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Indiana Grades

UndercoverHawk

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Dec 16, 2015
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125- A+ missed 1st period thinking it started at 7. Undercover gets an F. Way to catch him and stick him.
133- B+ he needs to work on bottom to be more competitive next year. But I liked that he took a shot at the end and didn't back away. That upped his grade from B to B+.
141- C- Carton was gifted a td in the 2nd and then got reversed. Carton did not look good. Let's hope he looks better on Sunday.
149- A+ Sorensen looked great! Glad to see him using some tilts.
157- A+ Kem kept good pace and chain wrestled to get that pinning position.
165- D wtf was the ref doing when Gunther was on bottom? Indiana was on his ankle for 15 seconds before a stall call. Gunther looked awful. He gets that left hand underhook so easy but never uses it. He uses it for defense more.
174- B typical Meyer match. I think Meyer's favorite shot is that crotch lift when they have his legs. Seems to be most of his takedowns.
184- C- that ref had some hometown calls in this match (a td when they were OB, a td when Bowman still had Jackson's leg, and nf on a roll through that was barely a 1 count). I think Bowman is gonna have something to say about the 184 spot next year. He needs to bulk up a little bit and needs more matches but he pushes a hell of a lot better pace than Wilcke and he actually takes shots. I like him better even though Wilcke might have more talent.
197- C- Wilcke is my least favorite Iowa wrestler and he showed why tonight. Dream scenario would be Holloway at 197 and Warner down to 184.
285- B- Holloway moves pretty good just didn't come out on top in last scramble. Holloway has some serious leg strength.
Overall team- B- lots of Hawks looked lethargic.
 
Gunther, Carton, Wilcke all get Fs. We have Jr. high wrestlers that know better than to waste the whole 1st period. There is no excuse to waste a whole period against lesser opponents. Why let them be in t he match and why waste the fans time and money. Maybe I am being a little tough on them but you come to Iowa understanding what the coaches and fans expect. Hollaway should get at least a B+ for picking that guy up and dropping him. he was giving up at least 40-50 lbs.
 
don't disagree with much - some matches were pretty boring though.
I'd give an F- for the Indiana singlets - why don't they wear jock straps?
 
How do you grade Tom Brands for holding out Brooks?
A+...Big match on Sunday and it would have been an 8 hr trip, make weight and 8 hrs back. Dudley is way more important and he will be wrestling at home with only a 4 hr drive. A lot more important to be fresh and win on Sunday. Not the best scheduling by the Big Ten.
 
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How do you grade Tom Brands for holding out Brooks?

I guess I'd give him an A. Why make Brooks bus to Indiana, weigh in, wrestle and bus back before the huge match with Dudley on Sunday. Would have liked to have seen Brooks wrestle tonight, but he has already wrestled him twice this year.

Edit: bb beat me.
 
I guess I'd give him an A. Why make Brooks bus to Indiana, weigh in, wrestle and bus back before the huge match with Dudley on Sunday. Would have liked to have seen Brooks wrestle tonight, but he has already wrestled him twice this year.
Maybe because he's part of the team? You've probably noticed that B1G and NCAA tourneys are multiple matches for multiple days, without 2 days between matches. We're seriously justifying the same action that so many on this board have criticized other teams for doing?
 
Why is the Dudley match any more important? Win or lose he's either the 2 or 3 seed. The outcome of that match has absolutely no importance.
 
Maybe because he's part of the team? You've probably noticed that B1G and NCAA tourneys are multiple matches for multiple days, without 2 days between matches. We're seriously justifying the same action that so many on this board have criticized other teams for doing?

It is a cesspool.....you know.
 
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Maybe because he's part of the team? You've probably noticed that B1G and NCAA tourneys are multiple matches for multiple days, without 2 days between matches. We're seriously justifying the same action that so many on this board have criticized other teams for doing?

Agree......unless Brooks was sick or injured he should have wrestled tonight instead of protecting his seed. Don't recall Coach Gable ever being worried about protecting a seed for one of his wrestlers.
 
Why is the Dudley match any more important? Win or lose he's either the 2 or 3 seed. The outcome of that match has absolutely no importance.
Jackson is undefeated in official big ten matches. If brooks loses to Dudley he could be 4 seed.
 
Gilman, Sorensen, Kemerer: A.

Everyone else: wake me when you decide to start wrestling. Shameful to see Gunther finally get ranked, then expect unranked opponents to fall over for him and as a result get taken into double OT by a guy he should have majored. When you stop being the hunter you become the prey.
 
Agree......unless Brooks was sick or injured he should have wrestled tonight instead of protecting his seed. Don't recall Coach Gable ever being worried about protecting a seed for one of his wrestlers.
Brooks has been banged up off and on this year. It is best for him to be healthy in March. Great call by the coaches. By the way, why do you morons always think you should be second guessing a coach with the track record of Brands? A bunch of idiots on here.
 
Maybe because he's part of the team? You've probably noticed that B1G and NCAA tourneys are multiple matches for multiple days, without 2 days between matches. We're seriously justifying the same action that so many on this board have criticized other teams for doing?

Brooks is a senior...I think he knows that. BTW, this isn't the first time Brands has given guys the night off against turd teams. Score was what, 32-4? I'd rather have a fresh Sammy on Sunday because Nebby is going to be a close dual...especially if Clark can't wrestle.

125-Gilman by dec
133-Nebby by dec if Clark doesn't go; Clark by dec but his one is a toss-up
141-Nebby by dec
149-Brandon by TF
157-Kemerer by Dec
165-Gunther by Dec
174-Meyer by Dec
184-Brooks by dec; This one is a toss up
197-Studebaker by Maj
Hwy-Jensen by Dec

Could end up real close and look who wasn't there tonight...the dudes with the two toughest matches. Tom is doing this to get the win on Sunday.
 
Brooks has wrestled banged up a lot over his 5 years. This was the right call. Why do you morons always think you should be second guessing a coach with the track record of Brands? A bunch of idiots on here.

And I'm sure you are the only one who has the expertise and wisdom to speak for Hawk fans. I simply do not agree with Sammy sitting out tonights meet. Deal with it.....or should I say...deal with it Moron.
 
They didn't know how the overtime worked or know what riding time was..........
My wife was laughing out loud at them so you know they were bad. She wasnt even watching and just overhearing.
I did notice there were no illegal fists to the back tonight. Just a 5 on 2 illegal grab.
 
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And I'm sure you are the only one who has the expertise and wisdom to speak for Hawk fans. I simply do not agree with Sammy sitting out tonights meet. Deal with it.....or should I say...deal with it Moron.
It's like clockwork with people like you. Every year we sit 1 or 2 starters on Friday away duals. Normally the guys who are sat are the ones dealing with nagging injuries. It's been a long season in the toughest weight bracket in the country. It doesn't take a lot of sense to realize his body could probably use a break considering what is coming up in the next few weeks. I wouldn't expect some fatass couch potato to understand.
 
It's like clockwork with morons like you. Every year we sit 1 or 2 starters on Friday away duals. Normally the guys who are sat are the ones dealing with nagging injuries. It's been a long season in the toughest weight bracket in the country. It doesn't take a lot of sense to realize his body could probably use a break considering what is coming up in the next few weeks. I wouldn't expect some fatass couch potato to understand.

Well fatass couch potato I'm not but I have been following Hawk wrestling for over 45 years and do Not like guy's sitting out matches to simply protect their seeding. Not that big of deal in the big picture and hopefully this move does allow Sammy to compete better at the Big 10 Tourney.
 
Well fatass couch potato I'm not but I have been following Hawk wrestling for over 45 years and do Not like guy's sitting out matches to simply protect their seeding. Not that big of deal in the big picture and hopefully this move does allow Sammy to compete better at the Big 10 Tourney.
I get it DPell - not good for tv
 
Well fatass couch potato I'm not but I have been following Hawk wrestling for over 45 years and do Not like guy's sitting out matches to simply protect their seeding. Not that big of deal in the big picture and hopefully this move does allow Sammy to compete better at the Big 10 Tourney.
I am not attacking you when I say anyone dumb enough to think Brands is protecting seeds needs put out to pasture. My last comment on it.
 
Well fatass couch potato I'm not but I have been following Hawk wrestling for over 45 years and do Not like guy's sitting out matches to simply protect their seeding. Not that big of deal in the big picture and hopefully this move does allow Sammy to compete better at the Big 10 Tourney.

Hopefully this move helps him compete better against Nebby...we need the team points. Sammy isn't a freshman and I doubt he gives a shit about seeds at the B1G. He has nothing else to learn tonight and I'm sure his and Tom's goal is to beat Dudley on Sunday.
 
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Trying to figure out which one of you two has been drinking the most tonight............
I can't speak for my good friend championhawk, but my logic and reasoning have not been tainted by the spirits this evening. I prefer honesty and integrity over double standards and if Sammy is injured that's understandable. Peace.
 
Nobody complaining about Gilman going into the Indiana huddle?

Just guessing of course...........

But I think he goes in and asks if anybody wants to give him their sisters phone number. :)
 
I can't speak for my good friend championhawk, but my logic and reasoning have not been tainted by the spirits this evening. I prefer honesty and integrity over double standards and if Sammy is injured that's understandable. Peace.

I can't speak for anyone else on here, but I for one am getting sick and tired of you and others speculating about why Tom made a certain decision. I used to think you were a good poster AF, but it seems to me that all you've done for the past couple months is piss and moan about everything the coaching staff does.

All I know is that I'm just a fan, and I really don't know a damn thing about why Tom makes certain decisions. However, I am very confident that any decision Tom makes is in the best interest of the wrestler and in the best interest of winning NCAA titles.
 
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