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Idea for Iowa BB attendance

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Why not play a majority of our non conference schedule at other arenas through out the state. Play games in Des Moines,CR Quad Cities,etc. This would give fans that normally would not get to IC to see the Hawks. The games would likely be sold out. The Hawks would play in front of excited fans. This could make a casual fan become rabid ones. Then play the BIG conf games at Carver or a great non conf match up(which rarely occurs) We played NC one year.
 
My idea is don't play games at 8 pm on a weekday, have a more equitable B10 schedule where Iowa has more than 3 weekend games (MSU has 7 for comparison and 3 is tied with NW for the fewest), and lower ticket prices.
Where was Barta at when the BIG schedule was released? We had no one taking notice of the weekend home game inequity? The lame BIG Commissioner should be taken to the cleaners over this year’s schedule. Barta needs to make it clear to Warren that this disparity will not be acceptable moving forward.
 
The crowd has been pathetic this year. Even during the Purdue game when Iowa was rallying most of the screen crowd were still just sitting in their seats barely cheering. Far too many old gray hairs and overweight people that sit in the first 10 rows. It's embarrassing watching the crowd on TV. Seems like very little life in the arena.
 
The crowd has been pathetic this year. Even during the Purdue game when Iowa was rallying most of the screen crowd were still just sitting in their seats barely cheering. Far too many old gray hairs and overweight people that sit in the first 10 rows. It's embarrassing watching the crowd on TV. Seems like very little life in the arena.
Catch 22 those gray hair and over weight people are the only ones consistently showing up for every game and shelling out the $. Key is for college bball is to have a raucous student section and Iowa doesn’t, or least a consistent one, that gets the rest of the crowd into it. Same people like myself who aren’t happy with environment are also same ones hindered by family life and can’t make the weekday games no matter the time usually.

As mentioned before schedule matters. Thread after psu wrestling meet talking about how great the crowd was. Thing is wrestling there are fewer meets and they are always fri-Sunday. Makes it great for the crowds to show but if Iowa was wrestling NW or ILL at 7-8 pm on Tuesday you don’t have the same energy or as many fans showing up. Also when Iowa does play teams good teams on a weekend at carver shows how good it can be but again we rarely get those games let alone weekend ones anymore and that’s a BTN deal.
 
Is it just Iowa you're talking about or have you taken time to look at all the other B1G teams? I'm pretty sure at least 12 other teams sell out every game and their arena's are packed with mostly students in the first 15 rows.
I do watch most games on tv and don't think most of them are any different than Iowa....
 
I do watch most games on tv and don't think most of them are any different than Iowa....
lol

What games are you watching?

Watch Purdue.

Watch Illinois.

Watch Michigan State.

Watch Indiana.

Watch Ohio State.

Watch Wisconsin.

Watch Rutgers.

Watch Maryland (even though they suck this year).

Watch Minnesota (even though they suck this year).

If you think any of the above are really not any different than Iowa, then... you're simply delusional.

Hell, Nebraska hasn't won a single damn game and their atmosphere is better than ours. Have you watched a northwestern home game lately?

Penn State is the only B1G arena that is clearly worse than CHAin terms of atmosphere. Michigan is similar and is worse when their team is not top 25 quality.
 
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Where was Barta at when the BIG schedule was released? We had no one taking notice of the weekend home game inequity? The lame BIG Commissioner should be taken to the cleaners over this year’s schedule. Barta needs to make it clear to Warren that this disparity will not be acceptable moving forward.
Or what? Taking their ball and going home. Lol. Supposedly grown ass men/women posting on here.
 
Or what? Taking their ball and going home. Lol. Supposedly grown ass men/women posting on here.
Exactly. Iowa has zero/very little input on game times and days. There have been other years where iowa has more weekend games.

It took a generation to kill off fan excitement for basketball, where it was must-attend. It will take a long time to get it back. Yes, there are things they could do (from seating to renovations to others) but the biggest thing is winning. As others have pointed out, radically altering the seating at this point threatens to drive away the fans who HAVE continued to buy tickets the last 20-25 years. I'm not saying that shouldn't be done, I'm for anything that prioritizes students being more involved in the fan experience. What the administration is likely worried about is dedicating all that prime seating to students, then still having those sections half-full.

The ideas posed here are not terrible. It would make it easier to attend games if some games were moved around the state. The downside is that you are discouraging any loyalty in season ticket holders, and not sure players/coaches are going to be on board for an all road game schedule. Yes, if you go to other venues in the state it's a pro-Hawkeye crowd, but there's still travel involved for players. The remedy to all of this is winning.
 
What's the difference? Seriously? Very few people in CHA wear m***s. If I still lived in Iowa City, I would discourage my friends from attending events there.
Oh great. A Covid Crazy has shown up with a moronic hot take.

You really think those face diapers do anything...like literally anything at all?

Re: the student section...the passion is clearly there -- just look at football games. Packed with students. Kinnick is "the toughest place to play in the nation." For whatever reason, those same students just never turn out for bball games.

Sort of the opposite problem that Indiana/Illinois have -- their bball crowds are awesome but football games are morgues. That will prob never change for those schools, no matter how good their football teams become.
 
You really think those face diapers do anything...like literally anything at all?
Of course masks are silly and useless. That's why doctors and nurses and dentists wear them as a matter of routine. Like the white coats and the washing of hands; it makes them feel superior, but it doesn't protect them, or their patients, from contracting disease. Masks are merely fashion statements by the medical elite. LOL

That masks don't work is also why Asians have been wearing them for decades to protect against pollution and disease.

Fortunately, basketball fans and GOP cult members know a helluva lot more about pandemics and masks than scientists and doctors. Everybody knows that. So when you get cancer, leukemia, or COVID, don't call a doctor. Don't go to a hospital. Call FOX & Friends and ask Sean Hannity what to do. Got it, you moron.
 
Of course masks are silly and useless. That's why doctors and nurses and dentists wear them as a matter of routine. Like the white coats and the washing of hands; it makes them feel superior, but it doesn't protect them, or their patients, from contracting disease. Masks are merely fashion statements by the medical elite. LOL

That masks don't work is also why Asians have been wearing them for decades to protect against pollution and disease.

Fortunately, basketball fans and GOP cult members know a helluva lot more about pandemics and masks than scientists and doctors. Everybody knows that. So when you get cancer, leukemia, or COVID, don't call a doctor. Don't go to a hospital. Call FOX & Friends and ask Sean Hannity what to do. Got it, you moron.
I don’t want to take us down the rabbit hole, but the ones the VAST majority of the populace wears, the Kleenex-on-a-string, have been proven by many many virologists to do next to nothing to help. The droplets of the virus are the size of vapor. Put one of those masks on, put a pair of glasses next to your mouth and exhale. You will fog up the glasses. Hence, the virus can get through. Sure they help with larger droplets but the N-95 is what’s needed but not worn.
 
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I don’t want to take us down the rabbit hole, but the ones the VAST majority of the populace wears, the Kleenex-on-a-string, have been proven by many many virologists to do next to nothing to help. The droplets of the virus are the size of vapor. Put one of those masks on, put a pair of glasses next to your mouth and exhale. You will fog up the glasses. Hence, the virus can get through. Sure they help with larger droplets but the N-95 is what’s needed but not worn.
The only way to not spread a virus is to not breathe. The masks that we physicians wear is to prevent personal injury from blood splatter or as mentioned here, large droplet spray. Beyond that, they certainly don't prevent catching or transmitting viral infections as evidenced by the large outbreaks we have seen the past two years.

What about flu you say? Well, a larger number of the general public were "scared" into getting the vaccine and the flu shot was on point last year. This year we have a renegade strain making the rounds that is not covered by the flu vaccine as can happen from year to year and we will see more cases again.

The fabric people are calling masks is laughable at best and a personal health/social detriment at worst.

*This above is not medical advice. Do what makes you comfortable, just don't go forcing your uninformed beliefs on the rest of the free general public.
 
Where was Barta at when the BIG schedule was released? We had no one taking notice of the weekend home game inequity? The lame BIG Commissioner should be taken to the cleaners over this year’s schedule. Barta needs to make it clear to Warren that this disparity will not be acceptable moving forward.
Not clear to me that complaining to Warren would accomplish anything. I doubt Warren has any control over this either. This should be an item to discuss, but the tip times for example I think are almost entirely controlled by the networks.
Exactly. Iowa has zero/very little input on game times and days. There have been other years where iowa has more weekend games.

It took a generation to kill off fan excitement for basketball, where it was must-attend. It will take a long time to get it back. Yes, there are things they could do (from seating to renovations to others) but the biggest thing is winning. As others have pointed out, radically altering the seating at this point threatens to drive away the fans who HAVE continued to buy tickets the last 20-25 years. I'm not saying that shouldn't be done, I'm for anything that prioritizes students being more involved in the fan experience. What the administration is likely worried about is dedicating all that prime seating to students, then still having those sections half-full.

The ideas posed here are not terrible. It would make it easier to attend games if some games were moved around the state. The downside is that you are discouraging any loyalty in season ticket holders, and not sure players/coaches are going to be on board for an all road game schedule. Yes, if you go to other venues in the state it's a pro-Hawkeye crowd, but there's still travel involved for players. The remedy to all of this is winning.
Iowa has been a winning program for i think all but two of the last 7 now. Simply relying on that as a solution obviously doesn’t work. And admittedly, the non-conference schedule was less than appealing.

a couple things to do:

1) barta can’t let Fran put together non conference schedules like this again. One bunny or two to start, sure, but otherwise, need to schedule opponents that fans will recognize. MAC schools, mid-majors that are in the 200s or better, etc. and filled out with ISU, ACC opponent,…

2) sell ticket packages similar to the 3 game football package. say 3 non conference and 2 or 3 conference games, both weeknight and weekend games

3) better marketing campaigns

4 research moving the student section, any seating renovation tweaks that might spur additional interest.
 
The crowd has been pathetic this year. Even during the Purdue game when Iowa was rallying most of the screen crowd were still just sitting in their seats barely cheering. Far too many old gray hairs and overweight people that sit in the first 10 rows. It's embarrassing watching the crowd on TV. Seems like very little life in the arena.

The old gray hairs always get blamed and now overweight people are being blamed. Maybe there are too many of them in the first 10 rows, but there are another 30+ rows for fans to cheer and be loud, and as someone who had season tickets since CHA opened up until a couple of years ago, I've seen plenty 30 somethings who just sit there are on their hands as well.
 
My idea is don't play games at 8 pm on a weekday, have a more equitable B10 schedule where Iowa has more than 3 weekend games (MSU has 7 for comparison and 3 is tied with NW for the fewest), and lower ticket prices.
I hadn't seen that. That's bullshit.
 
Re: the student section...the passion is clearly there -- just look at football games. Packed with students. Kinnick is "the toughest place to play in the nation." For whatever reason, those same students just never turn out for bball games.
The reason is also SATURDAY games. Nice weather and not cold and snow. Beer all day in the fall.
Pretty simple really.
 
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The reason is also SATURDAY games. Nice weather and not cold and snow. Beer all day in the fall.
Pretty simple really.

Pretty much the same conditions as several other Big 10 teams have. This doesn't fly.
 
Yeah Iowa got screwed with the schedule. It doesn't take away the fact the game atmosphere at Iowa is among the bottom 5 teams in the conference. Weeknight games hasn't stopped crowds at Rutgers, Indiana, Michigan or any other team in the B1G still playing for something. Those atmospheres are pretty electric with the crowds loudly getting behind their teams. The Iowa crowd acts like they have Nebraska's season and team.
 
Oh great. A Covid Crazy has shown up with a moronic hot take.

You really think those face diapers do anything...like literally anything at all?

Re: the student section...the passion is clearly there -- just look at football games. Packed with students. Kinnick is "the toughest place to play in the nation." For whatever reason, those same students just never turn out for bball games.

Sort of the opposite problem that Indiana/Illinois have -- their bball crowds are awesome but football games are morgues. That will prob never change for those schools, no matter how good their football teams become.
At this point for the people that think that covid is a serious problem, think that wearing masks does any amount of good (it is indeed doing some harm to the wearer). Then there is very little hope for such a person. The are just too indoctrinated with stupid to be helped. I don't go places that make people wear masks. So I'm going to counter balance out that person.
 
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Yeah Iowa got screwed with the schedule. It doesn't take away the fact the game atmosphere at Iowa is among the bottom 5 teams in the conference. Weeknight games hasn't stopped crowds at Rutgers, Indiana, Michigan or any other team in the B1G still playing for something. Those atmospheres are pretty electric with the crowds loudly getting behind their teams. The Iowa crowd acts like they have Nebraska's season and team.
Rutgers is a poor example. Bigger population area surrounding the gym, and its half the size of Carver. Its a big high school gym. Way easier to pack, and holds the noise totally better then a large open space like Carver.
 
Not clear to me that complaining to Warren would accomplish anything. I doubt Warren has any control over this either. This should be an item to discuss, but the tip times for example I think are almost entirely controlled by the networks.

Iowa has been a winning program for i think all but two of the last 7 now. Simply relying on that as a solution obviously doesn’t work. And admittedly, the non-conference schedule was less than appealing.

a couple things to do:

1) barta can’t let Fran put together non conference schedules like this again. One bunny or two to start, sure, but otherwise, need to schedule opponents that fans will recognize. MAC schools, mid-majors that are in the 200s or better, etc. and filled out with ISU, ACC opponent,…

2) sell ticket packages similar to the 3 game football package. say 3 non conference and 2 or 3 conference games, both weeknight and weekend games

3) better marketing campaigns

4 research moving the student section, any seating renovation tweaks that might spur additional interest.
I hear what you are saying about "winning" records, but by winning I should have clarified. In the 1979-89 time period it was so rabid because the team won big. Final 4, conference title, another Elite 8 appearance, a total of 4 Sweet 16 appearances if my math is right. 10 NCAA tournament appearances in 11 years. That is big-time winning and creates fans forever. Those fans who are still alive who experienced it, and the younger generation has not had 1 of those years that they can remember in their lifetimes. Ever. The football program in that time has had enough big moments interspersed that a new generation of fans that grew up knowing only KF are hooked for life as well. Big 10 titles in 02 and 04, the 09 season with Orange Bowl win, 12-0 regular season in 2015, division title in 2021. Those are lasting memories that fans don't want to miss out on.

I don't know what the answer is for basketball, other than having a breakthrough of a Sweet 16 or regular season conference title. I'll always cheer, but not super-optimistic as Iowa just finished having the Player of Year (Garza) paired with another NBA player for multiple years (Wieskamp), who were preceded by another NBA player (Cook) and through to a potential lottery pick (Murray). And what is going to be the sum total of that talent that doesn't come around to Iowa very often? A top 4 conference finish, an appearance in the Big 10 tournament semis, and several second round NCAA tournament exits. Not bad, but nothing that gets people hooked for life.
 
I hear what you are saying about "winning" records, but by winning I should have clarified. In the 1979-89 time period it was so rabid because the team won big. Final 4, conference title, another Elite 8 appearance, a total of 4 Sweet 16 appearances if my math is right. 10 NCAA tournament appearances in 11 years. That is big-time winning and creates fans forever. Those fans who are still alive who experienced it, and the younger generation has not had 1 of those years that they can remember in their lifetimes. Ever. The football program in that time has had enough big moments interspersed that a new generation of fans that grew up knowing only KF are hooked for life as well. Big 10 titles in 02 and 04, the 09 season with Orange Bowl win, 12-0 regular season in 2015, division title in 2021. Those are lasting memories that fans don't want to miss out on.

I don't know what the answer is for basketball, other than having a breakthrough of a Sweet 16 or regular season conference title. I'll always cheer, but not super-optimistic as Iowa just finished having the Player of Year (Garza) paired with another NBA player for multiple years (Wieskamp), who were preceded by another NBA player (Cook) and through to a potential lottery pick (Murray). And what is going to be the sum total of that talent that doesn't come around to Iowa very often? A top 4 conference finish, an appearance in the Big 10 tournament semis, and several second round NCAA tournament exits. Not bad, but nothing that gets people hooked for life.

That late 70s/80s was really a golden era for b10 hoops…not sure the conference has ever been better top to bottom since.

One thing that hasn’t been mentioned, it really can’t be understated how much not having fans last year for the best Iowa team in 30 years - but thanks to covid, we could only watch from home. Nobody’s fault, but a lost opportunity to build enthusiasm naturally.

That lease having a creative marketing department, which it’s very clear has been lacking for decades.
 
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