Dakota says this outfit got her sent home from work at JCPenney.
"I was at work for about 10 minutes before he approached me," Stoel, 17, told TODAY.com. "He asked if anyone talked to me about dress code at orientation."

After he reportedly asked her how long it would take to go home and change, she quit on the spot, Stoel said.

"I bought [the shorts] thinking they were pretty professional," she added. "They didn't show anything other than my legs, which I don't think is too provocative."

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She posted a photo of the outfit in question online: a blue sleeveless shirt, red shorts and sandals.

While shorts do violate J.C. Penney's dress code for employees, Stoel said she never learned that in orientation. The company declined to comment.

The teen said she's fed up with dress codes that target women, and she's not the first to speak up about it — many young women have voiced concerns that school and work dress codes are sexist.

"It's blowing up," she said. "I'm very satisfied that people are paying attention to the cause and starting a discussion on dress codes in the workplace and at schools, and how we view women."

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She said she agrees with dress code rules that aren't gender-specific — "no gang attire, no explicit imagery, no pajamas," she wrote on Twitter — but not ones that suggest women should always keep their legs and shoulders covered, for example.

"It's always been an issue, but the Internet is making women feel like they can express their opinion," Stoel said. "We have a huge community of feminists who will share it and give it validation. What we're doing isn't wrong, it's society that is wrong."

Stoel, who had worked at J.C. Penney for about two weeks, is now looking for a new job.
 
Luckily, most strip clubs don't care what their dancers wear so it will no longer be an issue for her in the near future.
 
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So people think that if you work at a store that sells clothes, you get to wear whatever clothes that store sells while working? I'd be stopping into Victoria Secret a lot more if that was the case...
 
She thinks dress codes are unfair to women? F that. My wife have dress pants that are about as comfortable as sweat pants (I know from feeling them, I don't wear them). Maybe she should trying wearing a tie to work for a while and see if she likes that better than a dress.
 
She thinks dress codes are unfair to women? F that. My wife have dress pants that are about as comfortable as sweat pants (I know from feeling them, I don't wear them). Maybe she should trying wearing a tie to work for a while and see if she likes that better than a dress.
Exactly!

If anyone has room to bitch, it's men.

What would happen if I came into the office with sandals on? I'd get sent home, but these ladies walk around with their skank-ass toes hanging out 10 months out of the year.
 
Whether dress codes are sexist or not is irrelevant. It's life and it just is not fair.

I would love to wear the equivalent of a skirt (shorts) to work. It ain't gonna fly.
I too would like to wear scandals to work sometimes. It ain't gonna fly.

I hope the little princess knows that this 'stance' that she's taking at 17 is going to follow her around for years to come. There's going to be another job she wants next month, or next year or 6 years from now and this will bite her. Employers don't want potential headaches that she could bring.
 
Shorts are not allowed right? If
Whether dress codes are sexist or not is irrelevant. It's life and it just is not fair.

I would love to wear the equivalent of a skirt (shorts) to work. It ain't gonna fly.
I too would like to wear scandals to work sometimes. It ain't gonna fly.

I hope the little princess knows that this 'stance' that she's taking at 17 is going to follow her around for years to come. There's going to be another job she wants next month, or next year or 6 years from now and this will bite her. Employers don't want potential headaches that she could bring.
doesn't matter, people will support her.
 
Yeah, but when those social media morons become HR directors?

I dunno. I mean, I think I agree with Torbee on this. People don't want to employ someone who reacts to a question of "how long will it take you to go home and change?" by quitting.

That said, we all do stupid stuff at that age. She'll get another chance after college and probably will have a nice story for interviews on how she's matured, evaluated how/where/when she makes her opinions known, and how she now understands the importance of a dress code.


As a side note, I agree with men having it way worse than women as far as dress code in one way, but women have it worse in a different way.

We have the least comfortable "business clothes" imaginable (I was so happy to find out my firm was business casual, wore a tie 1 day this summer, and a full suit 1 day, other than that it was slacks/dress shirt every day).

Women have the least definable "business clothes" imaginable. There have been so many times over the past 2.5 years where we've had functions that were "business" or "formal" or "business casual" or "casual" where I had a very simple script to follow, while my female classmates are always left guessing as to what falls in each category for them.
 
I dunno. I mean, I think I agree with Torbee on this. People don't want to employ someone who reacts to a question of "how long will it take you to go home and change?" by quitting.

That said, we all do stupid stuff at that age. She'll get another chance after college and probably will have a nice story for interviews on how she's matured, evaluated how/where/when she makes her opinions known, and how she now understands the importance of a dress code.


As a side note, I agree with men having it way worse than women as far as dress code in one way, but women have it worse in a different way.

We have the least comfortable "business clothes" imaginable (I was so happy to find out my firm was business casual, wore a tie 1 day this summer, and a full suit 1 day, other than that it was slacks/dress shirt every day).

Women have the least definable "business clothes" imaginable. There have been so many times over the past 2.5 years where we've had functions that were "business" or "formal" or "business casual" or "casual" where I had a very simple script to follow, while my female classmates are always left guessing as to what falls in each category for them.
I don't think she's gonna grow from this. I doubt anyone in her life is talking any sense into her. With today's social media feel bad stories, someone is gonna offer her a good job to wear flip flops and shorts, just cause she stood up.
 
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I don't think she's gonna grow from this. I doubt anyone in her life is talking any sense into her. With today's social media feel bad stories, someone is gonna offer her a good job to wear flip flops and shorts, just cause she stood up.

Ha. I see why you say that. But seriously, think back to being 17. I got in-school suspension 5 times as a senior and when I was called out on it by our principal, and told I wasn't mature enough to handle ASU (where I was headed the following fall) I totally felt she was so out of line and yada yada yada (I do still hate that Dr. Moon, she also told me I'd never amount to anything, so... eff her).

People grow and they mature. I'd say it's more likely than not that this girl will come to her senses.
 
Ha. I see why you say that. But seriously, think back to being 17. I got in-school suspension 5 times as a senior and when I was called out on it by our principal, and told I wasn't mature enough to handle ASU

wait....there are mature people at ASU?!
 
I dunno. I mean, I think I agree with Torbee on this. People don't want to employ someone who reacts to a question of "how long will it take you to go home and change?" by quitting.

That said, we all do stupid stuff at that age. She'll get another chance after college and probably will have a nice story for interviews on how she's matured, evaluated how/where/when she makes her opinions known, and how she now understands the importance of a dress code.


As a side note, I agree with men having it way worse than women as far as dress code in one way, but women have it worse in a different way.

We have the least comfortable "business clothes" imaginable (I was so happy to find out my firm was business casual, wore a tie 1 day this summer, and a full suit 1 day, other than that it was slacks/dress shirt every day).

Women have the least definable "business clothes" imaginable. There have been so many times over the past 2.5 years where we've had functions that were "business" or "formal" or "business casual" or "casual" where I had a very simple script to follow, while my female classmates are always left guessing as to what falls in each category for them.

Women get a ton of choice in this regard, that's why dress codes tend to focus on them the most.

With guys business clothes are basically a uniform depending on where you work. You either wear a polo shirt/dress pants/dress socks/dress shoes. . . button up shirt (tie optional)/dress pants/dress socks/dress shoes, or you wear a full suit and tie. The only thing that can change is the color and even when it comes to colors your selection is somewhat limited.

This is why people notice women's clothes more. They get to wear all sorts of different stuff and it stands out more then men's.

I don't know how uncomfortable women's dress clothes are. . . I wear a polo shirt to work and that's fairly comfortable. Suit and ties can be a little restrictive but I'm actually not that uncomfortable in them. They are mostly just uncomfortable to me if it's hot.
 
Women get a ton of choice in this regard, that's why dress codes tend to focus on them the most.

With guys business clothes are basically a uniform depending on where you work. You either wear a polo shirt/dress pants/dress socks/dress shoes. . . button up shirt (tie optional)/dress pants/dress socks/dress shoes, or you wear a full suit and tie. The only thing that can change is the color and even when it comes to colors your selection is somewhat limited.

This is why people notice women's clothes more. They get to wear all sorts of different stuff and it stands out more then men's.

I don't know how uncomfortable women's dress clothes are. . . I wear a polo shirt to work and that's fairly comfortable. Suit and ties can be a little restrictive but I'm actually not that uncomfortable in them. They are mostly just uncomfortable to me if it's hot.


The bolded is exactly my reasoning for why women, in one way, have it harder than men. What you, or I, or Donald Trump think is "business casual" for women could be 3 entirely different things.
 
The bolded is exactly my reasoning for why women, in one way, have it harder than men. What you, or I, or Donald Trump think is "business casual" for women could be 3 entirely different things.

I think dress pants and a nice top with close toed shoes are easily business casual for women. I don't think it's harder on them because they have so many different options. It's a simple as pick an option that works and stick with it.
 
Ha. I see why you say that. But seriously, think back to being 17. I got in-school suspension 5 times as a senior and when I was called out on it by our principal, and told I wasn't mature enough to handle ASU (where I was headed the following fall) I totally felt she was so out of line and yada yada yada (I do still hate that Dr. Moon, she also told me I'd never amount to anything, so... eff her).

People grow and they mature. I'd say it's more likely than not that this girl will come to her senses.

And now you're posting on HROT. You are RIGHT, you definitely have have matured.
 
"I bought [the shorts] thinking they were pretty professional,"

This is why Europe laughs at us, our allies don't trust us and our enemies all want to kill us. We can't even dress ourselves and we want to run the world.
 
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