Only to talk about his toughness tonight. This is what's been missing from our program for a solid 10 years. I may be over analyzing one game, but he was a bruiser tonight. You don't have a team unless you have a guy with some chippiness and some toughness. I can see it in Cook too. We have a great young nucleus if we can keep it around (cook not being a one and done).
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Called it before the game that he needed to get Cooks minutes because of his offense. However I expected better from him tonight on the glass and he gave up some big Notre Dame offensive boards. Still like his upside over anyone else while Cook is out for the forwards.
In pemsl's defense, he had good rebounding position on the ND 5 many times. The ND guy was allowed to go over the back repeatedly. Suppose if they aren't going to call that then it wasn't good position. But he was between his man and the basket regardless.
There is no such thing as over the back. There is no foul for someone behind you being taller or out jumping the player with better position. However there is a pushing foul if you displace the player with better position.
Adam Woodbury brought chipiness and toughness from day one. I agree, Pemsl absolutely brings grittiness to the floor but it has not been missing the past four years.
I strongly disagree. Woodbury was an act. This kid has a genuine toughness to him.
Last night was the first time I have seen Pemsl play and I thought, for a true frosh, he looked like the real deal. As another poster suggested, he brought some toughness up front and I think he showed some high basketball IQ for a kid this early in his career. I believe he will become a great one for Iowa as he gains more experience.
He needs to block out/create space as hard as he posts up on offense. When he starts doing that, and he will, he will be a very good player.
I'm sorry... how many games did Iowa surrender the point totals we have seen this past week to ten days while Woodbury was 'acting'?
The current crop is young and will improve defensively. One of the best things they can do is watch and listen to tape of Iowa's games the past four seasons. Pay particularly close attention to how AW helped to direct the defensive effort. He was a first-class Hawk.
Holy shit. An act? Please explain how one's toughness can be categorized as an "act". It's a mindset and Woodbury absolutely had it.
Woody did what he did best to help his team win...that wasn't an act. You never know...maybe he stoled someones' date or something.
Man you are right on and I don't think we can over emphasize your point. Frankly we have had some good Iowa teams that just didn't have the toughness we needed. I think Fran realized that and recruited guys that were hardnosed and tough. It makes a big difference over the course of a season. Love the way Cordell responded to his first start.
Where do people come up with this crap? You can knock Woodbury on some aspects of his game, I suppose, but his toughness and intensity were never questioned while he was a Hawk. I guess those 750-something rebounds just fell in his lap.
“I always said that maybe Adam Woodbury will be appreciated when he’s gone,” McCaffery said Monday on a teleconference. “Because not only was he seven-feet tall, he was one of the most effective, efficient and intelligent defender big guy that I’ve ever been around.
I hope you can see the obvious drop-off in Iowa's defense and rebounding so far this season without Woodbury in the line-up.
“He was always in the right place,” McCaffery said of Woodbury, who was a four-year starter for Iowa and now plays in the NBA d-league. “He always saw what was coming. If we went to a scouting report, he knew what plays they were running and where he had to get himself and where everybody else had to get to, and he communicated that constantly to everybody else.
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No. Somebody that's tough doesn't do all those little cheap things he did. That's a coward. Take your black and gold glasses off. If he played for ISU and did that crap, you wouldn't call him tough.
Wrong again. To even suggest otherwise shows your true self here.
The 'little cheap things he did' were never intentional. You might be surprised to know that similar things happen more often than you realize. When it is a seven footer and the events are over-dramatized ( or did we miss where there was lasting injury) and the offended parties did their part to play the victim it becomes a talking point for the Dan Dakich(?) types.
I've seen isu do as bad or ever worse. Does that bother you?
Someone that is tough will get in the face of other players with a look in their eye that you know the ref is going to need to separate them. Woody would do all this tough guy act as he was walking away. I never once saw him really actually get after someone. It's about attitude. Pemsl had it last night. Woody never had it.
mplshawkeye21 makes a very solid first post followed by an incredibly inaccurate and lame post. Turns out his first post was just an act.
LOL, riiiight. The Wisconsin game is enough evidence for me to say otherwise. Dakich was 100% right, Fran was wrong. The way Fran handled it was embarrassing as well.
Strike three (or is that four)?
Woody was tough as nails. For whatever obscure reason, you don't like him. That's okay. Just do not substitute your opinion for reality.
(Also, there are officials that take very dim and short-leashed views of getting in another player's face... some consider it to be nothing more than taunting/baiting the other player. It can cost both the player and the team dearly. Thankfully, Woody had the presence of mind and maturity to let his play do the talking.)
Dakich should go back and review some of his own game film. Better yet, put it out there and allow others to critique his play back in the day. Classic pot trying to find a kettle to call black.
Oh, and you and the OP deserve each other.
Not sure how that is relevant as to whether or not Woodbury deserved to be called out...oh wait, it's not. Try harder.
Are you unable to read? I believe that there are comments from the Iowa coaching staff reposted right here that directly address that issue.
Come clean... tell everyone what Woody did to you to make you hate him so badly. Did he refuse to let you take a selfie? Maybe it was an autograph? Get it out there and be done with it. You will feel so much better.
What do you expect the coaches to say? Of course they're going to defend him. Did you think they were going to come out and call him a pu$$y?
Sounds like you have a big ol' woody for Woody. I think you're the one that needs to come clean here.
Sure.... Fran strikes me as the kind of guy that never speaks his mind and dances around the truth.
Let's reverse this... YOU tell me/'us why it was that teams were not scoring as many points against Iowa last year.
(This will be good.
)I already said that woodys effort was great. He played hard. That's not the same as toughness. I feel like I'm arguing with my 2 year old right now. Holy crap.Sure.... Fran strikes me as the kind of guy that never speaks his mind and dances around the truth.
Let's reverse this... YOU tell me/'us why it was that teams were not scoring as many points against Iowa last year.
(This will be good.
Using your established and irrefutable (to you anyway) criteria, it cannot be both ways. Either Woody was 'weak' and all the other teams had to do was to stare him down or talk more trash and he would have cowered or he was tough and other teams found that out when trying to score in the paint.
Effort in this case, led to results. The very same type of results that will be evidenced by this younger group of players once they are a little more comfortable with their roles on the team.
Now, answer the question. Where were the 92 point nights for opponents last season?
you should really just stop....effort + playing hard does not equal toughness....
...ok.you started all this claiming Woodbury was an 'act'...once you figured out that was one dumbass comment....you moved into this idiotic thing about effort....playing hard....toughness.
you win....
....I could run my fake ankle into the wall and it wouldn't hurt as bad as your post on #34........
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oh crap...noooooo...u are probably sitting around your kitchen table with a couple of buddies & a couple of Coors...laughing your ass off...
very true .... he was a defensive minded player. Something it seems we have been hearing a lot lately of how we are not very good at.
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