Interesting

[DanL53]

I know it is way early. But folks might recall my preaching about positionless basketball? A quick rundown of B1G stats so far:

Tied for 11th in the League with 4.5 assists per game:

Christian Williams, also an impressive 4.5 A/T averaging just one turnover per game.
Jordan Bohannon, 3.0 A/T

Tied for 13th in the League with 4.0 assists per game:

Nicholas Baer. No turnovers yet.

Tied for 21st with 3.5 apg:

Ahmad Wagner. 2.33 A/T

Tied for 24th with 3.0 apg:

Peter Jok. 2.0 A/T

How do these compare?

Top assist guy: C. J. Jackson, OSU, 8.5 apg, 3.4 A/T
Some recognizable names:
Derrick Walton Jr., Mich, 3 apg, 1.0 A/T
Melo Trimble, Maryland, 3 apg, 1.0 A/T
2015/16 Mike Gesell, 6.3 apg, 3.29 A/T
2015/16 Yogi Ferrell, 5.5 apg, 2.13 A/T

Here's the link:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/statistics/player/_/id/7/stat/assists

We ARE averaging 15 turnovers per game. That's as a team. Looking at the top seven of Jok, Baer, Cook, Bohannon, Williams, Wagner, Pemsl (The minutes are really close but those are the top seven by mpg) 8.5 turnovers per game. Now keep in mind this is only two games against low talent opponents. But, last year? For the season our top seven committed 8.7 turnovers per game.

There is a trick to that as last year our top seven were on the court far longer per game. But I think the evidence is there (If folks haven't seen it with their own eyes.) that our guys are starting out really, really further along in ball handling than was probably fair to expect.

Team stats:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2294

Let's keep that shooting percentage going as well! Very solid! .490 and .385 from three.

 

[mazda1]

I'd suggest we play a few games against legit competition before comparing these kind of stats.

 

[paladinhawk]

The NCAA has a pretty good stats page as well. IA is currently 4th in the nation in assists/game, and 5th in pnts/game

http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings?sport_code=MBB&division=1

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I like you well enough, Dan, but after the season I'm going to share some stats about why you need a true PG to win at the college level.

 

[ihawk in FWB]

I like you well enough, Dan, but after the season I'm going to share some stats about why you need a true PG to win at the college level.

Dan provided some good information. I agree with the PG your comment too. I'll add that a true center can help a team too.

 

[DanL53]

I like you well enough, Dan, but after the season I'm going to share some stats about why you need a true PG to win at the college level.

Best of luck. You're going to find Combo Guards all over the country.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Best of luck. You're going to find Combo Guards all over the country.

It appears that our horrible defense will tell the tale more than our guard play. Jeesh.

 

[DanL53]

It appears that our horrible defense will tell the tale more than our guard play. Jeesh.

It didn't sound good on the radio. But if I might remind that in 2012/13 White was moved from the wing to the power forward for about five games because he couldn't stop anybody. When he was moved back down, he'd learned a bit and did a reasonable job.

I really thought our athleticism among other things was going to put us over the top in this one. Too many newbie mistakes. Turnovers, defense and free throws all killed us.

Here's a Box Score: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400914994

Good news is our shooting was pretty good, and we outrebounded them by 8.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

It didn't sound good on the radio. But if I might remind that in 2012/13 White was moved from the wing to the power forward for about five games because he couldn't stop anybody. When he was moved back down, he'd learned a bit and did a reasonable job.

I really thought our athleticism among other things was going to put us over the top in this one. Too many newbie mistakes. Turnovers, defense and free throws all killed us.

Here's a Box Score: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400914994

Good news is our shooting was pretty good, and we outrebounded them by 8.

We gave up 50+ pts in the paint and it was mostly off of dribble drive penetration. Some of that can be cleaned up because guys weren't in to help. Jok wasn't in a defensive stance for periods of the second half. I wonder if the 36 mins didn't wear him out.

 

[DanL53]

We gave up 50+ pts in the paint and it was mostly off of dribble drive penetration. Some of that can be cleaned up because guys weren't in to help. Jok wasn't in a defensive stance for periods of the second half. I wonder if the 36 mins didn't wear him out.

Yeah, it's called development. Won't take that long. Many of our guys have gone right from playing high school ball to playing against a team that was in the NCAA's last year, and we gave them a run for their money.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Yeah, it's called development. Won't take that long. Many of our guys have gone right from playing high school ball to playing against a team that was in the NCAA's last year, and we gave them a run for their money.

How long do you think it will take?

 

[DanL53]

How long do you think it will take?

Considering that even an experienced team can look like crap? 17-31 free throws for Seaton Hall? I'd say we look less like crap before the Big Ten

 

[CanadaHawk]

How long do you think it will take?

I expect there will be improvement even the next game. But there'll still be plenty to criticize.

 

[hawk-i bob]

Considering that even an experienced team can look like crap? 17-31 free throws for Seaton Hall? I'd say we look less like crap before the Big Ten

I predict we will look less like crap on sunday.

 

[DanL53]

I expect there will be improvement even the next game. But there'll still be plenty to criticize.

Always seems to be, if one looks hard enough. Man, I got my hopes up when people kept saying this was going to be a fun team but keep expectations low. Now I think they meant, keep expectations low, this is going to be a fun team to complain about.

 

[DanL53]

I predict we will look less like crap on sunday.

No fair. Respect the Vaqueros!

"The vaquero is a horse-mounted livestock herder of a tradition that originated on the Iberian Peninsula. Today the vaquero is still a part of the doma vaquera, the Spanish tradition of working riding. The vaquero traditions developed in Mexico from methodology brought to Mesoamerica from Spain also became the foundation for the North American cowboy."

Are they really going to ride horses on our new floor?

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I don't mean to be too critical. They are a young team. They'll get better.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

Always seems to be, if one looks hard enough. Man, I got my hopes up when people kept saying this was going to be a fun team but keep expectations low. Now I think they meant, keep expectations low, this is going to be a fun team to complain about.

I think some of you have thin skin. Discussing problems and issues is fine. Nobody is always right and nobody is always wrong. Message boards make everything seem so much more harsh then they are probably intended. I don't see anyone calling for Fran's head on a pike. Loosen up.

 

[DanL53]

I think some of you have thin skin. Discussing problems and issues is fine. Nobody is always right and nobody is always wrong. Message boards make everything seem so much more harsh then they are probably intended. I don't see anyone calling for Fran's head on a pike. Loosen up.

You are probably right, I need to loosen up. In the real world I'm just a pussycat. Sweetest guy anyone would ever meet. Then I get on the internet and:



I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in the world with this problem. Except for the guy typing in all caps on the other thread.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

You are probably right, I need to loosen up. In the real world I'm just a pussycat. Sweetest guy anyone would ever meet. Then I get on the internet and:



I'm pretty sure I'm the only person in the world with this problem. Except for the guy typing in all caps on the other thread.

That's not what I meant. I meant that every criticism of a coach or player isn't a personal affront that needs to beaten down like a cancer. I can get plenty worked up. Especially when it gets to the point where I am calling for a coaches head (see KF). But that's not what's happening here.

 

[DanL53]

That's not what I meant. I meant that every criticism of a coach or player isn't a personal affront that needs to beaten down like a cancer. I can get plenty worked up. Especially when it gets to the point where I am calling for a coaches head (see KF). But that's not what's happening here.

I'm confused. What is it you want from me? I just agreed with you, I need to loosen up.

 

[CanadaHawk]

I don't mean to be too critical. They are a young team. They'll get better.

The next 2 games I'm thinking we might see the posts staying in position better and CW being a little more aggressive with the ball.

 

[ScoutRefugee]

I'm confused. What is it you want from me? I just agreed with you, I need to loosen up.

Nothing. I'm good. I have a difficult time figuring out if you are being serious or sarcastic. Its my problem. No worries.