I despise Fran's quick hook with Joe T

[archmage2002]

It's quite simple why Toussaint has such a short leash compared to other players. Toussaint gets yanked because he doesn't run the offense and instead forces a drive with it leading to a TO by him. The pattern is very clear with what gets him yanked to, he drives in too fast/deep and turns it over, followed by him either fouling on D because he tried to make up for it or he drives in once again too fast/deep turning it over. If he fouls on D Fran usually gives him another chance to run the offense but if he drives in again going too fast/deep turning it over again then Fran yanks him.

Fran usually gives players long leash's on most actions on the court but he has a very short leash when it comes to certain behaviors. Not running the offense, dribbling the ball too much, not passing it, and turning the ball over while trying to do 1v1 will drive him crazy with anger. Toussaint usually manages to do all 4 of those at once! Kinda surprised Fran hasn't murdered Toussaint yet because Toussaint seems to do it multiple times a game.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

Joe is nothing more then a A-10 kind of player. He neither has a dependable shot nor is smooth with the dribble. Like JBO he's easy to shoot over and really provides nothing for the offense.
I suppose you would rather have Joe then the freshman point guard that Iowa State ran at us on Thursday? Please tell me witch one do you think has a future ahead of them. Year 3 and Joe is going backwards like Connor has, just what we need from our guards....

Good post. How much of this is really a Joe T. or even a PG issue vs. a poorly balanced roster + bad offense? Rebraca gives up too much size to establish himself in the post. Rebraca struggles to score when he does get post feeds. Rebraca parks himself in the paint, which allows his defender to double Keegan or help on drives.

I am not picking on Rebraca, just pointing out that all the Garza post feeds have gone away and the offense isn't adjusting. Get Rebraca out of the paint. Fran told us has a great mid-range game + 3-point game, so get him and his defender away from the basket. Rebraca is a tough guards for a big in space. Use him on pick and pops or run some Aaron White baseline lob sets for him. Rebraca's guy is able to float to help and that is causing problems for Keegan, Kris and the guards. They make a good initial move to beat their guy, but there is help on the back side.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

It's quite simple why Toussaint has such a short leash compared to other players. Toussaint gets yanked because he doesn't run the offense and instead forces a drive with it leading to a TO by him. The pattern is very clear with what gets him yanked to, he drives in too fast/deep and turns it over, followed by him either fouling on D because he tried to make up for it or he drives in once again too fast/deep turning it over. If he fouls on D Fran usually gives him another chance to run the offense but if he drives in again going too fast/deep turning it over again then Fran yanks him.

Fran usually gives players long leash's on most actions on the court but he has a very short leash when it comes to certain behaviors. Not running the offense, dribbling the ball too much, not passing it, and turning the ball over while trying to do 1v1 will drive him crazy with anger. Toussaint usually manages to do all 4 of those at once! Kinda surprised Fran hasn't murdered Toussaint yet because Toussaint seems to do it multiple times a game.

Fair points, but what is Joe supposed to do in Fran's offense? This is turning into Iowa football where everyone blames the QB because the scheme sucks and we can't run or pass block. When Iowa isn't getting open looks from 3 (and making them) they look like a rec league team. ISU hounded Jbo, got up into everybody defensively and had Rebraca's guy jumping Keegan/Kris with back side help.

IMO, it's a compatibility issue. I love Joe T's grit and effort, but his game is suited for up-tempo get it and go basketball. He plays best in the open court when he can drive and finish in transition vs. into the teeth of the defense and/or kick it out on the wing to an open shooter. None of these things happen in Fran's stagnant half-court offense.

Fran's teams play poor D, don't rebound well and lack a rim protector. You may not need all 3, but you sure as hell need 2 of 3 to get transition opportunities. Dribbling it up the court fast after an opponent's made basket is not a fast break. Iowa doesn't have enough skilled 1:1 guys to create in the half court (again), which is why they flat line against tight man D.

 

[Steve Waite]

Hes just not a very good ballhandler.

The balls always up around his shoulders.

He can't harness his explosiveness because he can't dribble well enough.

And for as quick as he is he also isn't a great defender.

Id much rather see him play than Bohannon though.

You do realize JBo was our leading scorer with 17 and JT had 0?
The problem with this team is our PG play is very average!

 

[archmage2002]

Fair points, but what is Joe supposed to do in Fran's offense? This is turning into Iowa football where everyone blames the QB because the scheme sucks and we can't run or pass block. When Iowa isn't getting open looks from 3 (and making them) they look like a rec league team. ISU hounded Jbo, got up into everybody defensively and had Rebraca's guy jumping Keegan/Kris with back side help.

IMO, it's a compatibility issue. I love Joe T's grit and effort, but his game is suited for up-tempo get it and go basketball. He plays best in the open court when he can drive and finish in transition vs. into the teeth of the defense and/or kick it out on the wing to an open shooter. None of these things happen in Fran's stagnant half-court offense.

Fran's teams play poor D, don't rebound well and lack a rim protector. You may not need all 3, but you sure as hell need 2 of 3 to get transition opportunities. Dribbling it up the court fast after an opponent's made basket is not a fast break. Iowa doesn't have enough skilled 1:1 guys to create in the half court (again), which is why they flat line against tight man D.

Umm, the stagnant half-court offense is exactly what Joe T is failing at. It's the PG's responsibility to get the stagnant offense moving, either by shooting, passing, or driving in but too many times that doesn't happen when Joe T is involved.

Joe T can pass, drive or even shoot to kickstart the offense but he has a bad habit of dribbling the ball for a long time while attempting to probe the defense which results in a stagnant offense. He also has a bad habit when driving of stopping his dribble in no man's land, that area of the floor where 90% of his TO's happen. That spot on the floor is the worse possible place to be when driving(hence why the D attempts to angle you there) because you're too far away for a good shot, it's a bad shooting angle, passing lanes are horrible and it is easy to double or even triple-team you there. Joe T needs to either maintain his dribble in that spot so he can pull out(slow down in other words) or he needs to force a different angle. So far he has consistently done neither, hence yanked.

With JBo as PG its shoot or pass so the driving decision is taken off the table. This is the reason why sticky man-to-man defense can bother Iowa because JBo can only drive when there is a large driving lane available and it's up to the other Iowa players to be the drivers, which most of them are not good at it either.

I actually think driving is the reason why PMac is a starter, he is tall enough to get his shot off on almost any defender and he is a good enough ball-handler that he won't lose the ball while driving. The bad with that is he will never pass that ball, it's a shot at the basket no matter crazy of a shot it has to be.. the back to the basket scoop no-look shot is coming if he hasn't already attempted it.

 

[BirdistheWord]

Joe is nothing more then a A-10 kind of player. He neither has a dependable shot nor is smooth with the dribble. Like JBO he's easy to shoot over and really provides nothing for the offense.
I suppose you would rather have Joe then the freshman point guard that Iowa State ran at us on Thursday? Please tell me witch one do you think has a future ahead of them. Year 3 and Joe is going backwards like Connor has, just what we need from our guards....

To be fair, Joe's has improved in a few areas:

FG%
FR 38%
SO 42%
JR 47%

3PFG%
FR 30%
SO 20%
JR 44%

ASST
FR 2.9
SO 2.4
JR 3.7

And his turnovers have declined each year.

His points per game are slightly down vs freshman year as are his rebounds.

The challenge with Joe is that his ceiling seems to have largely been reached. He definitely has a role on this team given his general defensive productivity and quickness. But IMHO Ulis has more upside to be gained and is closer to the pure point guard we need.

 

[RocknRollface]

Good post. How much of this is really a Joe T. or even a PG issue vs. a poorly balanced roster + bad offense? Rebraca gives up too much size to establish himself in the post. Rebraca struggles to score when he does get post feeds. Rebraca parks himself in the paint, which allows his defender to double Keegan or help on drives.

I am not picking on Rebraca, just pointing out that all the Garza post feeds have gone away and the offense isn't adjusting. Get Rebraca out of the paint. Fran told us has a great mid-range game + 3-point game, so get him and his defender away from the basket. Rebraca is a tough guards for a big in space. Use him on pick and pops or run some Aaron White baseline lob sets for him. Rebraca's guy is able to float to help and that is causing problems for Keegan, Kris and the guards. They make a good initial move to beat their guy, but there is help on the back side.

Joe's issues are his issues but I agree on getting Rebraca out of the lane.

If they were ever going to give him the ball that would be one thing but he gets about 1 post touch a game but stands in the lane most of the time.

Id prefer Fran simplify his offense with this personnel.

Less motion more high screen and roll.

 

[RocknRollface]

You do realize JBo was our leading scorer with 17 and JT had 0?
The problem with this team is our PG play is very average!

He shot 12 times made 4 and played 31 minutes.

Jbo sucks at defense and he is easy to defend. Thats what he is.

If it were up to me I would never have taken him in the first place and certainly
not taken him back for a 6th year. All of his 3pt shots have amounted to nothing of significance. His pathetic defense killed Iowa in the ncaa last year.

The problem with this team is quite a few things, pg play is way down the list.

Ulis is clearly the best option at pg.

 

[eyesofhawk]

I've been frustrated with Fran's quick hook on Joe for years now.

At times frustrated with Joe repeating the same mistakes. But then circle back to the fact that it's hard for a player to have the confidence and comfort level to improve when he is continuously being yanked.

But for the record, Perkins was playing the point during the possessions in the ISU game in which the backcourt was he and JBo

 

[2432Hawk]

Ball got stuck too often last night.

ISU did a great job of icing and keeping the ball on one side, that's why JT as well as others struggled to get any offensive flow, we ended up to much in 1 on 1 or quick shots which played right into ISU's plans.

our offense flows off ball reversals and cutting off ball

 

[e720718998]

I like Joe but he is probably the 4th best guard on the team. I'm not sure what the one thing he does well as a plus skill. He is ok at a few things but is probably more in line for 15min a night.

 

[Steve Waite]

He shot 12 times made 4 and played 31 minutes.

Jbo sucks at defense and he is easy to defend. Thats what he is.

If it were up to me I would never have taken him in the first place and certainly
not taken him back for a 6th year. All of his 3pt shots have amounted to nothing of significance. His pathetic defense killed Iowa in the ncaa last year.

The problem with this team is quite a few things, pg play is way down the list.

Ulis is clearly the best option at pg.

Agreed regarding Jbo, but it’s what we have to work with.
In my opinion, Fran had recruited very poorly at the PG position. You and I differ because PG is the most important player on the team.
Name me one team that has one won the National Championships without great PG play?
I’ll hangup and listen,

 

[RocknRollface]

Agreed regarding Jbo, but it’s what we have to work with.
In my opinion, Fran had recruited very poorly at the PG position. You and I differ because PG is the most important player on the team.
Name me one team that has one won the National Championships without great PG play?
I’ll hangup and listen,

Im not saying it's been good. Far from it but rebounding is the bigest problem with this team.

Fran playing zone is the second.

Fran playing the poor defenders is the 3rd.

Pg play is at least 4th on the list IMO.