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If the fall season is cancelled

I'm a fellowship-trained infectious disease specialist/epidemiologist. There's no chance covid19 will lead to the cancellation of the 2020 season
 
You realize that there are only a couple of companies that make those machines, and they can only make about 200 per year max right? Its a very tightly calibrated machine and they literally only make a few per week. When they interviewed the CEO he said they might be able to double that production, tops.

I won't go through the long list of flubs the Trump admin has committed just since the beginning of January.
 
Open things up within two weeks— this is ridiculous. Since sept 36 million people have had the flu. Yes some at risk die from that too.

Just make sure to put your parents (if you are lucky enough to still have them) at the front of the COVID line.
 
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I will set up a VENMO so you can send me your Trump check coming in a couple weeks. You don't want to be taking that money I know.
Just for the record, the president doesn’t give out the checks. That’s the job of congress. And don’t think for a second he wanted any $ to go to you or me.
 
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Just for the record, the president doesn’t give out the checks. That’s the job of congress. And don’t think for a second he wanted any $ to go to you or me.

C'mon dude. You hypocrite. Don't take that money! You are justifying it in your Bernie Bro head. But that is what you all do all the time. No principles you stick to. Just like Bernie and his 3 houses or Michael Moore and his 9 homes.
 
I'm a fellowship-trained infectious disease specialist/epidemiologist. There's no chance covid19 will lead to the cancellation of the 2020 season
I want to take you as authority on the topic, but am curious why you are so optimistic?
 
C'mon dude. You hypocrite. Don't take that money! You are justifying it in your Bernie Bro head. But that is what you all do all the time. No principles you stick to. Just like Bernie and his 3 houses or Michael Moore and his 9 homes.
Lol. I’m no Democrat, but I’m also no lemming. Maybe you should use a dictionary and learn the definition of words. This is only the second time I’ve ever remotely mentioned politics on here. Think for yourselves people! Whether Republican, Democrat or independent I urge to you to use logic and reason when listening to all politicians. This virus cares not for anyone’s political views, but it’s clear that certain elements will blindly follow right off the cliff.
 
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Herbstreit saying he doubts will be a fall NFL or NCAA season at this point. but said will see.
 
As it stands, there will be no season. Yes, the initial shock will be tough to deal with (is ANYONE still upset they cancelled the NCAA Tournament at this point, though?). Life will move on - we have more pressing issues right now.
 
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I won't go through the long list of flubs the Trump admin has committed just since the beginning of January.
Not really interested in getting into a political debate on this forum, but I fail to see how your response addressed what I posted. This isn't a machine that can just be mass produced that quickly. The CEO of that company also said he's very concerned that even if they can speed up production somewhat they probably won't have the parts to keep making that many that fast. Don't see how that is on the president or anyone else. Frankly, I'm also pretty concerned about GM or Tesla making these units on a startup, and then hoping like Hell they work the way they're supposed to in crunch time. Car makers and their penchant for recalls, doesn't leave me all warm and fuzzy if its a life or death situation.
 
As it stands, there will be no season. Yes, the initial shock will be tough to deal with (is ANYONE still upset they cancelled the NCAA Tournament at this point, though?). Life will move on - we have more pressing issues right now.

What does this even mean? Today is March 27. Seasons start the last week of August. Making decisions now to cancel a football season with so little data available would be short-sighted. My personal opinion is that the NCAA tournament could have been played with no attendees, but I am fine with the cancelling for cautionary reasons.

Life will not be moving on if we are not at a place where games can be played by this fall with no crowds. That would mean unemployment rates of 30-40%, mass loss of homes, even starvation issues. People can't go without a way to work/make money for that long, and there isn't enough money to be printed to allow people to pay rent/eat all the way through the end of the year.
 
What does this even mean? Today is March 27. Seasons start the last week of August. Making decisions now to cancel a football season with so little data available would be short-sighted. My personal opinion is that the NCAA tournament could have been played with no attendees, but I am fine with the cancelling for cautionary reasons.

Life will not be moving on if we are not at a place where games can be played by this fall with no crowds. That would mean unemployment rates of 30-40%, mass loss of homes, even starvation issues. People can't go without a way to work/make money for that long, and there isn't enough money to be printed to allow people to pay rent/eat all the way through the end of the year.
Exactly right. That was might point earlier, that if this is still an issue in August-Sept. we are in deep sh--. ...
 
What does this even mean? Today is March 27. Seasons start the last week of August. Making decisions now to cancel a football season with so little data available would be short-sighted. My personal opinion is that the NCAA tournament could have been played with no attendees, but I am fine with the cancelling for cautionary reasons.

Life will not be moving on if we are not at a place where games can be played by this fall with no crowds. That would mean unemployment rates of 30-40%, mass loss of homes, even starvation issues. People can't go without a way to work/make money for that long, and there isn't enough money to be printed to allow people to pay rent/eat all the way through the end of the year.

What we can do is get an anti-body test and if had it and over it then you go back in the game. Or if can get a rapid test for all then can isolate more quickly/easily. Keep elderly and sick quarantined. Who knows but the U Prezs and ADs have to be calculating a go/ no go date. If we cannot do X by this date then modified schedule or no go.
 
Herbstreit:

“I’ll be shocked if we have NFL football this fall, if we have college football. I’ll be so surprised if that happens,” Kirk said.

“Just because from what I understand, people that I listen to, you’re 12 to 18 months from a [coronavirus] vaccine. I don’t know how you let these guys go into locker rooms and let stadiums be filled up and how you can play ball. I just don’t know how you can do it with the optics of it.”

Kirk said if he was the NFL commish or in charge of the NCAA, he would shut it down ASAP — “Next thing you know you got a locker room full of guys that are sick. And that’s on your watch? I wouldn’t want to have that.”

“As much as I hate to say it, I think we’re scratching the surface of where this thing’s gonna go.”
 
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Maybe in August life goes on in a modified way. Essential activities proceed, but no one would designate college or pro ball essential. And they don't want the large masses of persons gathering yet at that point. Like 70,000 from across a wide area coming together for fun and frivolity and cramming into seats and man those restrooms when there is not an illness going around are bad enough. We could be at a point of non-Armageddon by summer but yet not want to people partaking in sports. Are sports really essential? No. We could all be going to work and school which would be essential at that point, but yet forgo some of this other stuff. I could definitely see that scenario playing out.
 
I'm a fellowship-trained infectious disease specialist/epidemiologist. There's no chance covid19 will lead to the cancellation of the 2020 season
Based on what premise? Besides ... even as an epidemiologist, you do realize that in most instances following corona-virus infections ... the antibodies don't stick around in the same way that they do in the case of the flu. Consequently, that really ramps up the possibility of re-infection.

So is your premise that we're screwed no matter which way we go ... so why bother to contain things?

Or is your premise that we'll have suitable treatments developed over the next few months ... and that will help us to mitigate the impact of the infections?
 
Maybe in August life goes on in a modified way. Essential activities proceed, but no one would designate college or pro ball essential. And they don't want the large masses of persons gathering yet at that point. Like 70,000 from across a wide area coming together for fun and frivolity and cramming into seats and man those restrooms when there is not an illness going around are bad enough. We could be at a point of non-Armageddon by summer but yet not want to people partaking in sports. Are sports really essential? No. We could all be going to work and school which would be essential at that point, but yet forgo some of this other stuff. I could definitely see that scenario playing out.
Not disagreeing with your premise, but I'll bet a lot of the merchants in Iowa City think those football games are pretty damn essential. After losing the summer business, no football next season will probably do serious irreperable damage to the hotels and restaurants who count heavily on that revenue all year.
 
Not disagreeing with your premise, but I'll bet a lot of the merchants in Iowa City think those football games are pretty damn essential. After losing the summer business, no football next season will probably do serious irreperable damage to the hotels and restaurants who count heavily on that revenue all year.

Those merchants who don’t understand the stakes don’t deserve to be in business. Bigger fish to fry than selling tshirts or turkey legs.

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I'm in Iowa city. I know what damage not having a college season would do, because I know what those Football Saturdays (and Thursdays and Fridays) would do to the local economy. I love college football. But if it's between having a season and a bunch of people getting infected, you have to cancel the season.
 
I'm in Iowa city. I know what damage not having a college season would do, because I know what those Football Saturdays (and Thursdays and Fridays) would do to the local economy. I love college football. But if it's between having a season and a bunch of people getting infected, you have to cancel the season.

Exactly. Punt in 2020 and still have customers to sell to in ‘21, 22, 23, and so on.
 
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Husker here. We are gonna suck again this year anyway so I could honestly use a break from the disappointment. It will be a relief from the misery if this year is cancelled.
 
would you go through the long list of screw ups by New York officials in that same time frame and beyond?

Ugh. You don't really want to go down these lanes, do you? It's better for the OT board and I am not interested in that at this time. My original point on the matter was that we wouldn't be worried about whether we'd have a fall football season had the federal government responded more responsibly to the crisis in the early days. Let's leave it at that, shall we?
 
Not really interested in getting into a political debate on this forum, but I fail to see how your response addressed what I posted. This isn't a machine that can just be mass produced that quickly. The CEO of that company also said he's very concerned that even if they can speed up production somewhat they probably won't have the parts to keep making that many that fast. Don't see how that is on the president or anyone else. Frankly, I'm also pretty concerned about GM or Tesla making these units on a startup, and then hoping like Hell they work the way they're supposed to in crunch time. Car makers and their penchant for recalls, doesn't leave me all warm and fuzzy if its a life or death situation.

I get your points and I could make counterpoints, but like you I'm not interested in getting into this on the football board and I rarely get involved in the OT board any more. The ventilator issue is but one issue of the fed's response. Let's not bother to debate this as all I meant in my original post is that we wouldn't have to worry about whether the football season started in the fall if different steps were taken in the early days.
 
Exactly. Punt in 2020 and still have customers to sell to in ‘21, 22, 23, and so on.
I'm not arguing that they shouldn't cancel if needed. Just saying There will be a lot of businesses who won't survive if they do, especially after everything that leads up to then. I've been in retail in one form or another for 45 years, and I can tell you it's alot more complicated then turkey legs and tshirts. My company services most all of the fast food restaurants in the KC metro and even with drive thru, and take out, most of them are down 50 to 70 %. They operate on a pretty thin profit margin, and this lasting until fall will put MANY, locations out of business, including the franchises of the Corporate giants. The nicer restaurants aren't set up to be profitable just on carry out either as they make their money on the extra drink or dessert or appitizer, and people are skipping a lot of the extra's. That doesn't even mention the hotel chains who are basically shuttered because no one is traveling.
 
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I'm not arguing that they shouldn't cancel if needed. Just saying There will be a lot of businesses who won't survive if they do, especially after everything that leads up to then. I've been in retail in one form or another for 45 years, and I can tell you it's alot more complicated then turkey legs and tshirts. My company services most all of the fast food restaurants in the KC metro and even with drive thru, and take out, most of them are down 50 to 70 %. They operate on a pretty thin profit margin, and this lasting until fall will put MANY, locations out of business, including the franchises of the Corporate giants. The nicer restaurants aren't set up to be profitable just on carry out either as they make their money on the extra drink or dessert or appitizer, and people are skipping a lot of the extra's. That doesn't even mention the hotel chains who are basically shuttered because no one is traveling.

No one said pandemics don't suck.
 
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No one said pandemics don't suck.
Obviously, but your comment that the merchants didn't understand whats at stake as if they had brought this on themselves is pretty cavalier. How were most of these businesses supposed to be prepared for such an event?
 
Obviously, but your comment that the merchants didn't understand whats at stake as if they had brought this on themselves is pretty cavalier. How were most of these businesses supposed to be prepared for such an event?

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said they brought anything on themselves.
 
Those merchants who don’t understand the stakes don’t deserve to be in business. Bigger fish to fry than selling tshirts or turkey legs.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said they brought anything on themselves.
Your comment was they didn't deserve to be in business, and then basically this would just be hard on the local vendors by the stadium. Just trying to let folks know that IF there is no football season this fall, I'd plan on many of the hotels and restaurants in Iowa City, (and damn near everywhere else) to be shuddered. This won't be a case of just wait for business to pick back up in 2021. They won't be in business....
 
Your comment was they didn't deserve to be in business, and then basically this would just be hard on the local vendors by the stadium. Just trying to let folks know that IF there is no football season this fall, I'd plan on many of the hotels and restaurants in Iowa City, (and damn near everywhere else) to be shuddered. This won't be a case of just wait for business to pick back up in 2021. They won't be in business....

So... what are you suggesting? Business as usual and let people die so Hilton, Marriott, and the big ass turkey leg guy keep making money? We all lose here. It's gonna suck. Them's the breaks.
 
So... what are you suggesting? Business as usual and let people die so Hilton, Marriott, and the big ass turkey leg guy keep making money? We all lose here. It's gonna suck. Them's the breaks.
Now who's putting words in whose mouth? I already said if they need to shut it down so be it, thats what they should do. Just pointing out that if we get to that point, it won't be as simple as no sports see you next year. I'm not sure a lot of people realize just how bad a 6 month or longer shut down will be. Even with the 2 trillion $ stimulus package there are concerns that 25 to 50% of Americans will stop paying their mortgage if this goes more then a couple of months. While the administration has told mortgage companies not to foreclose on home borrowers, that would put the mortgage insurance industry in huge trouble, as they received no funding with this package. If they go down there will be no one backing these mortgages, and basically no one willing to write mortgages without this insurance. Thats how the current system works.
 
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