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Up to 50% of hospitalizations may be for relatively mild or even asymptomatic cases.

Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning​

A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.
By David Zweig

At least 12,000 Americans have already died from COVID-19 this month, as the country inches through its latest surge in cases. But another worrying statistic is often cited to depict the dangers of this moment: The number of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 in the United States right now is as high as it has been since the beginning of February. It’s even worse in certain places: Some states, including Arkansas and Oregon, recently saw their COVID hospitalizations rise to higher levels than at any prior stage of the pandemic. But how much do those latter figures really tell us?

From the start, COVID hospitalizations have served as a vital metric for tracking the risks posed by the disease. Last winter, this magazine described it as “the most reliable pandemic number,” while Vox quoted the cardiologist Eric Topol as saying that it’s “the best indicator of where we are.” On the one hand, death counts offer finality, but they’re a lagging signal and don’t account for people who suffered from significant illness but survived. Case counts, on the other hand, depend on which and how many people happen to get tested. Presumably, hospitalization numbers provide a more stable and reliable gauge of the pandemic’s true toll, in terms of severe disease. But a new, nationwide study of hospitalization records, released as a preprint today (and not yet formally peer reviewed), suggests that the meaning of this gauge can easily be misinterpreted—and that it has been shifting over time.

If you want to make sense of the number of COVID hospitalizations at any given time, you need to know how sick each patient actually is. Until now, that’s been almost impossible to suss out. The federal government requires hospitals to report every patient who tests positive for COVID, yet the overall tallies of COVID hospitalizations, made available on various state and federal dashboards and widely reported on by the media, do not differentiate based on severity of illness. Some patients need extensive medical intervention, such as getting intubated. Others require supplemental oxygen or administration of the steroid dexamethasone. But there are many COVID patients in the hospital with fairly mild symptoms, too, who have been admitted for further observation on account of their comorbidities, or because they reported feeling short of breath. Another portion of the patients in this tally are in the hospital for something unrelated to COVID, and discovered that they were infected only because they were tested upon admission. How many patients fall into each category has been a topic of much speculation. In August, researchers from Harvard Medical School, Tufts Medical Center, and the Veterans Affairs Healthcare System decided to find out.


Researchers have tried to get at similar questions before. For two separate studies published in May, doctors in California read through several hundred charts of pediatric patients, one by one, to figure out why, exactly, each COVID-positive child had been admitted to the hospital. Did they need treatment for COVID, or was there some other reason for admission, like cancer treatment or a psychiatric episode, and the COVID diagnosis was merely incidental? According to the researchers, 40 to 45 percent of the hospitalizations that they examined were for patients in the latter group.

The authors of the paper out this week took a different tack to answer a similar question, this time for adults. Instead of meticulously looking at why a few hundred patients were admitted to a pair of hospitals, they analyzed the electronic records for nearly 50,000 COVID hospital admissions at the more than 100 VA hospitals across the country. Then they checked to see whether each patient required supplemental oxygen or had a blood oxygen level below 94 percent. (The latter criterion is based on the National Institutes of Health definition of “severe COVID.”) If either of these conditions was met, the authors classified that patient as having moderate to severe disease; otherwise, the case was considered mild or asymptomatic.

The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.
 
This increase was even bigger for vaccinated hospital patients, of whom 57 percent had mild or asymptomatic disease. But unvaccinated patients have also been showing up with less severe symptoms, on average, than earlier in the pandemic: The study found that 45 percent of their cases were mild or asymptomatic since January 21. According to Shira Doron, an infectious-disease physician and hospital epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center, in Boston, and one of the study’s co-authors, the latter finding may be explained by the fact that unvaccinated patients in the vaccine era tend to be a younger cohort who are less vulnerable to COVID and may be more likely to have been infected in the past.

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Among the limitations of the study is that patients in the VA system are not representative of the U.S. population as a whole, as they include few women and no children. (Still, the new findings echo those from the two pediatric-admissions studies.) Also, like many medical centers, the VA has a policy to test every inpatient for COVID, but this is not a universal practice. Lastly, most of the data—even from the patients admitted in 2021—derive from the phase of the pandemic before Delta became widespread, and it’s possible that the ratios have changed in recent months. The study did run through June 30, however, when the Delta wave was about to break, and it did not find that the proportion of patients with moderate to severe respiratory distress was trending upward at the end of the observation period.

The idea behind the study and what it investigates is important, says Graham Snyder, the medical director of infection prevention and hospital epidemiology at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, though he told me that it would benefit from a little more detail and nuance beyond oxygenation status. But Daniel Griffin, an infectious-disease specialist at Columbia University, told me that using other metrics for severity of illness, such as intensive-care admissions, presents different limitations. For one thing, different hospitals use different criteria for admitting patients to the ICU.

One of the important implications of the study, these experts say, is that the introduction of vaccines strongly correlates with a greater share of COVID hospital patients having mild or asymptomatic disease. “It’s underreported how well the vaccine makes your life better, how much less sick you are likely to be, and less sick even if hospitalized,” Snyder said. “That’s the gem in this study.”

“People ask me, ‘Why am I getting vaccinated if I just end up in the hospital anyway?’” Griffin said. “But I say, ‘You’ll end up leaving the hospital.’” He explained that some COVID patients are in for “soft” hospitalizations, where they need only minimal treatment and leave relatively quickly; others may be on the antiviral drug remdesivir for five days, or with a tube down their throat. One of the values of this study, he said, is that it helps the public understand this distinction—and the fact that not all COVID hospitalizations are the same.

But the study also demonstrates that hospitalization rates for COVID, as cited by journalists and policy makers, can be misleading, if not considered carefully. Clearly many patients right now are seriously ill. We also know that overcrowding of hospitals by COVID patients with even mild illness can have negative implications for patients in need of other care. At the same time, this study suggests that COVID hospitalization tallies can’t be taken as a simple measure of the prevalence of severe or even moderate disease, because they might inflate the true numbers by a factor of two. “As we look to shift from cases to hospitalizations as a metric to drive policy and assess level of risk to a community or state or country,” Doron told me, referring to decisions about school closures, business restrictions, mask requirements, and so on, “we should refine the definition of hospitalization. Those patients who are there with rather than from COVID don’t belong in the metric.”
 
“This increase was even bigger for vaccinated hospital patients, of whom 57 percent had mild or asymptomatic disease.”

Why are we putting asymptomatic patients in the hospital? If it’s isolation, do we not have better ways to isolate?
 
Huh, thought I was the only nerd that read The Atlantic around here.

Honestly, the Atlantic has been one of the better mainstream sources on COVID from the beginning. Thoughtful analysis of the data, minimal panic porn, and resistant to much of the politicization. If someone was getting their Covid info solely from The Atlantic, they'd be better off than most.
 
A bit TLDR here but why admit a patient who has mild or no symptoms?

great question, as someone currently dealing with Covid and having mid symptoms I’ve been instructed to avoid the hospital unless my oxygen level drops dramatically or I’m having difficulty breathing. I’m guessing many elderly patients go in at the first sign of either.
 
Honestly, the Atlantic has been one of the better mainstream sources on COVID from the beginning. Thoughtful analysis of the data, minimal panic porn, and resistant to much of the politicization. If someone was getting their Covid info solely from The Atlantic, they'd be better off than most.
Everyone should read The Atlantic on every subject, IMO. Probably the most informative, smartest and best-written magazine out there. And though it historically has had a slight liberal editorial stance, it is primarily hardcore, old-school, unbiased reporting and smart analysis.
 
A bit TLDR here but why admit a patient who has mild or no symptoms?
In the article they point out that sometimes the hospitals choose to admit patients with mild symptoms if they have multiple co-morbidities or report shortness of breath. That makes sense.

The article also notes that people who come into the hospital for something else (a broken bone or asthma or whatever) who subsequently contract Covid are added to the "hospitalized with Covid" list regardless of severity or if its even asymptomatic,.

I would wager that covers most of the mild or asymptomatic patients hospitalized.
 
great question, as someone currently dealing with Covid and having mid symptoms I’ve been instructed to avoid the hospital unless my oxygen level drops dramatically or I’m having difficulty breathing. I’m guessing many elderly patients go in at the first sign of either.

I recently had it about a month ago. Similar thing.

The weirdest thing was my resting pulse rate went from 60 bpm to 90 bpm. Doc said it was ok if it stays below 100.

Other than that it was like having a cold.
 
This isn't good news for the "they're dying in the streets" crowd. It also isn't good for the vaccination efforts if 50% of those hospitalized with covid probably shouldn't have been...
 
Up to 50% of hospitalizations may be for relatively mild or even asymptomatic cases.

Our Most Reliable Pandemic Number Is Losing Meaning​

A new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild or asymptomatic cases.
By David Zweig

At least 12,000 Americans have already died from COVID-19 this month, as the country inches through its latest surge in cases. But another worrying statistic is often cited to depict the dangers of this moment: The number of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 in the United States right now is as high as it has been since the beginning of February. It’s even worse in certain places: Some states, including Arkansas and Oregon, recently saw their COVID hospitalizations rise to higher levels than at any prior stage of the pandemic. But how much do those latter figures really tell us?

From the start, COVID hospitalizations have served as a vital metric for tracking the risks posed by the disease. Last winter, this magazine described it as “the most reliable pandemic number,” while Vox quoted the cardiologist Eric Topol as saying that it’s “the best indicator of where we are.” On the one hand, death counts offer finality, but they’re a lagging signal and don’t account for people who suffered from significant illness but survived. Case counts, on the other hand, depend on which and how many people happen to get tested. Presumably, hospitalization numbers provide a more stable and reliable gauge of the pandemic’s true toll, in terms of severe disease. But a new, nationwide study of hospitalization records, released as a preprint today (and not yet formally peer reviewed), suggests that the meaning of this gauge can easily be misinterpreted—and that it has been shifting over time.

If you want to make sense of the number of COVID hospitalizations at any given time, you need to know how sick each patient actually is. Until now, that’s been almost impossible to suss out. The federal government requires hospitals to report every patient who tests positive for COVID, yet the overall tallies of COVID hospitalizations, made available on various state and federal dashboards and widely reported on by the media, do not differentiate based on severity of illness. Some patients need extensive medical intervention, such as getting intubated. Others require supplemental oxygen or administration of the steroid dexamethasone. But there are many COVID patients in the hospital with fairly mild symptoms, too, who have been admitted for further observation on account of their comorbidities, or because they reported feeling short of breath. Another portion of the patients in this tally are in the hospital for something unrelated to COVID, and discovered that they were infected only because they were tested upon admission. How many patients fall into each category has been a topic of much speculation. In August, researchers from Harvard Medical School, Tufts Medical Center, and the Veterans Affairs Healthcare System decided to find out.


Researchers have tried to get at similar questions before. For two separate studies published in May, doctors in California read through several hundred charts of pediatric patients, one by one, to figure out why, exactly, each COVID-positive child had been admitted to the hospital. Did they need treatment for COVID, or was there some other reason for admission, like cancer treatment or a psychiatric episode, and the COVID diagnosis was merely incidental? According to the researchers, 40 to 45 percent of the hospitalizations that they examined were for patients in the latter group.

The authors of the paper out this week took a different tack to answer a similar question, this time for adults. Instead of meticulously looking at why a few hundred patients were admitted to a pair of hospitals, they analyzed the electronic records for nearly 50,000 COVID hospital admissions at the more than 100 VA hospitals across the country. Then they checked to see whether each patient required supplemental oxygen or had a blood oxygen level below 94 percent. (The latter criterion is based on the National Institutes of Health definition of “severe COVID.”) If either of these conditions was met, the authors classified that patient as having moderate to severe disease; otherwise, the case was considered mild or asymptomatic.

The study found that from March 2020 through early January 2021—before vaccination was widespread, and before the Delta variant had arrived—the proportion of patients with mild or asymptomatic disease was 36 percent. From mid-January through the end of June 2021, however, that number rose to 48 percent. In other words, the study suggests that roughly half of all the hospitalized patients showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021 may have been admitted for another reason entirely, or had only a mild presentation of disease.
Deaths was always the defining factor for me.

Seems kinda obvious now......
 
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“This increase was even bigger for vaccinated hospital patients, of whom 57 percent had mild or asymptomatic disease.”

Why are we putting asymptomatic patients in the hospital? If it’s isolation, do we not have better ways to isolate?
They go in for different reasons and get tested for COVID-19. It comes back positive, so it’s called a Covid-19 hospitalization.
 
In the article they point out that sometimes the hospitals choose to admit patients with mild symptoms if they have multiple co-morbidities or report shortness of breath. That makes sense.

The article also notes that people who come into the hospital for something else (a broken bone or asthma or whatever) who subsequently contract Covid are added to the "hospitalized with Covid" list regardless of severity or if its even asymptomatic,.

I would wager that covers most of the mild or asymptomatic patients hospitalized.

Monoclonal antibodies are going to those over 65 and high risk people. Those drugs can only be given by IV and in a hospital or a clinic. I'm sure many are admitted for that reason, regardless of symptoms.
 
Monoclonal antibodies are going to those over 65 and high risk people. Those drugs can only be given by IV and in a hospital or a clinic. I'm sure many are admitted for that reason, regardless of symptoms.

That's an interesting thought. I haven't seen anyone make that connection yet, if true.
 
Yeah great stat but also super conceding that non Covid folks are dying for lack of treatment when this reads that 50% of the folks in hospitals shouldn’t be there!?
 
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Yeah great stat but also super conceding that non Covid folks are dying for lack of treatment when this reads that 50% of the folks in hospitals shouldn’t be there!?

They are there for others reasons. And, then they discover they have Covid while in the hospital. Which they didn't realize because their symptoms are so mild.
 
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“This increase was even bigger for vaccinated hospital patients, of whom 57 percent had mild or asymptomatic disease.”

Why are we putting asymptomatic patients in the hospital? If it’s isolation, do we not have better ways to isolate?
We aren't putting them in the hospital. They are there for something other than covid. Routine screening.
 
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Monoclonal antibodies are going to those over 65 and high risk people. Those drugs can only be given by IV and in a hospital or a clinic. I'm sure many are admitted for that reason, regardless of symptoms.
This is not true. Monoclonal antibodies can now be given SQ and in a pharmacy. https://newschannel9.com/news/coron...ovid-19-patients-without-doctors-prescription

SQ via 4 injections sites 1) Thigh 2) upper back 3) arm 4) abdomen

 
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Yeah great stat but also super conceding that non Covid folks are dying for lack of treatment when this reads that 50% of the folks in hospitals shouldn’t be there!?
Don't work in healthcare do you...Look when people are admitted for surgical procedures they are screened for covid. The test comes back after the surgical procedure and when they are on the post-op unit. Stick with something you are familiar with. Blabbering about something you are ignorant of isn't making your look good, even on an anonymous message board.
 
Don't work in healthcare do you...Look when people are admitted for surgical procedures they are screened for covid. The test comes back after the surgical procedure and when they are on the post-op unit. Stick with something you are familiar with. Blabbering about something you are ignorant of isn't making your look good, even on an anonymous message board.
lol relax
 
If someone's already low chance of being hospitalized with covid is all of the sudden cut in half by this statistic, do you think someone that isn't vaccinated yet is going to be more likely to go get it or less likely?
If I trained a bunch of monkeys and hired them to go door to door and put a gun to a person's head and delivering the message of politely asking them to go get the covid vaccine, do you think they'd be more likely or less likely to get it?...........................



It's all about (re)enforcement. ;)
 
Thanks. It's a Pepsi though.

IT just shows how little we can actually rely on raw statistics as "science". When we start looking at individual cases, the story changes.

Huh, thought I was the only nerd that read The Atlantic around here.
It amuses me that @torbee didn't get the same pushback as the other 2 people who posted this.

Admittedly, one of them posted a headline as a thread title with no article or link for reference and said poster is a prime reboot who continually posts bullshit, so I at least understand why team COVID went after him.

@ihhawk posted the article without comment and @Joes Place was right there to clear up the facts for everybody.
 
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It amuses me that @torbee didn't get the same pushback as the other 2 people who posted this.

Admittedly, one of them posted a headline as a thread title with no article or link for reference and said poster is a prime reboot who continually posts bullshit, so I at least understand why team COVID went after him.

@ihhawk posted the article without comment and @Joes Place place was right there to clear up the facts for everybody.
To be fair, when Chief posts anything (especially without a link to the article) I tend to think he’s full of shit as well.
 
On a personal Covid note, my fiancé has 3 coworkers in the hospital right now with Covid. Two women “both very obese” and one 38 year old man that is built like a brick shit house. The man is actually a good friend of ours. None vaccinated. The man and his family went out to Oregon and didn’t feel well when he came back. Checked into the hospital yesterday and is on oxygen. The two women were put into coma…5 days now. They might both die.

get vaccinated people. Delta is different
 
On a personal Covid note, my fiancé has 3 coworkers in the hospital right now with Covid. Two women “both very obese” and one 38 year old man that is built like a brick shit house. The man is actually a good friend of ours. None vaccinated. The man and his family went out to Oregon and didn’t feel well when he came back. Checked into the hospital yesterday and is on oxygen. The two women were put into coma…5 days now. They might both die.

get vaccinated people. Delta is different
Yup. Do the right thing for yourself, if not for others.
 
This is not true. Monoclonal antibodies can now be given SQ and in a pharmacy. https://newschannel9.com/news/coron...ovid-19-patients-without-doctors-prescription

SQ via 4 injections sites 1) Thigh 2) upper back 3) arm 4) abdomen


The hospitals in Des Moines and Minneapolis (the only ones I have personal knowlege of) are doing IV infusions. The process takes an hour and they want to do it with supervision in case of adverse reactions.
 
The hospitals in Des Moines and Minneapolis (the only ones I have personal knowlege of) are doing IV infusions. The process takes an hour and they want to do it with supervision in case of adverse reactions.
Im curious to know how effective it is and if it helps prevent more severe cases.
 
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