I was a couple of rows behind Alli, and Forrest was in the front row at the Oklahoma State meet. It wasn’t necessarily an egregious act but I thought it strange that they wanted security to go talk to Brands while the dual meet was going on. Either way Forrest was escorted out and later snuck back in according to her twitter.
HWC - Women kicked off the team
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I was a couple of rows behind Alli, and Forrest was in the front row at the Oklahoma State meet. It wasn’t necessarily an egregious act but I thought it strange that they wanted security to go talk to Brands while the dual meet was going on. Either way Forrest was escorted out and later snuck back in according to her twitter.
So, much ado about nothing. MicroPenis was just all jacked up to be the first to break some news and stir shit.
The female wrestlers are basically employees of the HWC and represent the HWC. Some here act as though they have no responsibility and are entitled to their position and salaries. Employees are frequently evaluated. If the employee does not represent the employer or are a detriment to the employer, they may lose their job.
It is the Brands’ and HWC’s responsibly to make sure those being paid by and representing the HWC are following the rules and representing appropriately. If they are partying and taking the HWC money without dedicating themselves to wrestling, an evaluation is 100% the right thing to do.
Let’s all throw Brands under the bus for doing his job and making sure his wrestlers/employees are doing their jobs and representing their employer in an appropriate fashion. If the wrestlers do what they are being paid to do (or agree to change in the future), there is no problem. If one/some of the female wrestlers are not willing to cut out the partying and do what is required to keep their job, so be it.
Their funding was not cut. One/some of them were unwilling to change their behavior to keep their job.
It is the Brands’ and HWC’s responsibly to make sure those being paid by and representing the HWC are following the rules and representing appropriately. If they are partying and taking the HWC money without dedicating themselves to wrestling, an evaluation is 100% the right thing to do.
Let’s all throw Brands under the bus for doing his job and making sure his wrestlers/employees are doing their jobs and representing their employer in an appropriate fashion. If the wrestlers do what they are being paid to do (or agree to change in the future), there is no problem. If one/some of the female wrestlers are not willing to cut out the partying and do what is required to keep their job, so be it.
Their funding was not cut. One/some of them were unwilling to change their behavior to keep their job.
I'll listen to the show later on to see if I get this same vibe, but if this is true, wow. Willie should have his access to the club/team removed permanently, including anyone who wants to associate with him (looking at you IAWrestle). What a ****ing joke, and I can see why Alli got the ultimatum by the way she spread (along with help from this Pat guy and Willie) this misinformation. Your true character always comes out.
I asked earlier if people were insinuating that Alli was lying. If this info is true, then yeah sounds like she did. And Gilman can pound sand if he wants to pick sides against Brands on this one.
You could tell that she wanted to be diplomatic with her answers, likely because she is friends with her teammates and will have to continue to train with them at ASU. But she set the record straight and you don't really have to read between the lines at all.
I was only able to hear parts of Kayla so far, but it seems like Brands only fault here may have been bad communication. I personally feel a lot better about it (not that it matters to anyone, I'm just a guy).
I want the NLWC to support more women (they have Alma Valencia - Mexican team athlete and married to Jaime Espinal), and my home state to do way more with girls wrestling, but the PIAA is in the Stone Age. Supporting women’s wrestling will help men’s wrestling - I truly believe that.
It was pretty cool that you had this nucleus, but I understand the issues here. Crazy, offseason drama
Listened and heard Perry did not leave because of the girls..the girls are leaving to follow Perry.
The girls were welcomed to stay and would have to adhere to a code of conduct which she said was not directed at her.
That Tom/ coaches she know would be in her corner and that she knows Iowa supports womens wrestling and wouldn't be surprised if they bring in others( but they would have to be tough minded)
That Flo makes a very good case that HWC has been a leader in supporting these women and women's wrestling and that business decisions are made and Tom might not have communicated it clearly to others as well as he did to her.
It seams clear that at least a individual(s) were bringing the HWC club down and not adhering to standard expectations.
The girls were welcomed to stay and would have to adhere to a code of conduct which she said was not directed at her.
That Tom/ coaches she know would be in her corner and that she knows Iowa supports womens wrestling and wouldn't be surprised if they bring in others( but they would have to be tough minded)
That Flo makes a very good case that HWC has been a leader in supporting these women and women's wrestling and that business decisions are made and Tom might not have communicated it clearly to others as well as he did to her.
It seams clear that at least a individual(s) were bringing the HWC club down and not adhering to standard expectations.
I think the only mistake Brands made was hiring Perry in the first place. Liked to party with the wrestlers and didn’t work as hard as he should have. Welcome to Daniel Dennis!
The cowbell was harmless fun. Forrest and the girls drove to Ames to support our college guys. Forrest got kicked out of Hilton for ringing the cowbell. It wasn't a problem until Iowa got a big lead. Our athletes loved it. I loved it. The Iowa fans loved it so much that one of them mailed Forrest a bigger cowbell. It was all a harmless joke when she took the new and improved cowbell to a home meet. No they shouldn't have asked security to speak with Tom if that occurred. Some fans hate that stuff, others love it.
Ali deserves her scrutiny for how she handled the situation. I will be rooting for any of the girls who left in a respectful manner.
Some poster said Brands is a poor CEO. I travel with the team, and can say you couldn't be further mistaken. The guy is the consummate CEO.
Ali deserves her scrutiny for how she handled the situation. I will be rooting for any of the girls who left in a respectful manner.
Some poster said Brands is a poor CEO. I travel with the team, and can say you couldn't be further mistaken. The guy is the consummate CEO.
Regarding what happened here, he could have communicated that the funding was going to be reevaluated based on the athlete's decisions about comporting with expectations set on them. Not a major thing, but a small issue that blew up into a larger issue. He didn't have to get into specifics, but the representation was that nothing had happened, and something had definitely happened, and it appears it was something pretty reasonable on Iowa/Brands' part.
I think most of us liked having the girls on HWC. I am still open to it. If this had happened at NLWC your whole board would be I trust Caels judgment if there was some sort of cancer in the room. And Brands saying just barley anything is more talk than you would get from Cael. We know these coaches aren't about airing dirty laundry and throwing one individual under the bus.
Its so easy to jump to conclusions on this type of situation. I mean I hate Duke so much...I was ready to buy and sell that lacrosse story off the bat to justify my hatred of a university that I am tired of watching win at basketball. Pat and Willie showed there true colors by having to guys bond together to become unified in one hate. Thats what Ive learned the last few days.
Yeah I agree, likely could have been done better by him but the girls all could have went to Brands one on one and found out it wasn't a blanket for everyone and that some may be retained after that cut off date and what that may require or look like. Seems Ali jumped to conclusions. Believe someone is selling a mat for that.
And in regards to that comment from Brands. Hate on him all you want for that little info but ask that same question to Cael and you get even less of an answer. Both coaches know whats good or bad for the programs. Besides if there was something going on the we all know Kemdog would sniff that out. pun intended. But seriously Brands is trying to protect a culture that he finally got the way he wanted, with the right athletes. We may not be privy to that.
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There are lots of things that could be considered 'harmless fun' by college athletes and some fans. It wouldn't be an issue for me as a fan. But if the coach/employer/ceo says that it crosses the line then it crosses the line. If they feel it doesn't present a good look or doesn't fit what they are looking for in their employees then the employees are left with 2 choices, stay and modify the behavior or leave. In this instance they chose to leave. Do you think KF would be happy if someone employed by the football program was asked to leave a game due to their behavior and then asked security to go talk to KF? The fact that someone sent a bigger cowbell has little relevance to the situation. It appears that the behaviors was becoming an issue. You travel with the team, has Tom ever commented on their behavior?
I am looking forward to someone working in a reference to seven pieces of flair (minimum), TPS reports, a red Swingline stapler, and PC LOAD LETTER (WTF is that?!).
Maybe you can work on that this weekend because we are going to need you to come in.
going to ask me to work on Sunday and I’m going to do it because I’m an orange
So you are calling Alli Ragan a liar? She literally said she's leaving because she wasn't given a choice in the matter and was "let go" and told only being paid up until August- now you're telling everyone she's leaving because her coach left. Which is it? You are putting words in her mouth when she clearly spoke on why she's lying. And it had to do with funding... Special kind of stubborn here. Just accept the fact that all they girls were told being funded until end of July- and miracle was only one who got a separate call saying that she could potentially stay after that and continue being funded, "she thinks"... So to try and try and try to frame this up as they all left because their coach left, is well, just a lie.
You are calling Alli Ragan a liar by saying that. Kayla Miracle's truth is not the same as Alli's... She didn't speak on the other girls behalf because she was lucky enough to be able to stay and possibly get paid, unlike the others.
It's also amazing these fans aren't asking themselves why Perry left.. It wasn't to take a volunteer assistant position at ASU, I'll tell you that much... This situation played a part in it... That's why it's so comical. These people are so in the dark about their own program and refuse to face the facts head on, kind of like Brands- he sends his former wrestlers to right his battles, publicly. Sad!
Not to mention they were given 3 months notice which is much more than most employers would give.
Bottom line here is you have usual people trying to throw this at an angle to make Iowa look bad. Sounds like Brands had expectations/concerns about things and wanted to make sure people are also on board with those expectations. Whether this stuff is newsworthy or not he is not going to throw that kind of stuff out to the public. A situation like this you could get a different perspective depending on how the message relates to a person. You have one view where they felt a sense of rejection by this and another person who did not. If a person is already in line with the message then chances are it will have little affect. If not then it will have a far greater impact. Pretty easy to do the math here in regards to what is what. Brands is not in the wrong for communicating his expectations, what impact they have is going to be an individual response depending how it relates to them. Brands is not going to clarify the situation by airing specific reason's for expressing his expectations just to indulge certain undesirable elements who like to turn anything they can into anti Iowa.
Keep grasping and trying to keep this boring story going loser. Someone mistakenly gave you an ounce of info for once and you are going to beat this nothing story into the ground. You are not important.
You left out the part about also being head coach of one top freestyle clubs as well troll boy.
"He will serve as the voluntary assistant coach in Tempe while also taking over as the head coach for Sunkist Wrestling Club."
Mr. Micropenis! So glad you're back to discuss this further. I'm not necessarily calling her or anyone else a liar, but she clearly misunderstood what was being laid out to their group and responded like an idiot by running a twisted version of the story to a piece of shit like you. They're leaving because Perry is leaving, and if they want to stay they'd continue to be paid.
shift, shift, shift.....
So in this post you
1. Change the narrative to Perry is now the scandal...look over here folks
2. Denigrate an ASU position that Frank the Tank thought was a good job to take as well. NLWC guy takes job good. HWC takes it bad. even though HWC is also grabbing hold of the reigns of a well funded premier club team.
3. These people huh. Shows your pre concieved hate and agenda of Iowa and their fanbase. Why aren't more people outraged and backing you Pat? Oter than a select few like Matter on BWI most PSU fans see it for what it is. btw Brands could donate his salary to charity and Matter would still complain about him. Brands and Rutgers!
4. Brands didn't send any girl to talk for him. He hasn't even talked to her in awhile, she even said that. Her last contact was from a guy on the team. How dense are you. You think Flo wouldn't reach out to try to get any of the girls on FRL? I would hope they would. If I was Bader Id fire them if they didn't try to.
Mineo has no graceful exit from his Iowa bashing. It will be interesting to see his reports going forward.
Good luck to him getting access to one of the top programs in the country in years to come.
This whole saga is nothing but him trying to be relevant.
Good luck to him getting access to one of the top programs in the country in years to come.
This whole saga is nothing but him trying to be relevant.
I tried to allude to that in an earlier post concerning a female member of the team getting kicked out of an Iowa dual. Is that considered normal behavior? Does that represent the team in a manner to be proud of?
I’m not an insider, but I could smell potential problems from here in Oregon.
Even if it is no big deal Brands has people to answer to no matter what his opinion on it is and if they get wind of stuff like this they are going to be in his ear about it.
So "we're paying you until August" turns into "if they want to stay they would continue to get paid" in your eyes? My goodness, you can't fix stupid.
Nope he doesn't have any graceful exit. He has a mental disorder that wont allow that or express regret. At least Willy has the awareness to not die on this hill.
You've made that abundantly clear.
Do you refuse to acknowledge the part where she said she feels she still would have a home after august at HWC and that a guy from the team called and told her so. The other 3 girls may not have been there after august without changes.
But again why don't you report on if any of those 3 girls have had direct one on one conversations with Brands on if there was a way to stay? Its because they didn't try. Why would they if Perry was leaving and that's their guy. Like Kayla said the timing of Perry leaving escalated this and it looks worse and everyone should chill. Why cant you chill Pat?
Micropenis- Not sure how many different people have to state this before you realize that your source only provided you with a fraction of the full reality of the situation. They were told they have until August to evaluate themselves and whether they wanted to be there or not, and would be paid until that point while making their choice. If they wanted to stay, live, and train the right way within the HWC system, then they'd continue on after August. The disconnect wasn't financial, it was a matter of certain individuals perhaps not buying into the culture, program, and lifestyle the way Brands expects members of the club and team to.
Kayla said she's not leaving because she wouldn't be taken care of financially, but because Mark Perry is her personal coach and she's following him. She said they are not eliminating womens wrestling or funding for it within the club, that they continue to support it, and would likely invite women to train there in the future if they are a good fit for the program.
I’m not so sure heavy drinking and getting jacked from an Iowa wrestling dual are signs of “no big deal.” Especially as the person involved is being paid to represent HWC.
I don’t believe the incident in question was the only issue, but what would happen to you if you got kicked out of a public event hosted by your employer? And then you made sure your boss had to deal with it in the middle of the very public event?
Im guessing this might just be the visible part of an iceberg above the water line..
NO, IT ALL MATTERED! Just not to you...not what you wanted to hear.
