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Heroin in New Hampshire

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Last night on the news I heard that the presidential candidates are getting an ear full in NH on that state's heroin epidemic.

More than 300 people died from drug overdoses in New Hampshire last year, the most in state history. In Manchester, the number of overdose deaths is already up 90 percent over 2014, and up 269 percent over 2013, according to figures provided at the forum.
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150803/NEWS07/150809853/1033/news20

WTF? The news reports says it's cheap. I assume it's coming in through Mexico, so maybe we can blame Obama. This country is certainly embracing the drug culture. Is this the new fad?
 
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They had an interview with Sam Quinones on PBS Newshour the other night. He's written a new book about this problem called Dreamland. Here's an LA Times interview with him:

More than half a million Americans a year now use heroin, and many of those users' addictions began with pills like Oxycontin. "Dreamland" is the story of how the nation's addiction epidemic was nurtured into crisis by pharmaceutical salespeople and doctors who billed Oxycontin as a risk-free wonder drug and by an enterprising network of traffickers from a small village in Mexico who delivered black-tar heroin on demand to desperate pill addicts in midsized cities and suburbs across the U.S.

Although Quinones' story hops around the country, the path of addiction is always easy to trace. "Wherever those pills go," says Quinones, a former Los Angeles Times reporter, "heroin comes."

Explain how a single paragraph of medical literature propelled the Oxycontin epidemic.

This letter was forgotten by the guy who wrote it [Dr. Hershel Jick, in a 101-word letter to the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine].... The letter said he checked his [medical] database and found 11,000-plus patients who were given narcotic painkillers in the hospital; only four got addicted. He wrote that in a letter, sent it in, they published it in 1980, and he quickly forgot it.

That was later picked up by the pain specialists who wanted to break down this phobia [of addiction] with regard to pain treatment by opioids, and they ran with it.... Nobody bothered to read it.... First it was called a report, then it was called a study, then it was called a landmark report, and then finally a landmark study, and in none of these cases was that a correct description.... I kept thinking, "This can't be possible, this is not true, how can one little letter that is nothing, a toss-off, have changed so many minds?"


What role do Levi's 501 jeans play in this whole saga?

What got me into this story was working on a piece for the L.A. Times about an entire town in Mexico where everyone sells heroin retail in the United States and sells it like pizza. This system gathered recruits for a lot of reasons, but one of the weirdest ones was that people realized early on [that] they could trade dope for Levi's 501s [which were, in the 1990s, the gold standard of rural menswear] and they would come back to the village with 50, a hundred pairs of the jeans, hand them out as if they were Santa Claus....

You talk about how Oxycontin had become its own currency in the United States. What is the strangest thing that you discovered had been bought with pills?

T-bone steaks, cable service, kidnap ransom. In some areas — in particular in the town that I focused on, Portsmouth, Ohio — there was so many pills in those areas, the pills mills [where doctors prescribed pills wantonly] were like the central banks. They controlled the currency, which were pills. Once you're addicted, you don't care about money. All you care about is dope. ... People would rob dealers and not take their money, they would take their pills....

Do you think the opiate epidemic is here to stay or is there a vanishing point in sight?

The demand is being primed not by the underground mafia, not by the underworld gang, but by the legitimate doctor, overprescribing for all kinds of things that probably don't need it. I had my appendix out about six years ago. They gave me 60 Vicodin. They never explained to me what Vicodin was. They never explained to me why I needed 60. ... It's a very scary fact that we have [problems] in states like Alabama and Idaho and Tennessee, places you don't think of opiate addiction being a problem. Because wherever those pills go, heroin comes. ... There were no heroin addicts to speak of in Alabama or Idaho, and now there are.

Do you see any symmetries between the pharmaceutical companies and the Mexican heroin dealers in terms of business practices?

Without a doubt. I conceived of this book as twin tales of drug marketing. Obviously one is a legitimate drug and one is an illegal drug.

I think the reliance on personal service as a marketing tool — a customer service of going to the doctor to give him a brochure about your drug and making that personal connection — the Xalisco Boys from Nayarit have the same way of doing [business]. They develop personal relationships with the junkies; if there's any sign they're going to quit they give them free dope. They're always trying to be very customer-service oriented, get there quickly as much as they can. ... It's all a part of you having to avoid any discomfort in your pain and in finding the drug.

All this is part of who we've become as a country.

http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-sam-quinones-20150412-story.html

The Newshour interview can be found here:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/quietest-drug-epidemic-ravaged-u-s/
 
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This article is sad as well. It sounds to me like the issue is kids get addicted to oxy pills and then when those get too expensive, or won't get them high enough, they resort to the cheaper heroin and start shooting it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/07/25/and-then-he-decided-not-to-be

I hate to sound like an old duffer, but these kids are probably not getting the straight story on these drugs.

Or maybe there is a massive spiritual vacuum descending on this country which is creating a breeding ground for vice and obsesive behaviors.
 
I always cringe when I read about prescription painkiller abuse. On the one hand it is a problem, but the solution always seems to involve scary the sh*t out of doctors and making it damn near impossible for people with cronic pain to get medication.

One thing I know for sure is that the DEA is absolutely incompetent and its "solutions" always involve the same old bone-headed law enforcement thuggery.
 
I always cringe when I read about prescription painkiller abuse. On the one hand it is a problem, but the solution always seems to involve scary the sh*t out of doctors and making it damn near impossible for people with cronic pain to get medication.

Agree with this. I also realize my proposed solution here wouldn't fix this problem in all cases, but in the case of young people abusing heroin in areas like New Hampshire... parents could probably be a bit more involved in their lives. A family unit that stays together and eats meals together sure tends to solve a lot of small problems before they become big problems.
 
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Or maybe there is a massive spiritual vacuum descending on this country which is creating a breeding ground for vice and obsesive behaviors.

LOL, yeah, there were no drug or alcohol abuse problems in this country back in the good old days when we were a Christian, God-fearing country.
 
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When medical marijuana availability reached about 40% of the country, black market prices for weed
plunged and the cartels started focusing more on heroin. Legalize everything and make it a mental health issue
 
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

Someone posted this a few months ago (Aegon maybe?) and it didn't get any traction, probably because it is long and requires critical thought. I'll try again and quote part of it here.

"The rats with good lives didn't like the drugged water. They mostly shunned it, consuming less than a quarter of the drugs the isolated rats used. None of them died. While all the rats who were alone and unhappy became heavy users, none of the rats who had a happy environment did.

At first, I thought this was merely a quirk of rats, until I discovered that there was -- at the same time as the Rat Park experiment -- a helpful human equivalent taking place. It was called the Vietnam War. Time magazine reported using heroin was "as common as chewing gum" among U.S. soldiers, and there is solid evidence to back this up: some 20 percent of U.S. soldiers had become addicted to heroin there, according to a study published in the Archives of General Psychiatry. Many people were understandably terrified; they believed a huge number of addicts were about to head home when the war ended.

But in fact some 95 percent of the addicted soldiers -- according to the same study -- simply stopped. Very few had rehab. They shifted from a terrifying cage back to a pleasant one, so didn't want the drug any more."
 
When medical marijuana availability reached about 40% of the country, black market prices for weed
plunged and the cartels started focusing more on heroin. Legalize everything and make it a mental health issue

I'm all for legal marijuana. I know it is stronger now, and I personally would smoke it. But it is not the same thing as heroin or any kind of cocaine. Totally different ball games.
 
I'm all for legal marijuana. I know it is stronger now, and I personally would smoke it. But it is not the same thing as heroin or any kind of cocaine. Totally different ball games.

Completely agree, but when has attempted prohibition of anything with a relatively high consumer demand ever worked in the history of mankind? Where there is demand, supply will find a way. Capitalism 101
 
LOL, yeah, there were no drug or alcohol abuse problems in this country back in the good old days when we were a Christian, God-fearing country.

I was not using the word spiritual in the strictly religious sense. But feel free to read it that way if it's more entertaining for you.
 
I was not using the word spiritual in the strictly religious sense. But feel free to read it that way if it's more entertaining for you.

Don't get uppity with me just because you're too stupid to understand what "spiritual" typically refers to.

Go ahead and crack a dictionary and pick out a better word next time.
 
Sadly, I'm probably going to lose a cousin to heroin soon.


All of my best wishes and prayers to you and your family.

I too have had some family members fight heroin addictions. They all started with receiving prescriptions to opiate based pain killers resulting from injuries that they occurred and it blossomed from their.
 
Don't get uppity with me just because you're too stupid to understand what "spiritual" typically refers to.

Go ahead and crack a dictionary and pick out a better word next time.

Too bad we don't have a "dislike" button for posts. I realize I might be in negative territory myself, but I'm confident I'd have your company.

Have a great day!
Pepp
 
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