Shhhh...when Texas becomes mostly Hispanic we can let Mexico invade and take it back...but they have to take the wingnut Anglo Texicans with them.
If you want to know why Putin is threatening Ukraine.
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Spanked you on this topic before. When the Soviet Union fell apart, Ukraine was allowed to break off. Crimea was Russia since 1783 under Catherine the Great. In a drunken stupor, Krushchev gave it away...without a vote in 1954. No one complained then because Ukraine was under the SU umbrella. Ukraine signed a deal with Russia in the 90's for Russia to maintain their Black Sea fleet there. The deal was due to expire in 2017. Medvedev re-signed a 25 year deal on top of 2017, now expiring in 2042. Look it up. Called the Kharkiv Accords.
After Obama and Cookie Puss, Victoria Nuland, staged their coup on Maidan by backing the neo-Nazis, they started a genocide in Donbass that voted over 90% for the Moscow friendly government of Yanukovych. That government was illegal. Today, Zelensky has shut down 3 of the top media companies that lean Russian. They put the leading opposition, Viktor Medvechuk, under house arrest...because...you know...freedom and democracy.
They (the illegal government) made the Russian language illegal and burned people alive in the Trade Union bldg. in Odessa. Crimeans feared for their life knowing how the neo-Nazis are filled with hate. In a referendum that was observed by international organizations, 97% voted to secede from Ukraine. Gallup poll #'s pre and post putsch support the Russians here as over 77% consider themselves Russian. If we could break away from England, why can't they?
They would lose. It also explains why the Russophobic NATO are trying desperately to deny the operation of NS2, to deny them revenue.
But, they are not trying to take over their resources in Ukraine. Russia has over $30 Trillion more than their closest competitor. They do not wish to throw themselves into that dumpster fire to the west. They would have to take on another 25M pensioners. NATO wants their only warm water port for obvious geopolitical reasons. It ain't gonna happen. As Obama said, they (Russia) have escalatory dominance.
Crimea was sceded to Ukraine in the 1950's by Nikita Krushev.
Love watch Nat go full Russky! It's quite glorious.
It's Russky to speak the truth? I suppose that's why you twits can only come back with insults. Was John Mearsheimer a Russky? He was West Point and a CFR member. I'm actually just parroting pretty much what an educated person preaches. Along with Stephen Cohen who was Chairman Emeritus at Princeton and NYU.
So did "Russia"
The old Soviet Union no longer exists.
Crimea went to Ukraine
FULL STOP
So I guess Russia can say ceding Crimea to Ukraine was accidentally done by a drunk guy so they can take it back.
And? Lots of territory passed hands in the 20th century. Should it all be restored?
Wait until he hears about Alaska!
Yeah...I guess that referendum by people yearning to be free of neo-Nazis had nothing to do with it. Democracy worked.
"referendum" = Armed green men at polling stations. 90% of the counted vote was leave. Sounds legit.
The earlier published documents and materials that have emerged more recently confirm that the transfer of Crimea from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR was carried out in accordance with the 1936 Soviet constitution, which in Article 18 stipulated that "the territory of a Union Republic may not be altered without its consent." The proceedings of the USSR Supreme Soviet Presidium meeting indicate that both the Russian SFSR and the Ukrainian SSR had given their consent via their republic parliaments.
NO TAKESIE-BACKSIES!!!
When's the last time you've been back? I haven't been in a while because the visa is such a PITA but I'm thinking you don't have that trouble.
Wrong again. They were already there under the Kharkiv Accord. Pre and post Gallup poll #'s show Crimeans favored Russia. Why do you hate the freedom to secede?
No, the Russians Empire annexed Crimea in the late 1700s because they were tired of centuries of muslim slave raids launched from there.
What do you find more compelling, the desires of the people who live in Crimea, or the diktat of a dead commie dictator?
They did and now they do!
Do you reject the Declaration of Independence?
Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
In some ways, not a bad analogy.
The Sudetenland was full of German people.
So when the Allies created Czechoslovakia out of the remains of the German and Austrian Empires they added ~3 million Germans to a country of ~9 million people. This was done literally just for the geographic features (defensive) of the mountains themselves that make up the 'Sudetenland' and no thought whatsoever for the desires of the people themselves to be in one nation or another post WW1.
The U.S. instigated the coup in Ukraine in a bid to remove the Russians only deep water port on the Black Sea.
I guess they imagined the Russians would meekly accept it.
I'm just thankful those idiots haven't started WW3 yet.
And then a Washington backed putsch took place in Feb/2014 and the neo-Nazis of the new ILLEGAL government in Kiev started its act of genocide in Donbass. The Russian Crimeans feared for their lives and that thing called freedom took place...a referendum. Strange how you back neo-Nazis and genociders.
This occurred even after Russia warned NATO in Feb/2008 that this was their redline. In April/2008 at the NATO summit in Bucharest, Washington flipped the bird at Moscow and said Georgia and Ukraine were on their way to becoming members of NATO.
In Aug/2008, another act of aggression on the part of the West and our puppet, Mikheil Saakashvili, attempting to pick a fight with Russia. He was bitch-slapped and the EU Council found Georgia guilty.
There was also an agreement between James Baker and Gorby in '90 that if Moscow allowed German re-unification, it was promised that NATO would NOT move 1 inch to the East (meaning East Germany). Yes...it was verbal. But, would that matter if it was in stone? We are agreement incapable. See JCPOA, INF and ABM treaties or the many we broke with Native-Americans. Then, Clinton came into office and bombed Yugoslavia for 78 straight days and annexed Kosovo. Soon, 13 former Warsaw Pact members were now under NATO with nukes on the Estonia border. But, remember, Moscow is the aggressor.
We are illegally occupying 30% of Syria...or let's just call it an annexation. Bitch about things you can change.
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