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If you play online poker, there is a 100% chance you are being targeted by Russian cheat bots

torbee

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Really interesting story:

The legalization of online gambling was a mistake and at some point the federal government should fix it.

There’s a practical aspect to this discussion: Why was it a mistake? What has happened? But also an ideological aspect: How much freedom should people have to hurt themselves? And how much freedom should people have to take advantage of others?

In short: This is the kind of conversation that I’d like to have here pretty much every day—if we lived in a world where the authoritarian crisis was over and our democracy was stable.

So for a minute, let’s pretend that we’re in that place and have the luxury to talk policy.

Because here’s the hook: Robots have taken over online gambling and they’re transferring wealth from uneducated poor people to corporations and wealthy hustlers.

This is not something society should allow.


Start with poker.

I linked to a Bloomberg story yesterday about a Russian bot operation that grew to devour the world of online poker. It’s really long and maybe you didn’t read it, so the relevant points are:

  • If you play online poker, there’s a good chance the “people” you’re playing against are bots.
  • These bots are significantly better at poker than most of the best professionals.
  • So your money gets siphoned in two directions: The bots (who are controlled by a third party) win most of your money while the online poker site takes a percentage of all the action (this is called the rake).
How prevalent is this dynamic? Vitaly Lunkin, a professional poker player, told Bloomberg, “I believe there is no clean game online.”

Sounds bad, right? Normal people who don’t know better show up to play poker online and discover that they can’t win because they’re getting pantsed by robots.

But the full story is actually worse.

Because as the bots began taking over, online poker sites noticed that IRL human players quickly got turned off by losing so much, so quickly. This hurt the poker sites, because remember: They make their money from the rake. They need people playing.

So these poker sites started hiring the companies that built the bots—as consultants. These consultants were then paid to optimize the behavior of the robots so that human players would be allowed to win just often enough to keep them playing.

In other words: The online poker websites paid the robots owners to slow down the rate of siphoning so that the human marks wouldn’t realize they were getting scammed.

The word you’re reaching for is “predatory.”

FULL ARTICLE: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/robot-...&isFreemail=false&r=12sbjk&triedRedirect=true
 
When I was big into fantasy baseball. Always understood to stay away from the Daily leagues. Seemed perfect for an algorithm to beat the hell out of me.
 
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Online gambling of any sort provides a dangerous environment,... best to stay away.
 
I don't doubt this for a second. Back when I used to play a lot online before "Black Friday", the sites used to allow users to put notes on players regarding playing habits, or whatever, so when you played against them again, you would have a feel. I loved playing 6 handed games so i would use the notes to mark who was all in the game, as I am 100% certain people used to play together in those games. A lot of sites now are 100% anonymous on the players each time you enter a new game. They tout it as being better for players so they cannot track people's styles; but, this article right here is probably the real reason for it. Living in MN, I use Bovada for sports betting and still play poker on there from time to time; but it definitely does not have the same feel as it did 10-15 years ago
 
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I don't doubt this for a second. Back when I used to play a lot online before "Black Friday", the sites used to allow users to put notes on players regarding playing habits, or whatever, so when you played against them again, you would have a feel. I loved playing 6 handed games so i would use the notes to mark who was all in the game, as I am 100% certain people used to play together in those games. A lot of sites now are 100% anonymous on the players each time you enter a new game. They tout it as being better for players so they cannot track people's styles; but, this article right here is probably the real reason for it. Living in MN, I use Bovada for sports betting and still play poker on their from time to time; but it definitely does not have the same feel as it did 10-15 years ago
I played at Pokerstars for years before the big scandal. I used to track players too as well as myself. You could go to a tracking site and see my stack steadily trend up for years. Lots of ups and downs, but trended steadily up. Then one month I lost everything. Played the same way, lost nearly every game. For a month. Routine bad beats on the river. Once I was broke I stopped playing. The news about the cheating came out about 2 weeks later.
I'll play every now and then these day, but not 5-6 games a night like I used to. It's clearly not a fair environment.
 
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