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In Italy, Where Pizza Was Born, Domino’s Bows Out

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It turns out that Italians don’t necessarily like pineapple on their pizza, after all. Or at least not enough to keep nearly three dozen Domino’s Pizza franchises afloat.
Last month, the Italian outlets of the American pizza conglomerate extinguished their pizza ovens, unable to win over picky palates in the place where pizza was invented.
Though the company’s Italian website remained live, outlets in Turin, Parma, Rome and elsewhere offered the same discouraging message: “Sun. to Sat. CLOSED.” Domino’s international map was more up-to-date. It listed 90 international markets, but Italy was not among them.
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Bloomberg reported Tuesday and court documents show that Domino’s Italian franchise had “sought protection from creditors” earlier this year “after running out of cash and falling behind on its debt obligations.”

Bloomberg said the company had 10.6 million euros ($10.8 million) of debt at the end of 2020.
The closure ended an ambitious business venture that had aimed to tantalize Italians looking to try something new, like cheeseburger pizza or BBQ chicken pizza.
Domino’s Pizza Italia opened its first outlet in Milan in 2015, via a franchising agreement with a local company, ePizza.
In a legal filing in Milan in April, lawyers for ePizza said that the company had been optimistic about entering the Italian market in 2015, “the second largest market in the world” of pizza eaters, after the United States. At the time, too, Italy didn’t have a structured, large scale, home delivery model like the Domino’s Pizza model.
Just two years ago, media reports relayed the Italian company’s plans to open 850 stores over the next decade, with the aim of claiming a 2 percent stake of the national pizza market.



By 2021, 34 restaurants bore the Domino’s brand. And a representative for Domino’s Pizza Italia had cheered the opening of the fifth restaurant in Rome, suggesting that Italians had been open to American-style pizza. There were Italians “who are not afraid of putting pineapple on a pizza,” the representative had said.

But the coronavirus pandemic changed everything.
With restaurants and bars closed for long stretches of time during sundry lockdowns, many began to adopt the takeout and home delivery model that Domino’s pizza had sought to dominate Italy with. The proliferation of food delivery platforms like Deliveroo, Glovo or Just Eat “have notably increased the competition” for ePizza, according to the April legal filing in Milan.
Representatives for ePizza and Domino’s Pizza in the United States and in Italy did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Other culinary ventures that naysayers said were doomed to fail in Italy have done quite well. When Starbucks opened its first Italian venue in 2018, many said that Italians accustomed to thimble-sized espressos would snub the company’s maxi sizes, and its prices. But Percassi, the Italian licensee for the American company, has since opened 18 stores throughout northern and central Italy, including a drive through.
Alessandro Lazzaroni, for five years the chief executive of Domino’s Pizza Italia, left the company in December 2020 and is now chief executive of Crazy Pizza, a high-end pizzeria started by the Italian businessman Flavio Briatore, a former director of the Benetton and Renault Formula One racing teams. Crazy Pizza made headlines in Italy this summer after Neapolitan pizza makers complained that the pizzas were too expensive.
And after all, Italians are picky about their pizza.
Stefano Auricchio, the director general of an association that protects “real Neapolitan pizza” said he was sorry to hear that Domino’s Pizza had closed “because it impoverishes the market in general,” as families have fewer options to choose from.
That said, he thought that in recent years Italians had evolved their palate for pizza and were looking for more “artisanal products” over chain brands. “There is a tendency now to recognize the work of the chef” and the quality of the products, he said.
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According to a study recently commissioned by the association, Neapolitan pizza evoked concepts of “quality, well being and family,” notions that large pizza chains “with their standardized products” struggled to match.
“Neapolitan pizza is the mother of all pizza, even Italian pizza,” he said. “It all started here.”
But food does go on. One former Domino’s Pizza site on a busy Rome street was closed on Tuesday. But a big sign had been painted on the roll up door announcing the opening of a restaurant selling piadina, a flat unleavened bread, griddled and stuffed with various ingredients, that is popular in central Italy: “Coming Soon. Gino Piada.”

 
I'm not a chain hater but Domino's is pretty bad.
It's better than Pizza Hut, Papa John's, Pizza Ranch, and Little Ceasars, but I still wouldn't say it's good pizza. Price point separates it from the others (except Little Ceasars), so that's why it's my go to of the four listed. Little Ceasars is just God awful except for the crazy bread.
 
It's better than Pizza Hut, Papa John's, Pizza Ranch, and Little Ceasars, but I still wouldn't say it's good pizza. Price point separates it from the others (except Little Ceasars), so that's why it's my go to of the four listed. Little Ceasars is just God awful except for the crazy bread.
I know Godfather's is mostly just sold in convenience stores now but it's amongst the best chain pizza IMO.
 
“Where Pizza was Born”….that’s just some straight BS where Italians especially those from Naples are trying to claim an American invention. What you, I and everyone on the planet think of as “pizza” (ie a flat bread with tomato sauce topped with mozzarella and then possibly some additional items) was invented separately and basically simultaneously in New York City and Trenton New Jersey by Sicilian-Americans at some point between 1898-1902.

Sure the Italians had flatbread…so did a lot of cultures before them. Feteer existed in Egypt covered in cheese and sausage long before there was ever pyramids let alone before Romans thought of creating an Italy.

armenian-sausage-feteer.jpg


They even had flatbread with tomatoes on them…so did a lot of cultures before them and they also had flatbreads just topped with lard pieces by themselves or olives.

pizza-con-lardo.jpg


flatbread-pizza-with-olives-onion-and-parsley-553868.jpg


They even just a few years before American citizens invented pizza, had the margherita pizza which had tomatoes and cheese on it at the same time….but originally until our invention the tomatoes were not TOGETHER with the cheese but arranged to look like the Italian flag.
pizza.jpg


Meanwhile the first time something like a flatbread combined with a tomato sauce and cheese occurred was in the good ole USA. The New York City version (this pic is from Lombardis the oldest still in NYC from 1905) featured mozzarella on top of a marinara sauce.

9rxb3vgxxqk31.jpg


And the Trenton version featured mozzarella first with tomatoes and some herbs on top. (This pic is from Papa’s Tomato Pies the oldest Trenton establishment still around from 1912)

bXedZkDOMchYU-MPuqGe0f1-GKhvdkKDsfHTgK4W9ac.jpg


Both of these real pizzas (The NYC “pizza pie” and the Trenton “tomato pie”) eventually worked their way back to Naples and Italy where they‘ve stolen the credit ever since.
 
“Where Pizza was Born”….that’s just some straight BS where Italians especially those from Naples are trying to claim an American invention. What you, I and everyone on the planet think of as “pizza” (ie a flat bread with tomato sauce topped with mozzarella and then possibly some additional items) was invented separately and basically simultaneously in New York City and Trenton New Jersey by Sicilian-Americans at some point between 1898-1902.

Sure the Italians had flatbread…so did a lot of cultures before them. Feteer existed in Egypt covered in cheese and sausage long before there was ever pyramids let alone before Romans thought of creating an Italy.

armenian-sausage-feteer.jpg


They even had flatbread with tomatoes on them…so did a lot of cultures before them and they also had flatbreads just topped with lard pieces by themselves or olives.

pizza-con-lardo.jpg


flatbread-pizza-with-olives-onion-and-parsley-553868.jpg


They even just a few years before American citizens invented pizza, had the margherita pizza which had tomatoes and cheese on it at the same time….but originally until our invention the tomatoes were not TOGETHER with the cheese but arranged to look like the Italian flag.
pizza.jpg


Meanwhile the first time something like a flatbread combined with a tomato sauce and cheese occurred was in the good ole USA. The New York City version (this pic is from Lombardis the oldest still in NYC from 1905) featured mozzarella on top of a marinara sauce.

9rxb3vgxxqk31.jpg


And the Trenton version featured mozzarella first with tomatoes and some herbs on top. (This pic is from Papa’s Tomato Pies the oldest Trenton establishment still around from 1912)

bXedZkDOMchYU-MPuqGe0f1-GKhvdkKDsfHTgK4W9ac.jpg


Both of these real pizzas (The NYC “pizza pie” and the Trenton “tomato pie”) eventually worked their way back to Naples and Italy where they‘ve stolen the credit ever since.
Unbelievable, this guy.
 
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“Where Pizza was Born”….that’s just some straight BS where Italians especially those from Naples are trying to claim an American invention. What you, I and everyone on the planet think of as “pizza” (ie a flat bread with tomato sauce topped with mozzarella and then possibly some additional items) was invented separately and basically simultaneously in New York City and Trenton New Jersey by Sicilian-Americans at some point between 1898-1902.

Sure the Italians had flatbread…so did a lot of cultures before them. Feteer existed in Egypt covered in cheese and sausage long before there was ever pyramids let alone before Romans thought of creating an Italy.

armenian-sausage-feteer.jpg


They even had flatbread with tomatoes on them…so did a lot of cultures before them and they also had flatbreads just topped with lard pieces by themselves or olives.

pizza-con-lardo.jpg


flatbread-pizza-with-olives-onion-and-parsley-553868.jpg


They even just a few years before American citizens invented pizza, had the margherita pizza which had tomatoes and cheese on it at the same time….but originally until our invention the tomatoes were not TOGETHER with the cheese but arranged to look like the Italian flag.
pizza.jpg


Meanwhile the first time something like a flatbread combined with a tomato sauce and cheese occurred was in the good ole USA. The New York City version (this pic is from Lombardis the oldest still in NYC from 1905) featured mozzarella on top of a marinara sauce.

9rxb3vgxxqk31.jpg


And the Trenton version featured mozzarella first with tomatoes and some herbs on top. (This pic is from Papa’s Tomato Pies the oldest Trenton establishment still around from 1912)

bXedZkDOMchYU-MPuqGe0f1-GKhvdkKDsfHTgK4W9ac.jpg


Both of these real pizzas (The NYC “pizza pie” and the Trenton “tomato pie”) eventually worked their way back to Naples and Italy where they‘ve stolen the credit ever since.

Tomatoes weren't introduced into Europe until the 17th century. They were discovered by explorers.

There is no pizza without tomato sauce, and pizza was invented around Naples in the late 1880's. The story goes that it was created by one restaurateur in Naples to celebrate the visit of Queen Margarite, the first Italian monarch since Napoleon conquered Italy. The restaurateur made the pizza from three ingredients that represented the colors of the new Italian flag: red, white, and green. The red is the tomato sauce, the white was the mozzarella cheese, and the green was the basil topping. Hence, Pizza Margarite was born, and is still the standard for pizza. And what could have led more to the popularity of the tomato than pizza!"

 
Thought pizza was an American -Italian invention. Not an Italian invention.

Exactly. There technically were LOTS of pizzas of various kinds before Sicilian-Americans invented it in NYC and Trenton, but they wouldn’t be all that recognizable as what we consider “pizza”. They were basically just flatbreads with one or sometimes a couple toppings (Usually olives, olive oil, lard, chicken fat, duck fat, butter, sausage or cheese). What we (and most of the world) now think of as “pizza” is really the American invention originally called “pizza pie” in NYC and “tomato pie” in Trenton NJ.
 
Tomatoes weren't introduced into Europe until the 17th century. They were discovered by explorers.

There is no pizza without tomato sauce, and pizza was invented around Naples in the late 1880's. The story goes that it was created by one restaurateur in Naples to celebrate the visit of Queen Margarite, the first Italian monarch since Napoleon conquered Italy. The restaurateur made the pizza from three ingredients that represented the colors of the new Italian flag: red, white, and green. The red is the tomato sauce, the white was the mozzarella cheese, and the green was the basil topping. Hence, Pizza Margarite was born, and is still the standard for pizza. And what could have led more to the popularity of the tomato than pizza!"


That‘s just random historical nonsense put forward by the Italians (and a now acknowledged forgery by one Italian pizza maker), America invented what we think of as pizza.


I even referenced in my prior post the Pizza Margherita/Margarite. It did exist at some point roughly around the same time that Pizza developed in NYC and Trenton (the first known pizza as we think of it makers in both American cities and were documented in 1902, the Princess Margarite story even IF true happened in 1899 and by all appearances it’s a completely fabricated story AND the original Margaritas were flags with three separate toppings not combined into one with tomato and mozzarella together in the same bite). Pizza wasn’t considered a major food in Italy into the 1930s meanwhile by the late 19 aughs there were tons of pizza makers throughout NYC and Trenton.
 
That‘s just random historical nonsense put forward by the Italians (and a now acknowledged forgery by one Italian pizza maker), America invented what we think of as pizza.


I even referenced in my prior post the Pizza Margherita/Margarite. It did exist at some point roughly around the same time that Pizza developed in NYC and Trenton (the first known pizza as we think of it makers in both American cities and were documented in 1902, the Princess Margarite story even IF true happened in 1899 and by all appearances it’s a completely fabricated story AND the original Margaritas were flags with three separate toppings not combined into one with tomato and mozzarella together in the same bite). Pizza wasn’t considered a major food in Italy into the 1930s meanwhile by the late 19 aughs there were tons of pizza makers throughout NYC and Trenton.
You're the Cliff Clavin of pizza!
 
I read somewhere that Hawaiian Pizza is outlawed in Italy. Or you can't legally call it "pizza" if it has pineapple on it. Or something like that.

Next they'll claim they invented pizza, when everybody knows it was invented in Canada.
 
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“Where Pizza was Born”….that’s just some straight BS where Italians especially those from Naples are trying to claim an American invention. What you, I and everyone on the planet think of as “pizza” (ie a flat bread with tomato sauce topped with mozzarella and then possibly some additional items) was invented separately and basically simultaneously in New York City and Trenton New Jersey by Sicilian-Americans at some point between 1898-1902.

Sure the Italians had flatbread…so did a lot of cultures before them. Feteer existed in Egypt covered in cheese and sausage long before there was ever pyramids let alone before Romans thought of creating an Italy.

armenian-sausage-feteer.jpg


They even had flatbread with tomatoes on them…so did a lot of cultures before them and they also had flatbreads just topped with lard pieces by themselves or olives.

pizza-con-lardo.jpg


flatbread-pizza-with-olives-onion-and-parsley-553868.jpg


They even just a few years before American citizens invented pizza, had the margherita pizza which had tomatoes and cheese on it at the same time….but originally until our invention the tomatoes were not TOGETHER with the cheese but arranged to look like the Italian flag.
pizza.jpg


Meanwhile the first time something like a flatbread combined with a tomato sauce and cheese occurred was in the good ole USA. The New York City version (this pic is from Lombardis the oldest still in NYC from 1905) featured mozzarella on top of a marinara sauce.

9rxb3vgxxqk31.jpg


And the Trenton version featured mozzarella first with tomatoes and some herbs on top. (This pic is from Papa’s Tomato Pies the oldest Trenton establishment still around from 1912)

bXedZkDOMchYU-MPuqGe0f1-GKhvdkKDsfHTgK4W9ac.jpg


Both of these real pizzas (The NYC “pizza pie” and the Trenton “tomato pie”) eventually worked their way back to Naples and Italy where they‘ve stolen the credit ever since.
Thank you. So glad I didn't have to go nerd out and make this post. You did a far better job than I would have done, btw.
 
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Guess I am in the minority. I like Dominos.

It's not horrible pizza, in the fashion of how I contend just about any hot pizza will get eaten fairly quickly. I mean, Totino's Frozen Pizza has been around for decades and is about as close to a "minimalist pizza" as there is.

Neither will win any flavor competitions, but they'll do in a pinch.

Here's how I look at Domino's. They must be doing something right in the US because they're #1 by far over everybody else.
 
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