I despise Fran's quick hook with Joe T
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Joe Toussaint is playing in the Big Ten, but he will never lead Iowa to where their fans would like Iowa to finish. Just too out of control with no consistent shot at all. That Iowa State freshmen completely out classed him and shows how Fran and his staff can't recruit or coach.
I would say bad game for JoeT. He does have a tendency to dribble too much and try to do too much
with the dribble. Really poor game. Heck, CMAC could have played point and done as well today.
with the dribble. Really poor game. Heck, CMAC could have played point and done as well today.
I agree to an extent. I will say though Joe is just really inconsistent, and it’s pretty evident early on whether he is going to struggle or be a game changer
Hes just not a very good ballhandler.
The balls always up around his shoulders.
He can't harness his explosiveness because he can't dribble well enough.
And for as quick as he is he also isn't a great defender.
Id much rather see him play than Bohannon though.
The balls always up around his shoulders.
He can't harness his explosiveness because he can't dribble well enough.
And for as quick as he is he also isn't a great defender.
Id much rather see him play than Bohannon though.
I mean, that's one of the things Fran did well. Toussaint is out of control.
Joe T and Keegan should lead our team in minutes. He's by far our best ball handler and on the ball defender. For my entire life as an iowa fan, i want a player who can beat anyone off the dribble at any time. He's going to make mistakes but he needs plaaaaying tiiiime to get better and this team is so much better with him playing.
So painfully obvious both murrays, perkins and joe t should log a heavy majority of our minutes... but fran likes playing hockey
So painfully obvious both murrays, perkins and joe t should log a heavy majority of our minutes... but fran likes playing hockey
At the beginning of the season I thought Fran was doing a good job with rotations. But honestly, the last three games I've come around to your line of thinking. Rebraca doesn't bring much, but he is our best rebounder. Pat Mac, bad on defense and forces things waaaayyyyyy too much on offense. JBO can't get open consistently against good teams. It sucks having to wait for the 12 minute mark in the first half to feel like we're going to start getting our best players on the floor not named Keegan.
Joe T, Perkins, Murrays and Rebraca would be my five.
I don't have a problem with it except it's only certain players that Fran has a quick hook too. Patrick should have been hooked before Joe T in the second half. Fran has always been like this though. He's loyal to certain players and has a short leash with others. It's funny you don't see him give the quick hook for defense or poor rebounding it's only offensive related things.
I don't think it's as easy as saying he can't dribble very well.
Joe dribbling around the floor is like someone trying to get a glass out of their cupboard, get their gallon of chocolate milk out of the fridge (because regular milk sucks), and then try to pour a glass..............all while sprinting as fast as you can without ever stopping.
That's Joe when he dribbles.
isaiah moss comes to mind. Would not surprise me in the least if joe transfers out too.
I like Joe and his playing attitude. Unfortunately, blow by speed isn't an asset if you don't have a pretty good idea of where you are going and what you're going to do when you get there.
This is off subject, but someone(s) has mentioned our recruiting. McCaffery obviously is not real comfortable about the transfer portal, but should be. It's a way of life now that players can move from team to team (sometimes actually recruited to do so), so he can't just ignore a way to quickly improve his team.
I think it is high time there needs to be a change or an addition to the basketball staff that would include someone who understands the portal and has the charisma to actually attract players to come to a pretty attractive venue. If that individual can also teach rebounding and defense, so much the better. But like the football team, it is obvious somethings need to change.
This is off subject, but someone(s) has mentioned our recruiting. McCaffery obviously is not real comfortable about the transfer portal, but should be. It's a way of life now that players can move from team to team (sometimes actually recruited to do so), so he can't just ignore a way to quickly improve his team.
I think it is high time there needs to be a change or an addition to the basketball staff that would include someone who understands the portal and has the charisma to actually attract players to come to a pretty attractive venue. If that individual can also teach rebounding and defense, so much the better. But like the football team, it is obvious somethings need to change.
Zach McCabe comes to mind as a Fran doghouse player. I remember in the off season the quotes that this was Joe T's team, he was going to get a long leash. That's why his teams become passive, too many guys know if they make 1 mistake Fran will bury them on the bench.
Don't see that happening. Joe has stated multiple times how much he loves it at Iowa. The whole school experience somewhere that's just about the complete opposite of the Bronx. Basketball is just one part of that experience.
Hope you’re right. Cj frederick said he was committed to staying, 1 day b4 he entered the portal. Things change.
Movement on o was nearly non existent. Way to much iso, which is the opposite of our strength. Hard for a pg to pass to guys that are standing around
ulis has been good off the bench though so not sure the short patience has anything to do with joe and more about who is behind him.
I agree with everything you said except for your last comment. While I do not really like Bohannon at the point, he is one of the few clutch players on the team and he doesn't play out of control. JT's ball handling abilities do not match his quickness and that gets him into trouble more often than not. You just can't turn the ball over as often as he does. Ulis will take over soon I'm afraid.
Im not afraid of that I welcome it.
I like Joe but to me his ceiling has always been back up pg. And I wouldn't mind seeing him with some other ball handler in the game to take some of the pressure off.
This teams best offense is its press. Pressing the ballhandler and then letting the Murrays intercept the passes.
The pressure doesn't work nearly as well with JBO in.
I just don't care about "clutch". He forces a lot of bad shots late in games too.
This team can't shoot - without Bohannon at least being a threat from the outside, good luck. They won't be getting the regular wide open looks they got in the early games anymore. Except for the few cupcakes they have left. Yes, Bohannon is limited but at least he showed up last night.
For the most part you have to beat that kind of tight defense with the dribble.
You can't pick the ball up to pass with a defender in your jersey.
The problem is he can't do it consistently.
If thats showing up I'll pass.
You're going to get your wish though.
Fran certainly isn't going to change anything.
We don't know why players get pulled, and we don't know why it seems different between players. I don't think it's loyalty - I believe it's trust.
It's not simply a question of not playing well. If a player is told to do a certain thing and doesn't do it, he's going to get pulled.
They sure aren’t getting pulled for a lack of effort rebounding, or on defense, that’s for dam sure! We can comfortably go 10 deep and Fran seems perfectly fine watching guys not play hard…but man, lookout when you have a poor turnover your ass will be planted on the bench so fast! Rather have guys on the floor give 100% even if that means a few extra turnovers
IMO Joe tries too hard, tries to go too fast, over dribbling, penetrating too deep and losing sight of passing lanes, etc. As a point guard he should control/run the team's offense and determine when to go and when to hold up. He tends to become rattled and force things and the offense/ball stops. His defense and floor skills are good. Just my take as an old ex-point guard. I was hoping he would mature, but this is year three.
I cant imagine someone could watch Joe t play lately and think he should be playing more. he has trouble standing up lately.
Guys like Joe shouldn't
And my frustration is compounded by effing CMac, who makes a mistake but doesn't get benched. Difference is CMac brings NOTHING to the table.
FREE JOE T
Please. He hit the game winner against Virginia and has since played 16-16-12 minutes. Players like Joe T need to get freakin playing time to work through these issues.. Benching him for a bad turnover completely kills his confidence and then he's walking on egg shells, or trying to force it because of lack of playing time.
And my frustration is compounded by effing CMac, who makes a mistake but doesn't get benched. Difference is CMac brings NOTHING to the table.
FREE JOE T
I think the deal last night was that Fran was calling some sets and Joe was not running the sets or not running them properly. A coach cannot have a player out there who is not listening to him. I really love Joe T. More than most, but he has to do what he is coached to do.
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I like Joe T, but Ulis is more consistent at running the offense, ball handling, decision making and playing defense. Joe is more of a scorer (barely) at this stage but Ulis will continue to get better in that regard.
Joe commits too many fouls and while he does have more steals, he also puts all his eggs in that basket. Ulis does a better job of playing solid defense, and is especially effective in our aggressive full court press.
I keep hearing how out of control Joe is, bad ball handling, dribbles too much. Much of that was because of Iowa States defense. Guys were not getting open, nobody to pass it to. He probes the defense like no one on this team can, then passes it out and guys often times have open shots. It's not his fault if those shots are not made. I agree it doesn't look good sometimes, but remember he has the most assist per game, and only turns the ball over 1.1 times a game. Granted that, along with Kegan is highest on the team, but 1 turnover per game for your starting point guard is something any team would love to have. If you have to bench him to get him under control, do it sit him a couple minutes, and get him back in. But 12 minutes for the game isn't helping the team at all. Between Ulis, Perkins, and Joe, 2 of the 3 of them need to be on the floor at all times against teams like Iowa State.
It just seems like Joe’s turnovers are so glaring….almost obnoxious type, which is a bummer for him. I like Joe T!!!
Joe is nothing more then a A-10 kind of player. He neither has a dependable shot nor is smooth with the dribble. Like JBO he's easy to shoot over and really provides nothing for the offense.
I suppose you would rather have Joe then the freshman point guard that Iowa State ran at us on Thursday? Please tell me witch one do you think has a future ahead of them. Year 3 and Joe is going backwards like Connor has, just what we need from our guards....
I suppose you would rather have Joe then the freshman point guard that Iowa State ran at us on Thursday? Please tell me witch one do you think has a future ahead of them. Year 3 and Joe is going backwards like Connor has, just what we need from our guards....
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