Recently Politico did hit piece on Carson where they said he admitted to fabricating a story about being admitted to West Point. All the other on line press picked it up as truth. Carson and his team came out aggressively to debunk the lie and laid out the facts. Politico is now backing off and has changed the headline and their story. But the lie sticks in the mind of the low information voter as truth. No wonder the press is held is lower regards than even politicians.
How the Dems lie
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The press is not held in high regard and for good reason. I think it happened when "clicks" became the standard of how successful you are.
Given that the story is mostly correct and Carson looks like he is guilty of the same thing that Politico did - reaching to make something seem like more than it it.
Given that the story is mostly correct and Carson looks like he is guilty of the same thing that Politico did - reaching to make something seem like more than it it.
Terrific illustration of this in this morning's Cedar Rapids Gazette. Big, bold headline says "Ben Carson was never accepted at West Point." Well, neither was LC. And like Ben Carson, LC never claimed he was accepted, and to the contrary, said he never applied.
What a colossal piece of crap story this is. And I'm not a Carson supporter, nor am I suggesting he hasn't said things that cause face-palms coast-to-coast. In this case, though, it was a dishonest hit piece that quickly took on a life of its own because the MSM want to destroy the uppity candidate.
What a colossal piece of crap story this is. And I'm not a Carson supporter, nor am I suggesting he hasn't said things that cause face-palms coast-to-coast. In this case, though, it was a dishonest hit piece that quickly took on a life of its own because the MSM want to destroy the uppity candidate.
But but just ask ciggy or natural or any of our other resident liberals. There is no media bias. It doesn't exist, except of course Fox News. Everyone else is completely objective. Just the Republicans being a bunch of babies
I admit there is bias. It's biased towards selling advertising. Follow the money, that's who controls the media.
I agree that the fabrication headline was total bs. Doesn't change the fact that DBC is a huge liar and in all likelihood lied about West Point.
After a week of digging, erroneously using the word "scholarship" instead of "appointment" in a brief passage of his book the biggest speck of dirt they could find on him?
Seeing how he didn't go into the military, failing to use the correct military jargon when recounting something that happened decades ago is a "lie"?
His closet must be pretty damn clean.
I dont think this is a big deal, but you are nuts if you think this is a dem thing. The right does this all the time.
I'm not in camp w/ the left philosophically, but the right can't find a GD sane candidate to run OR the Republican machine can't find someone to stay on point that's sane at the same time. Either way, Carson invites this crap as does HRC w/ her lack of hesitancy to make isht up conversationally.
If that were true more of the MSM would lean a little on the con side. The only network that treats them as adults rather than idiot iS FNC. To libs the news is not about profit it about telling the liberal story( even if they have to tell lies) As an example one of the biggest stories in the country now is the failure of all the coops that administer ACA. That's almost on a news blackout not cause it would hurt the lefts preferred story
I'm not convinced that the hit piece wasn't started by someone on the right. Interestingly enough currently the right is running against the right and the left against the left until the primaries are done.
I imagine that might be a clue to you that the primary advertising demographic in this nation leans left on most issues. Now if we could just get them to vote, we could solve so many problems.
Millennials are NOT the target audience for the cable news channels or the network nightly news. Old people watch those channels/shows, which is why the ads are primarily for Viagra and other prescription drugs.
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So the piece was in political publication clearly on the political left but a con was the genesis of the story. That's pretty rich
Here is what I said "I'm not convinced that the hit piece wasn't started by someone on the right"
What that says is that I think there is a possibility that it could have been a hit starting from the right. The right has way more to gain on taking him down than the left currently. Let me repeat "possibility." I am sorry if you think I stepped on your right wing victim card.
We all knew that the Gazette became liberal when Mallard Filmore was removed from the comics section. The CR G. is no better then the Press Citizen. How did this happen?
And the Army also calls an appointment to West Point a "full scholarship," at least in the ad I saw.
Good column by Charles Blow on Carson's many lies and distortions, doesn't deal with his many ignorant statements:
Ben Carson appears to have a somewhat complicated relationship with the truth, or at least that is the picture emerging of him as new challenges to the truthfulness of his biography surface.
After Politico checked into Carson’s claim that he had received an offer of a “full scholarship” to West Point, his campaign was forced to concede that he had never actually applied and been granted admission, but the campaign “attempted to recast his previous claims of a full scholarship to the military academy — despite numerous public and written statements to the contrary over the last few decades,” the news outlet reported.
(Politico came under scrutiny itself for the way it initially characterized Carson’s concession.)
On Friday, The Wall Street Journal looked into another episode: “In his 1990 autobiography, ‘Gifted Hands,’ Mr. Carson writes of a Yale psychology professor who told Mr. Carson, then a junior, and the other students in the class — identified by Mr. Carson as Perceptions 301 — that their final exam papers had ‘inadvertently burned,’ requiring all 150 students to retake it. The new exam, Mr. Carson recalled in the book, was much tougher. All the students but Mr. Carson walked out. ‘The professor came toward me. With her was a photographer for the Yale Daily News who paused and snapped my picture,’ Mr. Carson wrote. ‘ “A hoax,” the teacher said. “We wanted to see who was the most honest student in the class.” ’ Mr. Carson wrote that the professor handed him a $10 bill.”
But here is the kicker, according to The Journal: “No photo identifying Mr. Carson as a student ever ran, according to the Yale Daily News archives, and no stories from that era mention a class called Perceptions 301. Yale Librarian Claryn Spies said Friday there was no psychology course by that name or class number during any of Mr. Carson’s years at Yale.”
Sunday on ABC News, Carson claimed to have found the newspaper article about the incident published in the Yale Daily News and said that his campaign planned to release it. But also during that interview, he suggested that his autobiography wasn’t “100 percent accurate.”
And last week, CNN tried to find someone who could corroborate Carson’s account of having tried as a young man to stab a friend. The network interviewed nine friends, classmates and neighbors from Carson’s childhood, but none could remember the outburst. A 10th person initially said he had no recollections of any violent incidents, but when asked directly about the stabbing incident, “said he had heard talk about an incident like that back in those days, but didn’t know ‘if it was just a rumor or what.’ ” That’s clearly not proof that it didn’t happen, but it begs for some proof, anything or anyone (besides Carson), to say that it in fact did happen.
Maybe people might be a bit more willing to excuse some of these biographical blips if Carson hadn’t already been caught being dishonest on so many other subjects during the campaign.
The Journal pointed out that Carson falsely claimed last week in a Facebook post that “Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no elected office experience.” The paper interviewed Benjamin L. Carp, an associate professor of history at Brooklyn College and author of books on the American Revolution. According to The Journal’s article on the matter: “Mr. Carp said Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, John Hancock and many other signers had been elected members of their colonial assemblies, prior to signing the Declaration.”
In comparing the success of his Carson Scholars Fund to other nonprofits, Carson has repeatedly claimed that “nine out of 10 nonprofits fail,” a claim that The Washington Post Fact Checker has rated false with four Pinocchios, the worst rating — what the newspaper simply calls “whoppers.”
Of the 19 claims of Carson the fact checking site PolitiFact has delved into, none have been ruled true and only one mostly true. Indeed most — like Carson’s claim that he “ ‘didn’t have an involvement with’ nutritional supplement company Mannatech” — have either been ruled false or what the site calls “pants on fire,” a statement the site rules as not only not accurate, but “ridiculous.”
Carson has pushed back on the biographical charges with more verve that he has exhibited at any of the debates. That is because the biographical charges don’t simply threaten the Carson campaign, they threaten Carson the corporation — the former I have always contended was simply a vehicle for the latter. Has no one else wondered why Carson’s chief media surrogate isn’t his campaign manager or communications director, but his business manager, Armstrong Williams?
Carson may no longer be a practicing physician, but he is a full-time profiteer, selling his story in books and speeches and paid handsomely to do so. Good work, if you can get it. But these new charges threaten to reduce the legend to a fairy tale, and thereby threaten the checks to be cashed after the votes have been cast.
Media observers seem to me too focused on Ben Carson the candidate. I remain focused on Ben Carson the enterprise, and apparently, so is he.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/opinion/ben-carson-and-the-truth.html?ref=opinion
Ben Carson appears to have a somewhat complicated relationship with the truth, or at least that is the picture emerging of him as new challenges to the truthfulness of his biography surface.
After Politico checked into Carson’s claim that he had received an offer of a “full scholarship” to West Point, his campaign was forced to concede that he had never actually applied and been granted admission, but the campaign “attempted to recast his previous claims of a full scholarship to the military academy — despite numerous public and written statements to the contrary over the last few decades,” the news outlet reported.
(Politico came under scrutiny itself for the way it initially characterized Carson’s concession.)
On Friday, The Wall Street Journal looked into another episode: “In his 1990 autobiography, ‘Gifted Hands,’ Mr. Carson writes of a Yale psychology professor who told Mr. Carson, then a junior, and the other students in the class — identified by Mr. Carson as Perceptions 301 — that their final exam papers had ‘inadvertently burned,’ requiring all 150 students to retake it. The new exam, Mr. Carson recalled in the book, was much tougher. All the students but Mr. Carson walked out. ‘The professor came toward me. With her was a photographer for the Yale Daily News who paused and snapped my picture,’ Mr. Carson wrote. ‘ “A hoax,” the teacher said. “We wanted to see who was the most honest student in the class.” ’ Mr. Carson wrote that the professor handed him a $10 bill.”
But here is the kicker, according to The Journal: “No photo identifying Mr. Carson as a student ever ran, according to the Yale Daily News archives, and no stories from that era mention a class called Perceptions 301. Yale Librarian Claryn Spies said Friday there was no psychology course by that name or class number during any of Mr. Carson’s years at Yale.”
Sunday on ABC News, Carson claimed to have found the newspaper article about the incident published in the Yale Daily News and said that his campaign planned to release it. But also during that interview, he suggested that his autobiography wasn’t “100 percent accurate.”
And last week, CNN tried to find someone who could corroborate Carson’s account of having tried as a young man to stab a friend. The network interviewed nine friends, classmates and neighbors from Carson’s childhood, but none could remember the outburst. A 10th person initially said he had no recollections of any violent incidents, but when asked directly about the stabbing incident, “said he had heard talk about an incident like that back in those days, but didn’t know ‘if it was just a rumor or what.’ ” That’s clearly not proof that it didn’t happen, but it begs for some proof, anything or anyone (besides Carson), to say that it in fact did happen.
Maybe people might be a bit more willing to excuse some of these biographical blips if Carson hadn’t already been caught being dishonest on so many other subjects during the campaign.
The Journal pointed out that Carson falsely claimed last week in a Facebook post that “Every signer of the Declaration of Independence had no elected office experience.” The paper interviewed Benjamin L. Carp, an associate professor of history at Brooklyn College and author of books on the American Revolution. According to The Journal’s article on the matter: “Mr. Carp said Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, John Hancock and many other signers had been elected members of their colonial assemblies, prior to signing the Declaration.”
In comparing the success of his Carson Scholars Fund to other nonprofits, Carson has repeatedly claimed that “nine out of 10 nonprofits fail,” a claim that The Washington Post Fact Checker has rated false with four Pinocchios, the worst rating — what the newspaper simply calls “whoppers.”
Of the 19 claims of Carson the fact checking site PolitiFact has delved into, none have been ruled true and only one mostly true. Indeed most — like Carson’s claim that he “ ‘didn’t have an involvement with’ nutritional supplement company Mannatech” — have either been ruled false or what the site calls “pants on fire,” a statement the site rules as not only not accurate, but “ridiculous.”
Carson has pushed back on the biographical charges with more verve that he has exhibited at any of the debates. That is because the biographical charges don’t simply threaten the Carson campaign, they threaten Carson the corporation — the former I have always contended was simply a vehicle for the latter. Has no one else wondered why Carson’s chief media surrogate isn’t his campaign manager or communications director, but his business manager, Armstrong Williams?
Carson may no longer be a practicing physician, but he is a full-time profiteer, selling his story in books and speeches and paid handsomely to do so. Good work, if you can get it. But these new charges threaten to reduce the legend to a fairy tale, and thereby threaten the checks to be cashed after the votes have been cast.
Media observers seem to me too focused on Ben Carson the candidate. I remain focused on Ben Carson the enterprise, and apparently, so is he.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/09/opinion/ben-carson-and-the-truth.html?ref=opinion
Still no bimbos. The press must be devastated that this is the best they can do.
I am kind of curious of why some of you don't want Ben gone already even if it by means of a hit piece. I would think that your serious candidates would need to bump off your clickbait candidates at some point as we approach the primaries.
I want people "gone" based on their positions on the issues. Not based whether he misremembered something while writing a book.
Could his God stop prisoner interaction from giving him the gay?
There's a whole year left to the election cycle. Things will shake out once primary voters start actually voting.
I think he believes its a function of the market. Supply and demand and all that.
True, we can just wait until February for other people to start to vote before people start to look at serious candidates.
First of all, I believe the death of the landline has made our polling methodologies obsolete. Until we find new ways of doing that, the actual polls are what should matter.
The people on this board aren't like most people. The vast majority of voters aren't paying any attention to this circus yet.
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