Interesting video Jon Stewart and Jen Psaki-bomb
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Haven’t listen to the weekly show yet this week but What is so interesting about it?
Breaking down a lot of things. Mostly the failures of the Democratic party. See, I'm not some crazy socialist.
Does rip into Trump a little.
I just enjoyed listening two smart people talking.
I listen to Jon all the time and enjoy his weekly show. While I might not agree with all his positions, He is very common sense about what is going on.
Two smart people and one person very easy to look at.
Its very much an adult conversation.
Just listened to it and a couple #instantreactions
Jon Stewart would be labeled as a MAGA and a fascist on here for what he said about Trump on being good at identifying the problems but sucks at the remedies. I agree with this sentiment by Stewart. Like in my NSAID thread, I brought up a couple of things that I think are absurd which were identified that Rogan POD and through DOGE. The Trump administration is doing a good job at highlighting a lot of waste and through that the podcasts such as Rogan are piggybacking off that and explaining the process of how crooked the USAID is with our taxpayer funds. I then get labeled a MAGA that loves Trump haha.
The outright disregard of this stuff from the left is crazy to me. It’s a clear issue that needs reformed but like Stewart was saying, the remedy will probably be ****ed because Trump is not the best at that.
The other thing I found interesting was when they were talking about the messaging. I’ve bright this up numerous times on here with how the left falls back on their shitty messaging. The extreme labels that gets thrown out is a massive turn off to a lot of people in the middle. An example on Hort that we see many times is when someone agrees with a Republican position they get labeled a MAGA then all of a sudden they are a NAZI or fascist. Or even towards the end of the pod when they were talking about how the left is using the term “constitutional crisis” and how the Obama administration was doing the exact same thing with the courts. To me just stop going to the furthest term possible to explain the actual situation.
The whole talk about modernizing the government was 100% spot on. They are truly stuck in the analogue era. Even with how they talked about how the Dems are still stuck in that era with how they try to leverage the media. Everyone is consuming media differently compared to 20 years ago. The legacy media is a perfect example of this. To me it seems like a lot of Americans can’t relate to the way they present the information. The long forum pods are the way to go and maybe she can capitalize on that because she is very easy to listen too.
Overall it was a really good introspective pod on the issues that are hurting the left. I think that there are numerous issues we can agree on that Trump identifies and work together compared to just shunning and name calling. Hell, Hawley and Bernie are doing it right now in interest rate for CCs.
Jon Stewart would be labeled as a MAGA and a fascist on here for what he said about Trump on being good at identifying the problems but sucks at the remedies. I agree with this sentiment by Stewart. Like in my NSAID thread, I brought up a couple of things that I think are absurd which were identified that Rogan POD and through DOGE. The Trump administration is doing a good job at highlighting a lot of waste and through that the podcasts such as Rogan are piggybacking off that and explaining the process of how crooked the USAID is with our taxpayer funds. I then get labeled a MAGA that loves Trump haha.
The outright disregard of this stuff from the left is crazy to me. It’s a clear issue that needs reformed but like Stewart was saying, the remedy will probably be ****ed because Trump is not the best at that.
The other thing I found interesting was when they were talking about the messaging. I’ve bright this up numerous times on here with how the left falls back on their shitty messaging. The extreme labels that gets thrown out is a massive turn off to a lot of people in the middle. An example on Hort that we see many times is when someone agrees with a Republican position they get labeled a MAGA then all of a sudden they are a NAZI or fascist. Or even towards the end of the pod when they were talking about how the left is using the term “constitutional crisis” and how the Obama administration was doing the exact same thing with the courts. To me just stop going to the furthest term possible to explain the actual situation.
The whole talk about modernizing the government was 100% spot on. They are truly stuck in the analogue era. Even with how they talked about how the Dems are still stuck in that era with how they try to leverage the media. Everyone is consuming media differently compared to 20 years ago. The legacy media is a perfect example of this. To me it seems like a lot of Americans can’t relate to the way they present the information. The long forum pods are the way to go and maybe she can capitalize on that because she is very easy to listen too.
Overall it was a really good introspective pod on the issues that are hurting the left. I think that there are numerous issues we can agree on that Trump identifies and work together compared to just shunning and name calling. Hell, Hawley and Bernie are doing it right now in interest rate for CCs.
I deeply admire both of the folks in the interview. And quite frankly it should be heartening for GOPers to hear. Not to thump their chests. But DEMs have some serious work to do. The GOP will be the same situation soon. So.....govern from the center for the love of country
Not trying to take anything out of context but just wanted to comment on these two points, which are related, imo.
So much of the media we (universal “we” as in society as a whole) consume is on our phones. And with the proliferation of outlets trying to draw eyeballs and clicks, we see more and more hyperbole in the headlines and even how we talk. “Crushes, Destroys, Obliterates, Vicious, Treasonous, etc.”
This is really just a sign of the times and folks are doing what they think needs to be done to draw attention to their message. Probably not much different than the old network news adage “if it bleeds, it leads.”
Yeah it seems like McCarthyism on steroids in a way. Imagine if people consumed media the way we do back then haha.
I’m sure there’s plenty of fault to be found with how we consumed media back then (network tv, public radio and national local newspapers), but at least there was still a notion of “journalistic integrity” - and the arguable benefit of everyone discussing things from the same basic set of “facts”
ETA: @BrunoMars420 I think I read that last part of your post in the opposite way you intended but my point would be the same. I think we were more “clear-eyed” about the world and its realities back then. Because even with greater access, we lack the ability to filter out the bullshit. And it’s often difficult for people to separate fact from fiction.
Just a snippet of a paragraph:
“Others argue they have to be the ones to hold the institutions in place, keeping their resistance within bounds of forcing debates through the night on votes they are going to lose and rallies in front of buildings that Trump has locked them out of, where they say things like “a rally a day keeps the fascists away,” as Maryland Rep. Jamie Raskin did at the CFPB rally, and then head home again with their signs.”
I’m not talking about the subject of the article itself but this snippet is a clear example of the democrats issue and what Psaki and Stewart were talking about. They are holding a rally for the CFPB in Washington DC yelling a rally a day keeps the fascists away. I would say 95% of Americans do not give a shit about this at all. Like what is the messaging here? You are rallying for an organization that barely no one knows talking about fascism in Washington DC. They are in their own echo chamber and making an issue out of this as their big message does not come across to the swing state voters that decide elections. Government is already deeply unpopular but when everyday Americans see them rallying for this instead of idk, lower grocery prices or healthcare is not helping the cause.
Policy wise I tend left. Political wise Dems step on their own dick time after time.
Good point, in two ways.
1) CFPB is one of the great examples of government helping consumers, but the messaging completely fails to connect.
2) since its inception in 2008, CFPB has returned close to $20B to consumers, mostly related to unfair banking and cc fees as well as medical billings. That’s the messaging they need to be getting out there.
Super interesting. Those two should run for office.
One thing I hadn’t pieced together in my mind was how certain elements of the current GOP identify with Putin and Hungary as being anti-woke. It was also interesting to hear just how far behind the democrats are in terms of organization of levers in both the press and government, how democrats have lost the ability to effectively message to blue collar voters, and that stems from not accurately not only diagnosing platform issues, but prescribing an effective treatment. The message is then garbled and incoherent because there is so little uniformity of thought. Seems like things are going to stay this way for the foreseeable future, until as she said, democrats have lost every check and balance so it’s time to start breaking china.
Dems have a winning game. They are just terrible at marketing.
Do they? I’m not saying there isn’t a pathway to a winning game, it just doesn’t exist at the moment. Or, at least, that was their conclusion (or my interpretation of their conversation).
It is all about messaging. If you have the greatest ideas, it doesn't matter if you can't project that out.
MAGA policies are not going to work.
But their conversation put messaging as tertiary. Primary is diagnosing a problem/issue. Secondary is developing a treatment/course of action. The Democratic Party either isn’t diagnosing or prescribing apt treatment, and then it is compounded by fragmented messaging. That was their take - I’m not saying it is necessarily true. But who am I to challenge them on the state of the Democratic Party.
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No. You are not wrong. I'm kind of Bill Maher on sick and tired of listening to Dems talking shit but not following through. Messaging is everything. And Cons have no problem lying about facts.
I don't know. Maybe let them be their own worst enemies.
It hurts to say that.
I think that was a huge part of their issue this go around and it’s been highlighted with Kamala when I think it was the view asked her if she would change anything from Biden’s first term and she said she wouldn’t change anything.
There was a clear microeconomic issue where the inflation was hitting everyday Americans and the DC dems were thinking it was fine and the economy was strong. They never really diagnosed this issue that voters were overwhelmingly telling them and kept the status quo.
not to be conceited, but the problem is that they were messaging to people like us, and not rank and file Americans. Rank and file Americans need it broken down like see spot run, and not have it stated academically why spot needs to run and why it is important for spot’s owner to see that spot has run enough that day. It just comes down to basics: spot issues, analyze how to fix issues, provide simple explanations of the fix, so that anyone can digest it.
Essentially, dumb things down for the mass population? Right? B/c I don't disagree with you, but there is reason MAGAs are trying to mess up education. The more dumb, the more easier to manipulate.
It has to bother you like and other attorneys on this board that we are seeing things that have never happened, Same goes for the Vets.
I think we are on the same page but we are both grasping at what the solution is.
Do I just put my head in sand or keep fighting for our Republic? It is getting tiresome. When facts don't matter anymore, I give up
My teacher friends believe the department of education should be eliminated, and their role should be dealt with at the state level.
My banker friends believe the CFPB should be eliminated, and that consumer protection already exists by the FDIC, OOC, and State Banking organizations throughout the country.
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Always trust your banker!
What could go wrong? Bankers need much more stringent regulation. In fact once a year, I think it would be good monetary policy to have a lottery of bankers, choose one and publicly hang him/her just as a reminded to other bankers that we are watching them closely.Bankers…like Trump, you can’t trust them any further than you can throw’em!
