How bad will ISWho Clowns be next season?
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Well, the cyclone site talks incessantly about Iowa basketball and football. Since I don’t post over there (just lurk occasionally) thought I would see if any intelligent isu fans could provide their take on future of isu hoops. I only care about one isu game each year...whereby Iowa hopefully gets back to consistently beating that program.
Hey Hans, 1998 is calling, and wants its coaching style back. Lol.
Ask Calipari what it's like to rebuild every year. Or coach K for that matter. Moving forward, college hoops is going to be about rebuilding EVERY year. Being successful EVERY year. It's not about adding pieces year after year and building to a crescendo, then sucking for the next 3 years.
No thanks.
You may be right. It’s just too bad/sad that teams/players don’t stick together several years to develop into something special. Who said anything about “sucking every three years”? If a program gets continued decent high school recruits & develops them, then hopefully should remain consistently good. Your two examples of Calipari and Coach K are of blue blood type programs that can have better long-term success at hitting the portal/getting transfers every year vs average programs.
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I think one aspect of TJ's recruiting that hasn't been given enough attention -- although I realize the Hawkeye board may not be the most likely place for this to occur -- is that the transfers on which he built the team were about as far from blue bloods as you can get.
Fred brought in some serious studs. Royce White, DeAndre Kane, others. The top guy TJ collected was Brockington, who really hadn't done much at his two previous stops and wasn't a highly regarded prospect out of high school.
'The sum of the parts' approach. Far easier to attract at that level and if they buy in to their role you get a sweet 16.
I agree & my response would be if a non-blue blood program consistently goes after such portal players, I don’t believe their success level would be any greater than a program that utilizes the more traditional high school/developmental approach. I also think it would just be less stressful on a coaching staff to hit on the right players every year, along with keeping good team chemistry. Oh well, guess that’s why I’m not a D-1 coach. 😉
I don't disagree with you (and I also am not a D-1 coach). But "traditional' recruiting strategies have developed a huge hole because of the changes. Look at Steve Prohm for a good example. He recruited a number of really good high school players, and almost immediately lost them to the NBA. Had they not gone pro, there's a good chance they would have been poached by a blue-blood. That isn't a knock on Prohm; I suspect that if Niang and Morris had come to Ames a couple of years after they did, they would not have been four-year players, either.
Closer to home, look at Murray, and for that matter, Weiscamp.
It used to be that a coach who was able to spot a diamond in the rough could do well because he would "steal" a recruit who was good enough too play for one of the blue bloods, and once he got him, the kid was pretty much sure to stay four years, if he stayed out of jail, went to class and didn't grow to hate the coach or the town. It ain't that way any more, and that makes the job much tougher for the Iowas and Iowa States of the world.
Ah, the old "doing it the right way" argument. Heard this a million times from hawks. How's that working for you? Think Fran will EVER make the sweet 16? Can't believe you guys keep him, 20+ years and still no sweet 16.
Don’t know the answer to your question, but I certainly hope so. However, the point of my starting this thread wasn’t to talk about the Hawkeyes (there are plenty of other threads to do so) it was to get thoughts on future of isu under TJ?
Ah, TJ was Fred's recruiter. Otzelberger has been widely regarded as one of the top recruiters in the nation. His efforts have helped secure the services of Cyclone greats Mike Taylor, Craig Brackins, Diante Garrett, Scott Christopherson, Chris Babb, Chris Allen, Will Clyburn, Korie Lucious, Melvin Ejim, Georges Niang, Naz Long, and Matt Thomas, among others. So I expect the talent will be fantastic after TJ has some time to build the team.
It will be interesting to watch. Do you think he will stay long term if he is successful?
People seem to think so, wife is an ex-cyclone WBB player, was an assistant coach at ISU for a long time, from the midwest (Wisconsin) and seems to be all about ISU, but you never know if and when a bigger name and bigger money comes along. But at this point I think he needs to show a lot more before we need to worry about that. Yes he had a great turn-around year but he'd probably need sustained success for several years before a interest develops at a top tier program.
The thing about isu for both football and MBB is they tend to return to their norm. Rhoads, Sanderson, Prohm and Hoiberg all found out that in the end isu is still isu and they either left or were fired.
The Cyclowns lose Tre Jackson, George Conditt, and Jaden Walker to the portal. The only one of the three to play significant minutes throughout the season was Conditt. Gabe K. has not declared his intentions. The Clowns have some nice freshman coming in next season and they get a second season of Kunc. The addition of Williams the Temple transfer and King the Georgetown transfer means the Clowns are reloading. The information is out there and pretty easy to find.
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Thanks...I was too lazy to look it up
Hopefully the collection of “talent” they are amassing doesn’t mesh & they continue to have trouble scoring.Funny how defense only counts in college basketball. When a team excels on defense in football clown fans call it “boring”.Thanks...I was too lazy to look it up
Scoring 36 points in a college basketball game is super “exciting” because clown fans say so.
"Greats" would apply, IMO, to Ejim, Niang and almost to Long and Thomas. I wouldn't apply it to any of the others, but most could have played for pretty much anybody.
As was winning the Big Ten tourney. It got way more eyes than any of isu’s games.
Must ignore?
I am sure the Big Ten outdrew the Texas ten for viewership those years as well.
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What is really funny is the Hawks being ranked higher than the clowns today by the Coaches in the final poll.
CyTwit and clown fans on cryclown fanatic always said the final poll is what counts, so I guess that Hawks are better.
Maybe next year stender.
Both teams had good years. I will remember 2 wins in the NCAAs + another Sweet 16 more than a subjective ranking. I'm guessing Hawk fans would trade a win vs. Richmond + Providence with a chance to beat KU, over whatever ranking Iowa ended up with (I haven't seen it). Frankly, when u have a end-of-the year tournament, do rankings matter?
Stender, this isn’t my rule it is CyTwit’s and clown fans on cryclown fanatic. My guess is the coaches saw through isu’s wins in the tourney.
But I understand how we now must ignore it. Do you really want to disavow a long held clown fan belief? Don’t let it out or your fan card might be pulled.
Moving the goalposts when they don’t fit a clown fan delusion is just how clown fans roll.
Maybe next year Stender. What we know with 100% certainty is that you and other clown fans will be back desperately seeking our approval.
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Man clown fans sure are up in arms over the Hawks being ranked ahead of them.
Stender be sure to take it upon yourself to keep all sharp objects or other weapons away from CyTwit and his minions. We don’t want anyone getting hurt.
Stender be sure to take it upon yourself to keep all sharp objects or other weapons away from CyTwit and his minions. We don’t want anyone getting hurt.
Share with you how "what" really is? We had a fun year. No expectations with a first year coach and made the Sweet 16. It was frustrating at times, and we need to improve on offense moving forward, but I think we're in good hands. What else do you want to know?
Also, where are you seeing all these Clones fans "up in arms"?
