If LeBron wins these finals..

[swagsurfer02]

How impressive is this. He basically has almost no one on his squad. JR Smith, who won a 6th man of the year award.


I can't think of a less talented team who has won a championship.

 

[gonegolfing]

He is a great player one of the best of all time because of his size/athleticism combination. however he and the Cavaliers are making basketball unwatchable. he commits an offensive Foul just about every time he touches the ball. their lack of motion and their isolation has made this series absolutely terrible.

 

[anon_snp6dc585nnj4]

Hands down worst finals I have ever watched. LeBron is good but the man has no finesse he is far from MJ. The game has changed so much. If the Cavs win it is because they have a scrappy small guy who actually plays defense. Delly is the only reason I continue to watch. This is brutal.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

I was going to say the Sixers with Allen Iverson were worse. But, I looked it up and they didn't win the Championship. So, yes you're probably correct.

 

[littlez]

So balla, you say LeBron has no finesse, but yet you are watching because of Delly? Really ? Yes, this series has nothing to do with LeBrons 40 pts a game and triple doubles, it's all about Delly. Sure.

 

[swagsurfer02]

So balla, you say LeBron has no finesse, but yet you are watching because of Delly? Really ? Yes, this series has nothing to do with LeBrons 40 pts a game and triple doubles, it's all about Delly. Sure.

Can't argue with averaging 40 pts per game.

 

[littlez]

40 pts and a triple double and people on here still don't like to watch him. The guy is a beast and is absolutely carrying his team while Golden State looks like they are scared of him.

 

[littlez]

What he's doing right now is better than anything Jordan ever did, even if people on here don't want to admit it.

 

[bdg8]

Why does Lebron need finesse.? He is a physical freak. Strong as hell and has the endurance to play the whole game.

 

[Tenacious E]

He is a great player one of the best of all time because of his size/athleticism combination. however he and the Cavaliers are making basketball unwatchable. he commits an offensive Foul just about every time he touches the ball. their lack of motion and their isolation has made this series absolutely terrible.

I completely disagree. I thought the Warriors got away with foul after foul after foul with moving screens, hip checks, and the like. Contrary to the announcers Draymond Greene or however you spell him name was moving when he screened Shumpert. I put Lebron in the Shaq category of physical freak where it is he who actually gets fouled on virtually every play but they don't call it because he is so strong that it doesn't really look like a foul. He has to flop to get calls because otherwise they don't call them.

 

[bagdropper]

What he's doing right now is better than anything Jordan ever did, even if people on here don't want to admit it.

To a certain extent, I agree with this. If they win this series, I would be comfortable saying LBJ is an equal to Jordan.

They both aren't better than Chamberlain in his prime...but that's another argument for another time.

But considering Wilt never won with his early teams...that's why what I think LBJ is doing (if they win it all) should be the final nail in the coffin as to whether he's MJ's equal talent-wise at the very least. We could be watching an all-time performance here. They have no business winning it all.

As for "quality of play"...almost looks like Cleveland decided to play tackle basketball as the only way to win this short-handed. The amazing thing is GS is playing along...which isn't their game at all.

 

[Derekd3408]

How impressive is this. He basically has almost no one on his squad. JR Smith, who won a 6th man of the year award.


I can't think of a less talented team who has won a championship.

This whole series had been boring. The warrior's relied on 3pt shooting all season long and now they can't hit water if they fell off a boat. Lebrons playing with scrubs that are having a series of their lifetime. Scoring has been hard to come by for both sides and don't get me started on NBA officiating. I knew their was a reason I hated the NBA. Neither of these teams would be in the championship 10 years ago. I miss the NBA I watched in HS and college.

 

[fredjr82]

I'm still of the opinion that the Detroit Pistons (who swept the LA Lakers with Kobe and Shaq) were the least talented team to win an NBA Championship. They had a bunch of role players who took down the big two when nobody gave them a shot. Their best player was probably Richard Hamilton who was pretty good but was never considered a superstar.

That said, I'm still rooting for the Cavs because I love to watch Lebron play. Although Steph Curry is a freak with the baskekball in his hands. He can shoot lights out, but I think he doesn't get enough credit for his passing/ball handling abilities. Such a smooth looking player.

 

[Paul Cook]

Thugs, no defense.

 

[gojojo]

Golden State is one of the worst teams I have seen in the finals and Cleveland isn't much better. It's hard to watch.

 

[swagsurfer02]

This whole series had been boring. The warrior's relied on 3pt shooting all season long and now they can't hit water if they fell off a boat. Lebrons playing with scrubs that are having a series of their lifetime. Scoring has been hard to come by for both sides and don't get me started on NBA officiating. I knew their was a reason I hated the NBA. Neither of these teams would be in the championship 10 years ago. I miss the NBA I watched in HS and college.

Are they having the series of their lives? We know Smith is very streaky, Thompson is an offensive rebounding machine, Mozgov is just athletic, and both Dellabedova and Shumpart are scrappy.

Had Irving or Love played, this thing would be over.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

What he's doing right now is better than anything Jordan ever did, even if people on here don't want to admit it.

LOL...the Bulls beat seriously good teams to win. That said, Jordan on James in their respective primes would have been spectacular to watch.

 

[swagsurfer02]

http://thebiglead.com/2015/06/02/lebron-michael-jordan-nba-finals-supporting-cast/


This is interesting

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

I'm still of the opinion that the Detroit Pistons (who swept the LA Lakers with Kobe and Shaq) were the least talented team to win an NBA Championship. They had a bunch of role players who took down the big two when nobody gave them a shot. Their best player was probably Richard Hamilton who was pretty good but was never considered a superstar.

That said, I'm still rooting for the Cavs because I love to watch Lebron play. Although Steph Curry is a freak with the baskekball in his hands. He can shoot lights out, but I think he doesn't get enough credit for his passing/ball handling abilities. Such a smooth looking player.

Disagree with the role players statement. Detroit had 4 all-stars including a 4x DPOY all in their prime. They didn't have any superstars but had some really good players. Plus, these guys and Tayshaun Prince were very awesome defenders at their position.

Ben Wallace - 4x all-star, 4x DPOY
Rasheed Wallace - 4x all-star
Richard Hamilton - 3x all-star
Chauncey Billups - 5x all-star

Other than LeBron, nobody currently playing on the Cavs has an all-star appearance. I agree, in the modern NBA, those Pistons are the least talented team to win a championship. If Cleveland wins, I think they take that dubious yet awesome award.

 

[HawkAttackDial911]

http://thebiglead.com/2015/06/02/lebron-michael-jordan-nba-finals-supporting-cast/


This is interesting

It looks like they're cherry picking to me. This only takes into account the Finals games. So while LeBron is beating the sisters of the poor in the East to get to the finals Jordan was going against the Knicks, Pacers, and Pistons. Plus, someone commented
"The variables are so vast that it's hard to even quantify talent when stretched across decades. Do we know what each player's stats were prior to joining these championship teams? How do we know that Jordan just wasn't a better leader that was able to galvanize a group and improve productivity ?"

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

How impressive is this. He basically has almost no one on his squad. JR Smith, who won a 6th man of the year award.


I can't think of a less talented team who has won a championship.

I'm 48 yrs old and a Bulls fan....MJ is and always be "the man".

That said....this performance by James has me re-evaluating things. He loses Irving and Love and has them on the cusp of a championship...beyond impressed.

 

[swagsurfer02]

It looks like they're cherry picking to me. This only takes into account the Finals games. So while LeBron is beating the sisters of the poor in the East to get to the finals Jordan was going against the Knicks, Pacers, and Pistons. Plus, someone commented
"The variables are so vast that it's hard to even quantify talent when stretched across decades. Do we know what each player's stats were prior to joining these championship teams? How do we know that Jordan just wasn't a better leader that was able to galvanize a group and improve productivity ?"

We don't, but we do know MJ did like to shoot early then started distributing the ball when they won ships. Ie: Paxton and Kerr games

 

[Wahawk56]

All it proves was I was right about golden state being frauds

 

[hansenhawk]

That sixers team wasn't THAT bad at all. They gave the lakers (i believe) a pretty good run.

 

[iowalaker]

That sixers team wasn't THAT bad at all. They gave the lakers (i believe) a pretty good run.

They won one game, I think game 4, in what was almost a give them one type game, and we will win the ship at home.

I was really impressed by Lebrons 14 for 34 from the field or whatever it was.

 

[bagdropper]

All it proves was I was right about golden state being frauds

I find it funny that ESPN is most likely hyperventilating because the anointed team for the next decade is getting their lunches fed to them. Absolutely everything we heard leading up to game 2 is Cleveland is finished...and they hyped and pimped before the series that GS was going to rout them anyway.

I am interested in this series merely to watch ESPN deal with this stuff...it is hilarious to watch really. I'm also a Cleveland fan merely because GS has won a title. Cleveland has been mostly terrible their entire history.

 

[pocha444444]

All it proves was I was right about golden state being frauds

I just hope you stick around after GS wins it all

 

[Wahawk56]

I just hope you stick around after GS wins it all

I've said it time and time,i want golden state to win, but I don't believe in them and you shouldn't either

 

[Derekd3408]

I just hope you stick around after GS wins it all

There is zero percent chance this happens and I want Cleveland to lose more than anything right now. This series won't prove to me how great LeBron is, and he is very very good, rather how bad the Wariors played, mainly Curry. Live and die by the three, and GS is flatlineing.

 

[Wahawk56]

There is zero percent chance this happens and I want Cleveland to lose more than anything right now. This series won't prove to me how great LeBron is, and he is very very good, rather how bad the Wariors played, mainly Curry. Live and die by the three, and GS is flatlineing.

Reminds me of Iowa state

 

[Derekd3408]

Reminds me of Iowa state

Very much so.

 

[fivecardstud14]

There is zero percent chance this happens

There needs to be a laughing icon for statements like this. LOL at 0% chance.

 

[Derekd3408]

Cool story bro...thanks for stopping by.

 

[TJ8869]

I'm 48 yrs old and a Bulls fan....MJ is and always be "the man".

That said....this performance by James has me re-evaluating things. He loses Irving and Love and has them on the cusp of a championship...beyond impressed.

I'm 45 and grew up watching Jordan and the Bulls. There's no question MJ is one of the all-time greats, but it's pretty hard to argue against what LeBron has accomplished and what he has meant to his teams. When he left Cleveland after the 2010 season, the Cavs went from the best team in the East to one of the worst. Four straight Eastern Conference titles with Miami, including back-to-back NBA titles. When he went back to Cleveland the two teams reversed fortunes. Now Cleveland is the best team in the East and Miami went from the finals to DNQ.

When Jordan took a year off to play minor league baseball, the Bulls plugged in Pete Myers and Toni Kukoc and still earned the #3 seed in the East and swept Cleveland in the first round of the playoffs before losing a memorable, hard-fought 7 game series to Patrick Ewing and the Knicks in round two.

 

[littlez]

So you don't like LeBrons 14-34 stats? Go back and look at Jordan's final against Utah. Heard on the radio he had a 9-26 and 11-32 in 2 of the games. Take away Pippen and Kukoc from that Utah series and do you think the Bulls win? Golden State is not garbage. They won 67 games this year.

 

[swagsurfer02]

I'm 45 and grew up watching Jordan and the Bulls. There's no question MJ is one of the all-time greats, but it's pretty hard to argue against what LeBron has accomplished and what he has meant to his teams. When he left Cleveland after the 2010 season, the Cavs went from the best team in the East to one of the worst. Four straight Eastern Conference titles with Miami, including back-to-back NBA titles. When he went back to Cleveland the two teams reversed fortunes. Now Cleveland is the best team in the East and Miami went from the finals to DNQ.

When Jordan took a year off to play minor league baseball, the Bulls plugged in Pete Myers and Toni Kukoc and still earned the #3 seed in the East and swept Cleveland in the first round of the playoffs before losing a memorable, hard-fought 7 game series to Patrick Ewing and the Knicks in round two.

I also believe they won over 50 regular season games.

 

[Derekd3408]

If LeBron, Kobe and MJ all played with their respective teams in the same 6 year stretch would LeBron have any titles? Could lebrons's big 3 in Miami and big 3 now, at full strength, beat the 00-04 lakers or the 90-97 bulls?

 

[HawkeyesAndCubs1023]

If you look at comparative playoff stats, MJ is better than LeBron in PPG, FG%, 3PT %, FT%, steals per game, blocks per game, and Player Efficiency Rating. LeBron is higher in points and assists.

If you look at NBA Finals stats, the margin is even greater. Michael averaged 33.6 PPG in his NBA Finals career, while LeBron is currently at 26. Michael is higher in all of the aforementioned stats as well, trailing only in RPG and APG.

While you have to credit LBJ for a great series this year, you can't forget his 2011 Finals against Dallas where he was woeful, and his Game 4-5 no-shows cost his team a title.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Golden State is one of the worst teams I have seen in the finals and Cleveland isn't much better. It's hard to watch.

This.

I think we're seeing a couple of great coaches turn teams with one star and a bunch of lemons into lemonade. OK, that's overstating it, but except for LeBron and Curry, those teams are mainly overachieving role players. If I had to pick, I'd say Cleveland seems to have a bit more natural talent, so Kerr is probably the better coach.

 

[Derekd3408]

This.

I think we're seeing a couple of great coaches turn teams with one star and a bunch of lemons into lemonade. OK, that's overstating it, but except for LeBron and Curry, those teams are mainly overachieving role players. If I had to pick, I'd say Cleveland seems to have a bit more natural talent, so Kerr is probably the better coach.

Thompson is pretty damn good for GS. Barnes is a disappointment though. He cannot be going 0-9 if GS wants a glimmer of hope. He missed a bunny last night that would have been huge.