Do you know if the original play call was a run? I don't. Stanley checked out of it.
How do not run the ball 1st and goal at 3 yd line with 3:23 left?
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Do you know if the original play call was a run? I don't. Stanley checked out of it.
There was a story that came out from Chad L. (I don't even wanna try to spell that guy's name) that said the original play was a pass play. I would have been furious if it was a run play that Nate checked out of, so I was actually relieved to hear that (albeit a little upset we would call a pass play to begin with).
SO BF has watched Stanley lay a State sized Cleveland steamer the entire game as well as watched Iowa run the ball well on the drive and decides to put the game in Stanley's hands ? That is a moron call by BF then and why didn't KF step in and demand a couple of runs ? These guys make millions and shouldn't be making such ignorant in game decisions. Cant wait to see the debacle at Purdue .
Good point. Easy for us to second guess, but I suspect the best option for Nate might have been to put his head down and run it, if he could get back close to the LOS, to keep the clock ticking.
Again, easy for us to second-guess in retrospect.
I'm not the most football savvy so I could be wrong but didn't Stanley call an audible from a run to a pass play?
From video posted by others the sideline did apparently try and call TO. Back judge started to blow the play dead but for some reason let the play continue. Was a killer....
There seems to be some disagreements with what the original play call was. Either way, Stanley gave the game away on that play.
They may have had a run called, but Stanley audibled out of it and actually had a great play called. It's a play they've run to Wadley that has been successful in the past against that defense. Kind of a slip screen. Just came too late, and should have never run it.
A few extra things here.
Iowa leads the conference in redzone passing TDs, so taking a shot there is on par with what Iowa is doing this year with Stanley, and his freedom to audible.
From the 3 yard line, while Stanley is about as fast as Nate Chandler, we have a decent enough O-line that once in a while you'd think maybe we run a QB draw, where we show pass and Nate just takes the snap and barrels ahead with his 6'4 frame.
Many Iowa fans cannot fathom why Iowa has become so averse to our QBs running, especially when you consider that almost every team that's won the national title since 2005 (not named Alabama) has had a dual-threat QB, or at the very least, a mobile one.
That doesn't mean we need Cam Newton or even Brad Banks to win a championship. But statues aren't cutting it anymore either. I do think Kirk knows this, but for whatever reason, it either never seems to click with what they want to do, or in Beathard's case he suffered that injury he could never truly recover from while at Iowa (which also shouldn't scare Kirk from continuing to look for mobile QBs).
Starting QBs for CFB championship-winning teams since 2005 (Matt Lienart was a pro-style QB for USC when they won in 2004):
2005- Vince Young
2006- Chris Leak
2007- Matt Flynn (PS, really odd year)
2008- Tim Tebow
2009- Greg McElroy (PS)
2010- Cam Newton
2011- A.J. McCarron (PS)
2012- A.J. McCarron (PS)
2013- Jameis Winston
2014- Cardale Jones
2015- Jake Coker (PS)
2016- Deshaun Watson
2017- Jalen Hurts (replaced by Tua Tagovailoa)
Also for further reference, these are the QBs from the runners-up:
2005- Matt Lienart (PS)
2006- Troy Smith
2007- Todd Boeckman (PS, yeah that's how odd that year was....)
2008- Sam Bradford (PS)
2009- Colt McCoy
2010- Darren Thomas
2011- Jordan Jefferson
2012- Everett Golson
2013- Nick Marshall
2014- Marcus Mariota
2015- Deshaun Watson
2016- Jalen Hurts
2017- Jake Fromm (PS?)
Iowa leads the conference in redzone passing TDs, so taking a shot there is on par with what Iowa is doing this year with Stanley, and his freedom to audible.
From the 3 yard line, while Stanley is about as fast as Nate Chandler, we have a decent enough O-line that once in a while you'd think maybe we run a QB draw, where we show pass and Nate just takes the snap and barrels ahead with his 6'4 frame.
Many Iowa fans cannot fathom why Iowa has become so averse to our QBs running, especially when you consider that almost every team that's won the national title since 2005 (not named Alabama) has had a dual-threat QB, or at the very least, a mobile one.
That doesn't mean we need Cam Newton or even Brad Banks to win a championship. But statues aren't cutting it anymore either. I do think Kirk knows this, but for whatever reason, it either never seems to click with what they want to do, or in Beathard's case he suffered that injury he could never truly recover from while at Iowa (which also shouldn't scare Kirk from continuing to look for mobile QBs).
Starting QBs for CFB championship-winning teams since 2005 (Matt Lienart was a pro-style QB for USC when they won in 2004):
2005- Vince Young
2006- Chris Leak
2007- Matt Flynn (PS, really odd year)
2008- Tim Tebow
2009- Greg McElroy (PS)
2010- Cam Newton
2011- A.J. McCarron (PS)
2012- A.J. McCarron (PS)
2013- Jameis Winston
2014- Cardale Jones
2015- Jake Coker (PS)
2016- Deshaun Watson
2017- Jalen Hurts (replaced by Tua Tagovailoa)
Also for further reference, these are the QBs from the runners-up:
2005- Matt Lienart (PS)
2006- Troy Smith
2007- Todd Boeckman (PS, yeah that's how odd that year was....)
2008- Sam Bradford (PS)
2009- Colt McCoy
2010- Darren Thomas
2011- Jordan Jefferson
2012- Everett Golson
2013- Nick Marshall
2014- Marcus Mariota
2015- Deshaun Watson
2016- Jalen Hurts
2017- Jake Fromm (PS?)
It was one of the weirdest plays I have seen. So many things going on, none of them good. First, there seemed to be a play clock 'problem'. Did the play clock start after the ball was set for the 1st down? I don't have a replay of the whole game, but it didn't seem to be.
Secondly, we tried to call a time-out, which should have been granted or a penalty called for the coach being way out on the field. They had plenty of time to give the time-out. They call time outs later than that to ice kickers.
Also, which no one has brought up, the play should have been blown dead for a false start. Watch it again. The players MUST become set for a second before the ball is snapped, but Fant never gets set and is in fact moving his feet prior to ball being snapped. Hock is turned and looking at Stanley, turns back right before the snap, but his hand never gets to the ground and he is certainly not 'set'. Wirfs is turned and looking at the QB right before the ball is snapped and never gets set.
And lastly, if Fant would have just blocked his guy like I think he was supposed to, even after the confusion, it would have at least been an incompletion. Like I've said, it was a slip screen to Young. You can see Hock pushing one guy and then sealing the edge and Easley blocking at the top. I think Fant was supposed to block his guy. He maybe was supposed to run his guy off to the post, but after his late start that wasn't going to happen, so it would have been nice if he just blocked the guy. They play wasn't to him, so I don't know why he turns around again.
Oh, and Young looks like he slightly stumbles, doesn't stay flat enough and doesn't turn quick enough after the stumble. Great audible if it's called quickly enough, absolute disaster of an execution.
Secondly, we tried to call a time-out, which should have been granted or a penalty called for the coach being way out on the field. They had plenty of time to give the time-out. They call time outs later than that to ice kickers.
Also, which no one has brought up, the play should have been blown dead for a false start. Watch it again. The players MUST become set for a second before the ball is snapped, but Fant never gets set and is in fact moving his feet prior to ball being snapped. Hock is turned and looking at Stanley, turns back right before the snap, but his hand never gets to the ground and he is certainly not 'set'. Wirfs is turned and looking at the QB right before the ball is snapped and never gets set.
And lastly, if Fant would have just blocked his guy like I think he was supposed to, even after the confusion, it would have at least been an incompletion. Like I've said, it was a slip screen to Young. You can see Hock pushing one guy and then sealing the edge and Easley blocking at the top. I think Fant was supposed to block his guy. He maybe was supposed to run his guy off to the post, but after his late start that wasn't going to happen, so it would have been nice if he just blocked the guy. They play wasn't to him, so I don't know why he turns around again.
Oh, and Young looks like he slightly stumbles, doesn't stay flat enough and doesn't turn quick enough after the stumble. Great audible if it's called quickly enough, absolute disaster of an execution.
Iowa's OC is a dolt who shoudn't be the OC at Iowa and only is because daddy is the head coach!
You're an idiot. You don't know what play the OC called because the QB audibled out of it.
Sorry I didn't read most of this thread, but the obvious answer to the OP's question is that we had a QB that was locked in like an ICBM missile all day and we had to take advantage of it.
Great analysis. Just one detail — Fant was supposed to be on a pass pattern, taking the safety with him and out of the play, rather than blocking. But your points all stand. Bizarre play that never should have happened — either from a called TO, illegal motion, or maybe even delay of game, although I do think they got the snap off barely in time.
I said later in the post that Fant may have been supposed to be running the guy off, but we don't know because he did neither.
And I'm still confused at to the play clock. They didn't spot the ball or get Penn St. on the right side of the LOS until there was 16 seconds left on the 40 second clock. I can't find the rules on it without downloading the whole NCAA rule book, but something was not right about the whole thing. Iowa didn't even huddle until the ball was spotted (which makes sense) at which time the ref should have signaled to start the 25 second clock is my understanding. We'll get over it, but what a fiasco.
Not a big deal, but players did say post-game that Fant was supposed to be in a pattern on that play.
Weird play in many ways, for sure.
I would disagree, Nate Chandler was clearly faster than Stanley and had the ability to put his shoulder down and run over people. He also was even bigger than Stanley. Of course Stanley wasn't the only problem offensively. The offensive line play was really poor. They did a poor job of protecting Stanley and the run blocking left a lot to be desired for most of the game. I hope they can get it together for purdue.
I don't think the Oline was as bad as you think. Stanley couldn't make decision, has no pocket 'sense', never checked down to wide open backs, and won't run the ball. They can't protect all day and he has to able to sense pressure and step away from it. He was a mess Saturday and you could tell on the first play! He had all day to throw and then throws it to no one WITHOUT EVER MOVING HIS DAMN FEET for an intentional grounding. He didn't get any better after that IMO.
Are you trying to say we have a higher risked at getting a penalty when we run the ball then if we pass the ball? Am I missing something here?
Oh, also I'd like to go back and replay the pass play. It sounds like we had called a run play and Stanley changed it at the last second. The coaches should have seen him changing it with less than 4 seconds to go and they should have taken the time out. Run the damn ball on the three yard line and on first down...I guess just win the last four games and we'll all be happy until the play off...
What I'm puzzled about is why the kid from PSU fell down after the Int. ? He could've took it to the house with easy.
Right on. Toren Young or our FB right up the gut for the first two tries at least.
Maybe there should be times where BF says run play as called and no change in such a situation.
EXACTLY!! How was there at least not a flag thrown on this play? Given it would have bailed us out, but there was a ton of movement and the play never should have even gotten off.
It had absolutely was and had to be....there is no way in the history of good coaching was this not a run. 110 damn percent this was a run.
Sorry, just seeing this argument. The post game interviews from the players explained that the original play call was a pass play. They audible was to kill that call and check into a different play, which was a flare route to the RB. Since Fant was relaying the signal to the outside receiver right at the snap, he didn't come off the ball and run his route to the back of the end zone, so his man was right there to pick it off. The throw was hurried and off the mark, so it would have been incomplete if not intercepted.
This, exactly this. He blew it, hope he learns from it and moves on. It could have been "blown" on a run play too.
Run on first down? Fans complain. Safe pass (blown) on first? Fans complain.
That is exactly what I saw and thought live. That wasn't a pass to Fant, it was to the RB, Fant just happened to be standing there, which as you say, didn't draw the defender away. It was a likely touchdown or harmless incomplete. The play was killed solely by the decision of Stanley to rush it.
As someone pointed out, I think he read the defense correctly, wanted to change in to a great look, and then panicked.
He read it right, just awful/rushed execution. Got the corner to blitz, Fant runs his guy off and should be an easy td to young as there would have been nobody there. Hockensen picks up actually both LBs trying to get out there.
Completely agree. That is what I thought and saw live. My thoughts afterward won't be repeated.
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