Fair point.Just an observation but many of the younger generation want to start out in a brand new home rather than something older they can actually afford and move out and up as years go by.
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Fair point.Just an observation but many of the younger generation want to start out in a brand new home rather than something older they can actually afford and move out and up as years go by.
I understand. But low interest seems to be more of a socialist/communist idea than capitalist idea where there is real value in value.Counterpoint is that a decade+ of low interest rates permitted a good chunk of people to purchase a home and upgrade it relatively interest "free," and now there is the next group of home buyers who are getting whacked. Yes, middle aged/old people like me are "whining" about interest rates, but I'll be fine - I have reaped a nice bounty. It is the younger generation(s) for whom home ownership is out of reach, at least for longer than it was for me.
Actually it's not. I know many people who would prefer to buy a smaller "starter" home but those are hard to come by unless you want something that's 60 years old. They used to make lots of 1,000 sq. ft. 3BR, 1 BA homes back in the 50s and 60s. They don't anymore.Fair point.
I'm not sure where you live but there are all kinds of starter homes that size here in the DSM metro. They may not be standalone houses, and they may be some form of condominium, or else "old", but they exist. People just don't want to share walls or pay their dues with a less than grand living arrangement.Actually it's not. I know many people who would prefer to buy a smaller "starter" home but those are hard to come by unless you want something that's 60 years old. They used to make lots of 1,000 sq. ft. 3BR, 1 BA homes back in the 50s and 60s. They don't anymore.
I'm not sure where you live but there are all kinds of starter homes that size here in the DSM metro. They may not be standalone houses, and they may be some form of condominium, or else "old", but they exist. People just don't want to share walls or pay their dues with a less than grand living arrangement.
This shows that in the metro, there are 542 agent listings, and another 20 private listings, between $100K and $200K:A lot of those post-war homes are in disrepair and can't be bought with a conventional mortgage. Good deal for investors, not something a first time home buyer can usually swing unless they qualify for some kind of rehab loan.
Yup this is a lot more inventory than when I was last using zillow daily. There's your high interest rates.This shows that in the metro, there are 542 agent listings, and another 20 private listings, between $100K and $200K:
Real Estate & Homes For Sale - 580 Homes For Sale | Zillow
Zillow has 580 homes for sale. View listing photos, review sales history, and use our detailed real estate filters to find the perfect place.www.zillow.com
I will add that many of them are a hell of a lot nicer than any place I lived before turning 30.
2 homes of 1750 Sq Feet or more.This shows that in the metro, there are 542 agent listings, and another 20 private listings, between $100K and $200K:
Real Estate & Homes For Sale - 580 Homes For Sale | Zillow
Zillow has 580 homes for sale. View listing photos, review sales history, and use our detailed real estate filters to find the perfect place.www.zillow.com
I will add that many of them are a hell of a lot nicer than any place I lived before turning 30.
I will add that many of them are a hell of a lot nicer than any place I lived before turning 30.
I removed the lots and manufactured homes, and there were still over 146 listings2 homes of 1750 Sq Feet or more.
8 over 1500 Sq Ft or more in the metro area.
4 built after 1973.
83 total homes in the metro area in that price range.
Over 300 of the listings are lots.
That's because you go all the way to Winterset. The metro area has 128. 47 of those are homes under 1000 Sq feet.I removed the lots and manufactured homes, and there were still over 146 listings
Real Estate & Homes For Sale - 134 Homes For Sale | Zillow
Zillow has 134 homes for sale. View listing photos, review sales history, and use our detailed real estate filters to find the perfect place.www.zillow.com
If US Bank and Rocket Mortgage are the only places you looked it's no wonder your rates suck. Check your local lenders, my guess is they're way more competitive.My oh my how they have changed. I knew that they had gone up, but I didn't really have a reason to look before. Essentially, we have a HELOC that I am looking to convert to a straight HEL. Even with impeccable credit, and a small loan relative to the equity in the house, Rocket Mortgage was pitching me 10.3% on a 15 year, which was weird, because US Bank pitched me 7.69% Not sure why there is such a huge disparity, other than we already have the HELOC with US Bank and maybe there is some kind of savings built in there. Either way, the rates I was being quoted were rather shocking. csb.
Currently on the market. If we go to recently sold, there are over 10,000.That's because you go all the way to Winterset. The metro area has 128. 47 of those are homes under 1000 Sq feet.
That's not many homes for sale in a metro area of 500,000. There is a vast shortage of affordable homes.
Good suggestion.If US Bank and Rocket Mortgage are the only places you looked it's no wonder your rates suck. Check your local lenders, my guess is they're way more competitive.
And most of those are older homes (which I personally love). What I am saying is that 40 years ago, young people had lots of "entry level" homes that were only a decade or so old. That isn't as common now.Currently on the market. If we go to recently sold, there are over 10,000.
Recently Sold Homes - 10187 Transactions | Zillow
Browse data on the 10187 recent real estate transactions. Great for discovering comps, sales history, photos, and more.www.zillow.com
Sigh. That's only if you consider anytime "recently". There's just over 3000 that have been sold in the last 12 months which demonstrates that availability is very scarce compared to what the demand has been. 3000 sales and 150 available, yikes.Currently on the market. If we go to recently sold, there are over 10,000.
Recently Sold Homes - 10187 Transactions | Zillow
Browse data on the 10187 recent real estate transactions. Great for discovering comps, sales history, photos, and more.www.zillow.com
2/3rds of the sales in the last year were for units more than 50 years old. I bought my first house, brand new with all the appliances included for the equivalent of $167K in today's dollars. These homes were available in the past but there's little incentive for builders to develop these types of homes.And most of those are older homes (which I personally love). What I am saying is that 40 years ago, young people had lots of "entry level" homes that were only a decade or so old. That isn't as common now.
Putting the old house up for sale. When sold we'll apply that towards the loan and hopefully in the next year or 2 refinance as we got a no fee refinance with the bank. Plus if we don't refinance should be paid off in 7 years. The bank was able to do this type of loan in-house.Why would you choose a balloon note?
Are you in the Iowa City area? Couldn't quite do 5.8% but I think our special is 6.9% (tehe!) right now. DM me if you want more deets.Not from two places I got quotes. At least not for a second position mortgage, even if there is ample equity. If you are a mortgage broker and can hook me up with 5.8%, shoot me a DM.
Do you belong to a credit union? That's where I saw the lowest rates.Good suggestion.
I do not. Maybe I should look into it...Do you belong to a credit union? That's where I saw the lowest rates.
DSM area.Are you in the Iowa City area? Couldn't quite do 5.8% but I think our special is 6.9% (tehe!) right now. DM me if you want more deets.
My bank has branches in that area if you're curiousDSM area.
Updated!This was inevitable going all the way back to the 2008 recovery. It was just a matter of "when." Flooding bank accounts with cash over the few years, mixed with capitalism's constant bombardment to spend spend spend, created the "when."
No, there are hardly any homes built in the past 20 to 30 years that are 1,000 sq. ft or less. That's my point. Perspective home buyers in 1970 had lots of newer starter homes of that size. Home buyers today do not.I'm not sure where you live but there are all kinds of starter homes that size here in the DSM metro. They may not be standalone houses, and they may be some form of condominium, or else "old", but they exist. People just don't want to share walls or pay their dues with a less than grand living arrangement.
And I guess I don’t see why houses built before 1980 are so horrible, at least for a starter home.No, there are hardly any homes built in the past 20 to 30 years that are 1,000 sq. ft or less. That's my point. Perspective home buyers in 1970 had lots of newer starter homes of that size. Home buyers today do not.
Case in point - Des Moines homes built after 2000 with 1,000 sq. ft or less - there are 5 options.
Case in point - Des Moines homes built before 1980 with 1,000 sq. ft or less - there are 61 options!
Probably depends on the neighborhood and schools?And I guess I don’t see why houses built before 1980 are so horrible, at least for a starter home.
Very few homes have been built in the past 50 years that are 1,000 sf or less.No, there are hardly any homes built in the past 20 to 30 years that are 1,000 sq. ft or less. That's my point. Perspective home buyers in 1970 had lots of newer starter homes of that size. Home buyers today do not.
Case in point - Des Moines homes built after 2000 with 1,000 sq. ft or less - there are 5 options.
Case in point - Des Moines homes built before 1980 with 1,000 sq. ft or less - there are 61 options!
Another way to put this, people who were just barely qualified for a $500k house in 2021, are now only qualified for $375,000.
This is not accurate. Real estate has been an outstanding investment for many, many decades. Before I bought my first house I was concerned about the price tag and my Dad said to buy as much house as you can as the investment will pay over time. Likewise, being young the income stream should continue to rise if you have a good job.Anyone that barely qualifies for a $500k house has absolutely no ****ing business buying a $500k house.
Majority of Americans have no clue how to live within their means.
It’s pathetic.
I think some here have a 1990s view of a $500k house.This is not accurate. Real estate has been an outstanding investment for many, many decades. Before I bought my first house I was concerned about the price tag and my Dad said to buy as much house as you can as the investment will pay over time. Likewise, being young the income stream should continue to rise if you have a good job.
Depreciating assets are a different matter as well as "things" which are far more responsible for financial difficulties.
At first glance, those monthly payments look incorrect (way too high). Are you adding estimated taxes and insurance?Principal and interest payment on a $500k mortgage with 20% down (30-year):
@ 3.11% it'd be $2,138 (i.e. Dec. 2021)
@ 7.37% it'd be $3,452 (i.e. Oct. 2022)
@ 5.99% it'd be $2,995 (i.e. today)
Another way to put this, people who were just barely qualified for a $500k house in 2021, are now only qualified for $375,000.
This is not accurate. Real estate has been an outstanding investment for many, many decades. Before I bought my first house I was concerned about the price tag and my Dad said to buy as much house as you can as the investment will pay over time. Likewise, being young the income stream should continue to rise if you have a good job.
Depreciating assets are a different matter as well as "things" which are far more responsible for financial difficulties.
Millions and millions of homeowners disagree with you.You continue to prove you have little knowledge about anything every time you post.
A HOME is not an investment.
Millions and millions of homeowners disagree with you.
Probably because you're stupid.
The bolded is irrelevant to being a good investment. So, you think a home is a good investment but not "an outstanding investment"? Splitting hairs if you ask me.You buy a HOME to live in moron.
How about the millions of homeowners that aren't homeowners anymore because they took out loans they couldn't afford. Outstanding investment! Let me guess, knowing you, that was the banks fault.
Is real estate a good investment? Absolutely. I have real estate myself.
A home is not "an outstanding investment".
Does your house give you an income stream? Oh yes, the amazing reverse mortgage investment!!!
Sure it can appreciate in value, but unless you plan on going homeless, you still need it.
LOL - wow, there's a lot you need to learn. I suggest a class or at least some research.You buy a HOME to live in moron.
How about the millions of homeowners that aren't homeowners anymore because they took out loans they couldn't afford. Outstanding investment! Let me guess, knowing you, that was the banks fault.
Is real estate a good investment? Absolutely. I have real estate myself.
A home is not "an outstanding investment".
Does your house give you an income stream? Oh yes, the amazing reverse mortgage investment!!!
Sure it can appreciate in value, but unless you plan on going homeless, you still need it.