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House Republicans Vote to Rescind I.R.S. Funding

Does the Senate have to agree for the funding to be stopped or is this strictly a House decision?
The House actions will make it imperative that Merica never allows the GOP to control all three levels of govt.

The Senate will be spending all it's time fixing House bills.

The end game here for Republicans is they won't get anything done and will proceed to say the Senate shot everything down. Their goal isn't to pass any meaningful legislation, it's to try and make Dems look bad.
 
Yes.

Additional agents/employees and infrastructure over 10 years. Many of the employees will be replacing those that are leaving and some will be additional to modernize the systems.
I recently had a tax dispute ongoing with the IRS that went on for about a year and a half. It was settled in my favor (I knew I was in the right the whole time) but it became obvious to me in my numerous interactions over that time that the agency’s information systems were completely inadequate and unreliable which led to the length of time until it was resolved. I don’t know how their agents can function with their stone age technology levels. I should also add that every I.R.S. agent I interacted with was helpful, generous and pleasant. I’m thoroughly convinced it was largely due to me acting the same towards them. They’re not monsters, just ordinary people, like all of us.
 
I recently had a tax dispute ongoing with the IRS that went on for about a year and a half. It was settled in my favor (I knew I was in the right the whole time) but it became obvious to me in my numerous interactions over that time that the agency’s information systems were completely inadequate and unreliable which led to the length of time until it was resolved. I don’t know how their agents can function with their stone age technology levels. I should also add that every I.R.S. agent I interacted with was helpful, generous and pleasant. I’m thoroughly convinced it was largely due to me acting the same towards them. They’re not monsters, just ordinary people, like all of us.
The wealthy on the far right (Koch et al) have completely sold the non-wealthy base on the concept that the IRS is to be feared and is coming for them. It's another one of the grifts that they have sold to their gullible base.
 
I’m on board with all the reasons for additional funds being allocated to the IRS (recover more taxes, hire more auditors, modernize technology); can’t they siphon off funds in the existing spending bills?

Most Americans have to cut in one area to spend more in another- why does our government keep to just spending like there’s no cap? Was the idea that the additional spend pays for itself?
 
I’m on board with all the reasons for additional funds being allocated to the IRS (recover more taxes, hire more auditors, modernize technology); can’t they siphon off funds in the existing spending bills?

Most Americans have to cut in one area to spend more in another- why does our government keep to just spending like there’s no cap? Was the idea that the additional spend pays for itself?

Are you willing to cut money spent on your parents and grandparents medical care?

This is peanuts compared to Medicare.
 
I recently had a tax dispute ongoing with the IRS that went on for about a year and a half. It was settled in my favor (I knew I was in the right the whole time) but it became obvious to me in my numerous interactions over that time that the agency’s information systems were completely inadequate and unreliable which led to the length of time until it was resolved. I don’t know how their agents can function with their stone age technology levels. I should also add that every I.R.S. agent I interacted with was helpful, generous and pleasant. I’m thoroughly convinced it was largely due to me acting the same towards them. They’re not monsters, just ordinary people, like all of us.
Spot on.
 
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LMFAO, doesn't realize it will get buried in the Senate and forgotten. I expect most everything the cons do will go no further than the House and be nothing more than a shit show.
How many bills did the Dem controlled House pass in 2018-2020 that McConnell refused to bring to the Senate floor for a vote? Wasn't it 400+? Any outrage from the right when this happens again is the height of hypocrisy.
 
What those stupid f**kers don't realize is that the IRS' main function is to collect revenue. Non-collection of taxes will only result in a higher debt. Limiting their funding will likely allow other investigative services, many of which are not as nice as the IRS, to be investigating the tax fraud cheats, most of whom are maga scum.
Ever given your tax money to an IRS agent?
 
And so the idiocy begins:

House Republicans, in one of their first legislative moves, voted to cut funding for the Internal Revenue Service on Monday, as conservative lawmakers try to kneecap President Biden’s $80 billion overhaul of the beleaguered agency.
The measure does not have the votes to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate, let alone receive approval from Mr. Biden. It passed the House, 221 to 210 along party lines, with every Democrat in opposition and Republicans applauding upon passage.
But the legislation serves as an opening salvo from the new Republican majority, which is seeking to undercut the policy accomplishments of Democrats over the past two years, when they controlled both Congress and the White House.
The Biden administration issued a statement of policy on Monday confirming that the president would veto the measure and dismissing it as “a reckless bill.” Senator Chuck Schumer, Democrat of New York and the majority leader, said that “this is a giveaway to the multimillionaires and big corporations, and Democrats won’t let it happen.”
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The Republican focus on the I.R.S. comes after years of the complaints from the party that the agency had unfairly targeted conservative groups and harangued small businesses and middle-class families.

Electing a New Speaker of the House​

Representative Kevin McCarthy won the speakership after a revolt within the Republican Party set off a long stretch of unsuccessful votes.​

“The I.R.S. does not need a raise — it needs a reckoning,” Representative Jason Smith of Missouri, who clinched the chairmanship of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee on Monday, said about the bill. In a separate statement, he added that Daniel Werfel, Mr. Biden’s nominee to serve as the next I.R.S. commissioner, should “plan to spend a lot of time before our committee answering questions about the leaking of sensitive taxpayer information and an agency with a history of targeting conservative Americans.”
Shortly after winning his speaker position early Saturday, Kevin McCarthy of California reiterated his pledge to make defunding the I.R.S. the first bill of the Republican majority.
“The government should be here to help you, not go after you,” he said.
Democrats included an extra $80 billion for the I.R.S. in last year’s Inflation Reduction Act, which passed over Republican opposition, saying it would help the agency crack down on tax evaders and ensure that the government was collecting the taxes it was owed. The money will be used to hire 87,000 I.R.S. employees and modernize the agency’s antiquated technology systems. That investment is expected to generate $180 billion in revenue over 10 years.
Yet despite denouncing the federal budget deficit and calling for more fiscal responsibility, Republicans have dismissed any revenue gain from beefing up the tax collector. Instead, they have falsely accused the administration of trying to create a “shadow army” to shake down small businesses with assault rifles.
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On Monday, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said that the Republican bill to rescind billions of dollars in I.R.S. funding would actually increase the deficit by $114 billion through 2032.
“They don’t want a fairer tax administration — they think it’s bad for some of their supporters,” Representative Richard E. Neal of Massachusetts, the top Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, said in debate with Republicans on the House floor. “What they’re attempting to do tonight is bad for middle-class families. It’s bad for small businesses.”
Representative Michelle Steel, Republican of California, acknowledged that “the agency needs reform and modernization,” but argued that the money did not prioritize those goals.
Representative Adrian Smith of Nebraska, the Republican who led debate over the legislation, said the measure “stops autopilot funding for an out-of-control government agency that is perhaps most in need of reform.”
J.P. Freire, a spokesman for Republicans on the Ways and Means Committee, said on Twitter that the revenue estimates would necessitate more audits on middle-class taxpayers. He argued that the agency often audited taxpayers who did not owe the government any additional money.
“And ramping up those audits is going to be painful,” Mr. Freire said.
The money is intended to invest in an agency that has become depleted over the years. The effects of years of neglect and Republican cuts on the I.R.S. budget were highlighted by reports recently published by the Ways and Means Committee as it released former President Donald J. Trump’s taxes.
The Biden administration has promised to prioritize using the additional funding to improve customer service at the I.R.S. so that it is easier for taxpayers to get answers to questions. It has also pledged that audit rates for taxpayers earning less than $400,000 a year will not go up.
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“House Republicans’ legislation would allow wealthy and corporate tax evaders to continue avoiding taxes owed, increasing the burden on honest, hardworking families who pay their taxes with every paycheck,” said Ashley Schapitl, a Treasury Department spokeswoman. “The I.R.S. audits nearly 80 percent fewer millionaires than a decade ago, and this legislation would deny the agency much-needed resources to hire top talent to go after the $163 billion in taxes avoided by the top 1 percent annually.”
Mark W. Everson, who served as I.R.S. commissioner from 2003 to 2007, said the legislation proposed by House Republicans was a sign of an intensifying political battle over the fate of the agency.
“This is a shot across the bow, and it’s a very important one,” Mr. Everson said. He added that Republicans and Democrats needed to take steps to depoliticize the I.R.S.
“We should have plenty of debates about tax policy, but we need a fairly and efficiently functioning I.R.S.,” said Mr. Everson, who is now a vice chairman at the business consulting firm Alliantgroup.

Do you get paid by the word to troll this board?

Asking for a friend.
 
I’m on board with all the reasons for additional funds being allocated to the IRS (recover more taxes, hire more auditors, modernize technology); can’t they siphon off funds in the existing spending bills?

Most Americans have to cut in one area to spend more in another- why does our government keep to just spending like there’s no cap? Was the idea that the additional spend pays for itself?
It does pay for itself. There is up to $1T in owed and uncollected taxes that can more than offset this expenditure.
 
I’m on board with all the reasons for additional funds being allocated to the IRS (recover more taxes, hire more auditors, modernize technology); can’t they siphon off funds in the existing spending bills?

Most Americans have to cut in one area to spend more in another- why does our government keep to just spending like there’s no cap? Was the idea that the additional spend pays for itself?
I don't think anyone - other than politicians and their donors - objects to eliminating corruption, waste and programs that are well past their use-by date. But that isn't what Rs usually mean when they call for spending to be cut.

They want to cut specific areas of spending - from climate change to education to health care, and so on. But those are areas where we should be spending more, not less.

By all means let's cut the fat. But don't use phony claims of fiscal responsibility to mask or justify cutting meat and bone.
 


We know which party is the party of irresponsible spending these days.
Probably should quit putting them in power for a decade or two, and see where it leads us. Perhaps losing elections for a couple decades will change them back into actual conservatives...
 
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