Play the game or cut a check. You are getting tuition to play.
If a player sits for a bowl game for draft reasons, he should have to repay tuition.
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Correct.
There should be a payment of the difference between the the amount of tuition received and the amount of revenue generated.
So maybe a six-figure (?) check to the player?
There should be a payment of the difference between the the amount of tuition received and the amount of revenue generated.
So maybe a six-figure (?) check to the player?
Amazing how many kids would all of a sudden have a tweaked muscle that would be just fine a few weeks later.
That would be extremely petty, especially considering the cartel rules in place that don't allow the athletes to be compensated anything above tuition and nominal stipends.
College football generates billions in revenues, and you're telling me the only value the football players generate is worth free classes? Then you want to take away the benefit of an under-compensated athlete because a he chooses to sit out one game so he does not jeopardize his chance to be healthy entering the NFL draft? Seems like a warped view of "fairness."
College football generates billions in revenues, and you're telling me the only value the football players generate is worth free classes? Then you want to take away the benefit of an under-compensated athlete because a he chooses to sit out one game so he does not jeopardize his chance to be healthy entering the NFL draft? Seems like a warped view of "fairness."
Just tuition and not room & board? Do they pay 1/13th of the cost because it's one game? Or, an entire season? Entire career? Is the amount of payback the same if it's a playoff game vs. the Pinstripe Bowl?
How about if they do play, but make some mistakes? Would the payback be the same for a QB vs. a DB?
Terrific idea. Just a few details to work out.
No no and don’t be stupid
As said above if a player tells the coach he doesn't want to play but doesn't threaten sitting out what are you going to do? Put a player on the field that has already said he doesn't want to compete?
The players get plenty of perks. From going through the college application process, college visits, scholarship submissions, etc recently with my son compared to the coddling the football and b-ball players get along with most of their expenses paid, they get enough!! Not to mentioned their lifetime of increased earning power from their free degree! Don’t make me cry a river for scholarship football players.
I agree the there’s not a clear solution. Have him sit in front of the entire team to explain how he is going to let them down when it matters most.
Two questions:
- If a booster wants to pay a player to play at the boosters favorite school, why should that be illegal?
- If you really are in favor of creating a ceiling for compensation, do you think this should also apply to coaches? Jimbo Fisher is getting $75 million to coach at Texas A&M over the next 10 years. Shouldn't a more normal salary around $70,000 per year be sufficient?
The amount of ignorance on this board never ceases to amaze me.
Players play injured most of the season but still suit up every Saturday. And if you aren't played for a national championship, why risk further injury if you are nicked up and have the opportunity to play in the league.
Everything isn't black and white.
All good questions but I wouldn’t compare amateur athletes with the coaching profession. These types of questions are why it won’t be addressed system wide. It will be up to each coach and institution.
LOL! Since we’re making up rules for the institution, Let’s make some up for the money makers of that institution up as well! I like it!
The difference between "amateur athletes" vs. "professional coaches" is a construct of the current rules in place, and does nothing to support your argument. The only reason the athletes which generate billions of dollars in revenue are called "amateurs" is because of the very rules I'm questioning.
Actually, it's not "illegal". It's against the rules. And, I am in favor of a ceiling on coaches compensation. Something higher than $70k though.
CF has to decide if it wants to be "College Football" or Professional Football. It is getting closer to professional football every year that goes by, and except for paying the players it already is professional football.
Please. The teammates understand that they are part of a profit machine that rewards those in control. Do you think that teammates of McCaffery and Fournette were upset with them last year? Doubtful.
Sitting out of a bowl game if you are injured is one thing. Sitting out if you are healthy is completely different.
Then they should have their scholarship revoked in it's entirety, at least for the year they quit the team.
If you want to sit out your final game for the NFL, fine. But pay your team back. Pay back that scholarship money that could have otherwise gone to a different player that would have happily played.
When you sign that letter of intent and receive a scholarship, you are entering a contract with the school that you will play and try your best as long as you are on the team. In exchange, they will pay your tuition, living expenses, provide you with coaching and an athletics program that will prepare you for the next level. If you breach that contract by not playing, then the contract should be voided and you pay the money back. Simple as that.
Also most college athletic programs are not the cash cows everyone thinks they are. Most of the money football generates goes back into the athletic programs, and some goes to the academic programs that the athletes are also utilizing.
When you sign that letter of intent and receive a scholarship, you are entering a contract with the school that you will play and try your best as long as you are on the team. In exchange, they will pay your tuition, living expenses, provide you with coaching and an athletics program that will prepare you for the next level. If you breach that contract by not playing, then the contract should be voided and you pay the money back. Simple as that.
Also most college athletic programs are not the cash cows everyone thinks they are. Most of the money football generates goes back into the athletic programs, and some goes to the academic programs that the athletes are also utilizing.
I’m sure once they make to the NFL they’ll come back to speak to recruits or be honorary captains and coin flippers & even check writers.. think about the long term investment to have the football players from your school make it to the NFL & stop crying about a bowl game & trying make up rules about paying the school back for one game. Simple as that.
Loser entitlement culture mentality. If I had told my college coach "I'm sitting out for the championship part of our season, but don't worry I'll come back and flip coins once I make it in the NFL" he would have wringed my neck. Completely wrong mindset and piss poor culture for the program.
This would be 100% impossible to enforce. How do you know if a guy is really injured or not? Comes down to values, some people have them, some don't. Smart NFL teams realize this and avoid Me First players in the draft to keep that culture out of their organizations.
Are you on record as saying that there isn't enough money to pay the athletes?
At the majorty of college football programs. Absolutely, yes.
If i would had did this back then & if would have done that back then has absolutely nothing to with NOW. Stop bitc**** about culture and realize things are different. And shoe in nfl prospects are opting out of bowl games that aren’t “big games”. And if you think programs will suffer due to that.. well, probably gonna have to get over that or be mad or feel sorry about it, I don’t know.. I’m sure the kid that’s getting a chance to play in the bowl game that’s playing behind the “opt out guy” won’t be as butt hurt as some..
How often does this really happen? This situation is hardly worth discussing because the vast majority of NFL prospects play the final game. It may also harm a player once an NFL team sees the player has a me first mentality. If injured and not wanting to risk further injury, or further delay healing because of the FEb. NFL Combine, I get that... On a side note, Keaton Smiley got his degree and elected to be done with football....
The NFL will not care one way or another about this at the very end of the Day. It may play into a portion of the decision but they’ve picked players that have done “worse”.. why has being real vacated from this topic???
So then removing the rules which limit athletes' compensation would have no effect, no? If there really isn't enough money, then the schools/boosters would have no additional money to give to athletes, even if they wanted to do so. So why even have a rule capping compensation at all?
It would have a huge effect. First, all or most none revenue generating sports would be axed so that the money could be used to pay football and basketball players. Secondly, the handful of schools/boosters that could afford to pay players a lot of money would become 100x more powerful, and everyone else would be curb stomped including Iowa.
I agree with the original post and said the same thing last year. In some instances, the school takes a chance on the student athlete and gives them a free education. They don't make them pay the tuition back if they don't succeed as an athlete. Yet if the athlete succeeds why should he be able to not play the game if that's what he signed up to do for his free education.
It would be like someone going into the military and getting paid to do so and then being able to say no thanks when it comes to being put in harms way.
Fournette and McCaffery are proof that the NFL doesn't care if talented players play in meaningless bowl games or not.
Your arguments are so flawed and your understanding is so lacking that I simply don't have the time to walk you through everything. But if you want a useful resource about the subject, I'd recommend reading this: http://sportsgeekonomics.tumblr.com/myths
