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I'm beginning to think that everyone stays

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Jones and Jok go, but I'd think everyone else is here for the long haul.

Williams is earning minutes, Wagner is showing signs of life, Dom is playing better, and Brady isn't likely to go. Dailey probably should have taken the shirt, but I doubt if he bolts.

Conner walks on. Next year if Garza and Nunge earn time we may see some people leave, but the way the guys came together when Peter went out I just don't think we will get transfers.
 
As hard as Fran has it this year trying to figure out minutes it's going to get tougher next year. I think Kreiner sees more minutes next year. He's probably this teams best defensive rebounder, which is one of this teams biggest weaknesses. He also probably has the most room for growth strength wise this offseason. Garza should see some time at the 5 as well. Guys like Wagner and Uhl will have to play the 3 to see more minutes but with Baer already playing the 3 there won't be many minutes to go around.

I hate playing more than 8 or 9 guys because it's hard for anyone to get into a rhythm but if Fran does consistently go 10+ deep I think we need to press the whole game and make it an advantage for us instead of a disadvantage. I love all the pieces this team will have but if there is one thing Fran has struggled with at times it's rotations and he will have his most difficult job yet next year.
 
After having the two over-time game @ Minny, thought the team looked a bit fatigued in the second half @ Mich St. I would have liked to to have seen more 2nd half rotation to keep their legs fresh and the pressure on. Shots were coming up short at times. Cutting, motion offense, and ball movement slowed down some. Could have helped defensive closing out also.

Dailey will most likely absorb some of Jok's minutes next year and I hope will be a key contributor.
 
I hope everyone stays - really like your team. Much more athletic this year and a lot of fun to watch. Great freshmen class. If they all stay - Iowa will be a force!
 
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As hard as Fran has it this year trying to figure out minutes it's going to get tougher next year. I think Kreiner sees more minutes next year. He's probably this teams best defensive rebounder, which is one of this teams biggest weaknesses. He also probably has the most room for growth strength wise this offseason. Garza should see some time at the 5 as well. Guys like Wagner and Uhl will have to play the 3 to see more minutes but with Baer already playing the 3 there won't be many minutes to go around.

I hate playing more than 8 or 9 guys because it's hard for anyone to get into a rhythm but if Fran does consistently go 10+ deep I think we need to press the whole game and make it an advantage for us instead of a disadvantage. I love all the pieces this team will have but if there is one thing Fran has struggled with at times it's rotations and he will have his most difficult job yet next year.

Generally agree. But, I don't think Wagner can play the 3 - on offense or defense.

Basketball "rotations" are kinda like play calling in football. You can decide after the rotation if it was effective. Hard to tell when his rotations aren't right when they go on the floor.
 
It will be interesting to see what improvements players make. Confidence is always a factor in improved skills showing up on the court. I think Williams needs to take a big jump in either his ball handling or shooting to be a factor. If he does then he becomes a viable option for bigger minutes next year at pg. With Jok leaving, minutes will be available for Dailey to grab. These are the two guys based on minutes playerd that I might guess transfer but I hope they stay. As a previous poster said the following year is where we may see guys leave.
 
As hard as Fran has it this year trying to figure out minutes it's going to get tougher next year. I think Kreiner sees more minutes next year. He's probably this teams best defensive rebounder, which is one of this teams biggest weaknesses. He also probably has the most room for growth strength wise this offseason. Garza should see some time at the 5 as well. Guys like Wagner and Uhl will have to play the 3 to see more minutes but with Baer already playing the 3 there won't be many minutes to go around.

I hate playing more than 8 or 9 guys because it's hard for anyone to get into a rhythm but if Fran does consistently go 10+ deep I think we need to press the whole game and make it an advantage for us instead of a disadvantage. I love all the pieces this team will have but if there is one thing Fran has struggled with at times it's rotations and he will have his most difficult job yet next year.

Agree with most of what you say, although I won't like watching Uhl at the 3. Wagner has finally figured out that he can dunk, which is good to see, and is even acting like his summer league Blake Griffin self when he's taken guys off the dribble a couple times in recent games.
 
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If everybody stays I will be shocked. I just don't see it. These kids these days are all about
themselves and want playing time.
I like the freshmen class, but I think the class coming in next year is even better.
I think Garza will start at the 5 and Nunge is going to be pushing for minutes at the 3.
He will be better than Uhl the minute he's steps on the court.
Connor will be pushing for minutes at PG and SG.ese
We have JBo, Moss, Ellingson, Williams & Dailey for guards.
We have Baer, Uhl, Wagner. Pemsyl. Cook & Kreiner for forwards.
Of these 11 guys only 5 freshmen plus Baer and Ellingson should play plus the 3 newbies.
That's your top 10 and future for Iowa basketball.
 
I think the key to next season is Connor. If he can play back up pg and give some good minutes it lets us move CW to the 2 or 3 spot and let him play his natural position. He looks like he could be really good as a 3, IMHO, assuming he works on his shot over the off season. I'm going to assume some of the freshmen take a step backward, sophomore slump, but that Ellingson, Uhl, Baer, and Wagner come back with a vengeance, play better and we play for a NCAA bid next season.
 
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I think the key to next season is Connor. If he can play back up pg and give some good minutes it lets us move CW to the 2 or 3 spot and let him play his natural position. He looks like he could be really good as a 3, IMHO, assuming he works on his shot over the off season. I'm going to assume some of the freshmen take a step backward, sophomore slump, but that Ellingson, Uhl, Baer, and Wagner come back with a vengeance, play better and we play for a NCAA bid next season.
It would be nice to see Uhl have a great senior year, but I don't know. I'm afraid we may have seen his best already. He seems to have the same disease that Woody had, and just can't finish at the rim. Baer is a do everything junk yard dog kind of player. I think were getting about 95% out of our former walk on,(which is pretty darn good). Wagners hard to read. He's progressed some this year, but still needs a lot of work on his overall skills. His major issue I think is he's another tweener. Over the last several weeks we've kind of seen a summary of Ellingson so far. Looked great in a couple of games against lesser teams, and didn't do much, (at least shooting wise), against two better teams. Still holding out hope that he'll be really sold the last couple of years.
 
Agree with most of what you say, although I won't like watching Uhl at the 3. Wagner has finally figured out that he can dunk, which is good to see, and is even acting like his summer league Blake Griffin self when he's taken guys off the dribble a couple times in recent games.
Wagner probably has the quickest first step on the team. The problem is that teams will just play off him and he will kill our spacing if he plays SF. The other issue is that he's not a very good defensive rebounder. He's a classic tweener that has holes in his game depending on where you play him. He showed decent ball handling and has good vision but when your defender can just sit in the lane and play off you it kills the flow of the offense. You never know how guys will improve during the summer but if he's going to play SF (which is his only option next year IMO) he has a lot of work to do to find minutes with that many bodies on the team.
 
Generally agree. But, I don't think Wagner can play the 3 - on offense or defense.

Basketball "rotations" are kinda like play calling in football. You can decide after the rotation if it was effective. Hard to tell when his rotations aren't right when they go on the floor.
That's the issue, one of this teams biggest weaknesses is defensive rebounding and Wagner at the 4 is part of the problem. I think a stronger Kreiner next year will take over the 5 spot with Garza. That leaves Cook and Pemsl at the 4. Unless Wagner wants to play 5 minutes a game he better be willing to play the 3. I agree that his game right now isn't suited for the 3, so as much as I like his athleticism and unselfishness I just don't see where he fits in going forward. Kreiner and Garza can both shoot so maybe Wagner's lack of an outside shot won't be as big of a deal as I think but right now I think he is sitting behind a couple guys at every position next year.
 
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Generally agree. But, I don't think Wagner can play the 3 - on offense or defense.

Basketball "rotations" are kinda like play calling in football. You can decide after the rotation if it was effective. Hard to tell when his rotations aren't right when they go on the floor.

Wagner can definitely gaurd 3s. Hes the best athlete on the team, he can't play a wing on offense though.
 
If everybody stays I will be shocked. I just don't see it. These kids these days are all about
themselves and want playing time.
I like the freshmen class, but I think the class coming in next year is even better.
I think Garza will start at the 5 and Nunge is going to be pushing for minutes at the 3.
He will be better than Uhl the minute he's steps on the court.
Connor will be pushing for minutes at PG and SG.ese
We have JBo, Moss, Ellingson, Williams & Dailey for guards.
We have Baer, Uhl, Wagner. Pemsyl. Cook & Kreiner for forwards.
Of these 11 guys only 5 freshmen plus Baer and Ellingson should play plus the 3 newbies.
That's your top 10 and future for Iowa basketball.

I hope nunge red shirts just like uthoff did since see lot of similarities and give him an extra year to get stronger. Even tough it was injury related think Ellingson we will see the benefits the next 2 years. Really wish Dailey would have RS this year. Not a Badger fan but one reason why they've had success is guys like Ethan Happ who are willing to red shirt and minus uthoff didn't see many guys leave. As another poster mentioned if Connor comes in as a capable back up pg would be nice to see Williams play off the ball. Saw in small glimpses last year how he could do well in that role.
 
All the players will improve with summer workouts and then the trip to Germany. Some of the guys will improve dramatically just with strength and conditioning. All will improve their skills. I like the fact that so many got a chance to play. Really has shown coaches what each player has for strengths and weaknesses.
 
All the players will improve with summer workouts and then the trip to Germany. Some of the guys will improve dramatically just with strength and conditioning. All will improve their skills. I like the fact that so many got a chance to play. Really has shown coaches what each player has for strengths and weaknesses.

Didn't know they had a Euro trip this summer. Excellent timing!
 
All the players will improve with summer workouts and then the trip to Germany. Some of the guys will improve dramatically just with strength and conditioning. All will improve their skills. I like the fact that so many got a chance to play. Really has shown coaches what each player has for strengths and weaknesses.

Good point perfect year for over seas trip with younger team. One big thing I'm looking to see next year is how much improvement we seen from cook, Wagner and pemsl on 12-15 foot jumpers and ft shooting. Those 3 get more consistent in that area look out. I think cook we will see more outside shooting next year because I think people still forget he had surgery on a finger on his shooting hand and effect it has on his jumpers. Also with trip love how Fran has them going to Germany for Dom just like he set up in games in England for olaseni.
 
Next year we should see improvement not only in the individual players but as a team as well. Motion offense, sets,ball screens, flare screens, defensive rotations and fast break defense etc.
 
I think the key to next season is Connor. If he can play back up pg and give some good minutes it lets us move CW to the 2 or 3 spot and let him play his natural position. He looks like he could be really good as a 3, IMHO, assuming he works on his shot over the off season. I'm going to assume some of the freshmen take a step backward, sophomore slump, but that Ellingson, Uhl, Baer, and Wagner come back with a vengeance, play better and we play for a NCAA bid next season.

CW doesn't look like he is ever going to be much of a jump shot threat. He should be able to improve his dribble drive and finishing and his defense and his ball handling.
 
I think that the first of the new players next year to make an impact will be Connor McCaffery. He could be in the starting unit. I see Garza and Nunge having to work their way up the ladder. Baer, Cook, Pemsl and Wagner aren't going to give up their spots readily, and they should all be improved next year. I didn't see any special moves that Garza has. I think he's a taller Kriener, and Kriener will give him a run at the position. As far as someone leaving-- Jones could be it, and Connor walks on.
 
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Well I don't want to start rumors and maybe I am out of touch but Moss tweeted something last night "Time for a change". I don't know what that means? Maybe a dinner selection? Maybe changing shoes for the games?

Like I said I don't want to start rumors, but I thought that was strange.
 
Well I don't want to start rumors and maybe I am out of touch but Moss tweeted something last night "Time for a change". I don't know what that means? Maybe a dinner selection? Maybe changing shoes for the games?

Like I said I don't want to start rumors, but I thought that was strange.

Moss starts for a B1G team. It doesn't happen often that Power 5 starters transfer. Unless they are miserable, what would the point be?
 
After having the two over-time game @ Minny, thought the team looked a bit fatigued in the second half @ Mich St. I would have liked to to have seen more 2nd half rotation to keep their legs fresh and the pressure on. Shots were coming up short at times. Cutting, motion offense, and ball movement slowed down some. Could have helped defensive closing out also.

Dailey will most likely absorb some of Jok's minutes next year and I hope will be a key contributor.
Connor will most likely absorb some of Jok;s minutes next year, not Dailey. Connor is a better basketball player right now than Dailey is.
 
Connor will most likely absorb some of Jok;s minutes next year, not Dailey. Connor is a better basketball player right now than Dailey is.

you might be wrong you might be right...BUT...rest assured if posters think the Woody Bashers came out in full force...just wait til Connor McCaffery has a poor game...it will be brutal. B R U T A L..
 
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Moss starts for a B1G team. It doesn't happen often that Power 5 starters transfer. Unless they are miserable, what would the point be?

especially for a player that has already burned a redshirt.
 
I don't think Cook HAS to improve his outside shooting (it would be nice tho). I would be thrilled if he started rebounding like he is capable of doing. I think he can add 4 rbs per game, which would translate to 4 pts a game by the team. Plus if he hit the boards, he might get more put backs for pts.
 
A rundown IMO of what everyone needs to focus on this off season

Wagner - Ball handling and shooting. Best athlete on the team. With the crowded front court next year, his best chance for minutes is the play the 3. No question he can guard the 3, on offense however we would need to invert him into the post the a la Wisconsin. If he can make a 15-17fter he would be a real problem.

Baer - Shooting. His jumper is still a little inconsistent. Although his bigger problem may be that he settles for them too often.

Uhl - Mentality and finishing at the rim. Just needs to be more aggressive. Plays far too passive. Starts a drive and pulls up in no mans land. Either pull up for the floater, or go at the tin!

Bohannon - Finishing at the rim. Kid is nails. Great shooter, great floor general. The only thing he needs to add is attacking the rim with confidence. Get blocked a few times...who cares...will draw a lot of fouls and that is never a bad thing when you are a 90% FT shooter.

Williams - Defense. I don't think he is ever going to be a PG. I think his handle is ok, but he is just not comfortable there. His role on this team is to be our defensive stopper. Use his length and quickness to provide on ball pressure and get in passing lanes in the zone.

Ellingson - Mentality. Like Uhl I think his main issue is his lack of aggression. Although at the same time, this can be an asset in that he doesn't make mistakes. Kid has proven in the games he got minutes to be a great shooter and a really good play maker. Was fantastic in the press against Minnesota too and is overall underrated on D.

Cook - Rebounding and shooting. I think rebounding is the bigger issue. Would it be great for him to add a 15fter, obviously. Could he be better on D, sure. His biggest issue is that he is too good of an athlete to not rebound better. To me it seems that its an effort issue. In high school he could get away with it, but in the B1G you need to go after rebounds!

Pemsl - Shooting and a right hand. Two reasons here. 1) if he can step out and hit a shot it makes the pairing with Cook work better. 2) makes his post game much stronger. The right hand is obvious as most of the league has already figured out he only goes left.

Moss - Confidence. Disappears in games too much. I think that has a lot to do with him "deferring" to Jok, but we have seen a couple of time this year, when he is confident and aggressive he can score in a lot of different ways. He is already as good as anyone in the league finishing in transition.

Kriener - Man Defense. He does pretty well in the zone, but in man he struggles. Loses sight of ball and man, recovers late, uses his hands too much...all which lead to foul troubles.

Dailey - ? Haven't seen enough of him. What I have seen I've liked. Good handles, good passer, can shoot. Doesn't look like a liability on defense. Like many others have said, probably would have been a good idea to redshirt this year.

We have a ton a versatility, no doubt the hardest part will be finding minutes, finding rotations, lineups that work well together. Lineups that are bigger, smaller, better defensively, better offensively, etc.
 
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you might be wrong you might be right...BUT...rest assured if posters think the Woody Bashers came out in full force...just wait til Connor McCaffery has a poor game...it will be brutal. B R U T A L..

Every player is going to have a poor game, it's a given. I would even go as far and say Connor is better than Williams.
 
Williams - no outside jump shot so not a good option at 2/3, tentative going to the basket, decent defense. Very little change in role next, still a backup
Uhl - probably seen his peak. Not likely to get Aaron White improvement for his senior year. Could actually lose playing time with a couple more 4/5 players coming
Ellingson - Oglesby Jr. He is what he is
Cook - work on shooting (both from field and line) and learn how to rebound. Ton of upside, but it will be on him to develop as Iowa coaches don't seem to develop post position
Wagner - similar to Cook. Needs to be able to shoot outside 2 feet and make FT. While not quite as tall, he could be an Olesani type guy in the lane
Pemsl - as noted, needs to get the right hand as part of his offense. IMO, has best post game in Fran's tenure. Get the FT % up and he will major asset
Kriener - needs controlled aggressiveness and improved foot speed. could get in lots of foul trouble with expanded playing time because of this. Like his jump shot but seems to struggle in the half court sets at times
Baer - love his game. Energy, defense and smarts. I would take 9 more of him and we could just run a platoon system then
Bohannon - good shooter and better ball handler than I expected. Not a true PG though and likely never going to be able to take guys of the dribble. This will keep him from being a big time scorer though. Still learning the PG role and only makes the sure pass but sometimes that is a little late to really take advantage of the opening
Dailey - has shown some flashes to be helpful. Would like to see more of him as he may be the best mix of offense and defense on the perimeter. Could see him be the one to transfer just for a greater opportunity
Moss - believe he could be a Jok type shooter. Excellent attack of the rim. Get the sense that Fran is holding him back both from his attacking the basket and trust in playing time as we rarely see him on the court late in the second half
Incoming freshman - TBD. However, Connor will not improve the dribble drive issue that has been a problem for most of the last 5 years. Unfortunately, his last name will probably give him more PT

Overall, this can be a pretty good team, but in addition to each player improving the team defense has to get better for them to make that next step.
 
Moss will average 12 ppg plus next season. We've all seen what he can do. Next year he will do those things with more consistency. Scoring in transition, his two hard dribble and pop move etc. He's a lot of fun to watch and my favorite Hawkeye bballer.
 
I don't think Cook HAS to improve his outside shooting (it would be nice tho). I would be thrilled if he started rebounding like he is capable of doing. I think he can add 4 rbs per game, which would translate to 4 pts a game by the team. Plus if he hit the boards, he might get more put backs for pts.
So true. Don't care if Cook ever shoots another three in college. For his 6'9" 258lbs frame he is not getting it done on the boards. Its all about the WANT TOO! He should be a 9 or 10 rebound a game guy. He's also still holding on to the ball to long on the block, trying to make multiple moves. He's obviously got the tools to be a very good to great BIG power forward. The question is, how much work is he willing to do, to get there.
 
So true. Don't care if Cook ever shoots another three in college. For his 6'9" 258lbs frame he is not getting it done on the boards. Its all about the WANT TOO! He should be a 9 or 10 rebound a game guy. He's also still holding on to the ball to long on the block, trying to make multiple moves. He's obviously got the tools to be a very good to great BIG power forward. The question is, how much work is he willing to do, to get there.
Can we get Reggie Evans to come to Iowa City and school Cook in the art of the rebound all summer? Evans had a very similar build and limited offensive game but has been in the NBA how many years by focusing on Rebounding and putting the ball back up.
 
Can we get Reggie Evans to come to Iowa City and school Cook in the art of the rebound all summer? Evans had a very similar build and limited offensive game but has been in the NBA how many years by focusing on Rebounding and putting the ball back up.
Yes, Reggie had that Dennis Rodman attitude toward rebounding. Basically every missed shot was his. Cook, may be built a lot like Reggie, but I think he's quicker off his feet, and more explosive then Reggie was. This should help him if he sets his mind to hitting the boards.
 
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