International Rankings

[dmlawdad]

Since we are getting closer to the Olympics I am interested in the international freestyle rankings. I found them very interesting, particularly the p4p rankings. Russia dominates the rankings at all weights, but the USA fares quite well in the p4p rankings. Take a look:

P4P

The top 20 pound-for-pound men's freestyle wrestlers in the world!

www.flowrestling.org

3 of the top 5 from USA: #2 Cox, #4 Dake #5 Taylor. Then #9 Burroughs and #12 Snyder.
On the down side the USA is struggling at the lower weights. The medal hopes are not good at 57 and the USA didn't qualify at 65. Gilman seems to come through when it counts though. He's ranked 11.

 

[fanpujols5]

Since we are getting closer to the Olympics I am interested in the international freestyle rankings. I found them very interesting, particularly the p4p rankings. Russia dominates the rankings at all weights, but the USA fares quite well in the p4p rankings. Take a look:

P4P

The top 20 pound-for-pound men's freestyle wrestlers in the world!

www.flowrestling.org

3 of the top 5 from USA: #2 Cox, #4 Dake #5 Taylor. Then #9 Burroughs and #12 Snyder.
On the down side the USA is struggling at the lower weights. The medal hopes are not good at 57 and the USA didn't qualify at 65. Gilman seems to come through when it counts though. He's ranked 11.

Sounds like Gilman is suffering from an ankle ligament issue right now.

 

[IAChief32]

Sounds like Gilman is suffering from an ankle ligament issue right now.

I was wondering why we haven't heard anything from him in awhile.

 

[Gusaford]

Gable Steveson No. 11 at 125kgs? I'll take the over on that bet.

 

[texas twister]

. Gilman seems to come through when it counts though. He's ranked 11.

Not by my recollection. He was a great Hawk but seemed to under preform for the important events all the time.

 

[Exo]

Since we are getting closer to the Olympics I am interested in the international freestyle rankings. I found them very interesting, particularly the p4p rankings. Russia dominates the rankings at all weights, but the USA fares quite well in the p4p rankings. Take a look:

P4P

The top 20 pound-for-pound men's freestyle wrestlers in the world!

www.flowrestling.org

3 of the top 5 from USA: #2 Cox, #4 Dake #5 Taylor. Then #9 Burroughs and #12 Snyder.
On the down side the USA is struggling at the lower weights. The medal hopes are not good at 57 and the USA didn't qualify at 65. Gilman seems to come through when it counts though. He's ranked 11.

Our medal hopes at 57KG are fine as long as we're on the top side. I'd wager Gilman over Micic if they meet up (could be first round).

 

[js8793]

Our medal hopes at 57KG are fine as long as we're on the top side. I'd wager Gilman over Micic if they meet up (could be first round).

This is a really interesting match up imo. The last time they wrestled all the way back in 2014 at Midlands, Gilman barely scraped by 4-3, and this was true freshman, "pre-Micic" Micic.

I think Micic's length and elbow control stuff could be really problematic for Gilman's forward pressure reliant style.

 

[IAChief32]

Our medal hopes at 57KG are fine as long as we're on the top side. I'd wager Gilman over Micic if they meet up (could be first round).

I think his issue is with the Jap-anese dude

 

[TarpHawk]

Burroughs isn't in the top 20 @ 74k? I phrased it as a question, but it's rhetorical. Let me re-phrase as a real question: Why isn't Burroughs ranked in the top 20 @ 74k?

 

[parchy]

Burroughs isn't in the top 20 @ 74k? I phrased it as a question, but it's rhetorical. Let me re-phrase as a real question: Why isn't Burroughs ranked in the top 20 @ 74k?

I think he is ranked @ 79 my.

 

[parchy]

My that is

 

[parchy]

Kg, damn auto correct.

 

[nearfall2]

March 2021 Men's Freestyle Wrestling International Rankings — THE FIGHT SITE

NOTICE: These rankings were put out later to account for the action of the Matteo Pellicone. It would be Anti-Italian discrimination if I did not include the results from them. Removals due to inactivity: 2018 65 KG world champion #3 (65) Takuto Otoguro (JPN) has been removed from the 65

www.thefight-site.com

For those who don’t subscribe to Aunt Flo. Not the same but should be similarish.

 

[Jrjt0518]

Our medal hopes at 57KG are fine as long as we're on the top side. I'd wager Gilman over Micic if they meet up (could be first round).

Don’t see Gilman coming close to placing. His results don’t reflect top tier

 

[Inthecircle]

Don’t see Gilman coming close to placing. His results don’t reflect top tier

His draw will be the tell, if he’s healthy. Gilman not coming close is a bold prediction without seeing the bracket.

 

[texas twister]

His draw will be the tell, if he’s healthy. Gilman not coming close is a bold prediction without seeing the bracket.

The truth is is that he has been the weak link in the US line-up.

 

[js8793]

The truth is is that he has been the weak link in the US line-up.

This is not true. The weakest link in the US lineup has been whoever is at 65 kg. Our best showing since 2006 is 5th, and that guy only got into the tournament because of positive drug tests.

Gilman has wrestled at 2 world championships. He's wrestled for a medal both times. Can't ask for much more than that.

 

[IAChief32]

The truth is is that he has been the weak link in the US line-up.

Nope. 2nd and 5th in his two years on the team.Not what he wants but not bad either.

 

[IAChief32]

Don’t see Gilman coming close to placing. His results don’t reflect top tier

Hey, I get that Gilman is a PSU guy now but besides a healthy Lee, I have the most confidence in him medaling. Fix has trouble generating his own offense at that level. My top 3 would be:

Lee
Gilman
Suriano

 

[Inspiteofourselves]

Hey, I get that Gilman is a PSU guy now but besides a healthy Lee, I have the most confidence in him medaling. Fix has trouble generating his own offense at that level. My top 3 would be:

Lee
Gilman
Suriano

I agree with this

 

[Grip220]

Lee is the only US 125kg guy that had a chance at a Medal in Japan if all top competitors are there.

 

[js8793]

Lee is the only US 125kg guy that had a chance at a Medal in Japan if all top competitors are there.

Spencer had no shot at a medal at 125kg.

 

[Jrjt0518]

Hey, I get that Gilman is a PSU guy now but besides a healthy Lee, I have the most confidence in him medaling. Fix has trouble generating his own offense at that level. My top 3 would be:

Lee
Gilman
Suriano

I’m just a Gilman hater with his antics towards Iowa

 

[Jrjt0518]

His draw will be the tell, if he’s healthy. Gilman not coming close is a bold prediction without seeing the bracket.

I’m referring to his time at penn st and the losses he took to gross and zanders

 

[Bogiyev]

Spencer had no shot at a medal at 125kg.

Well done.

 

[IAChief32]

Lee is the only US 125kg guy that had a chance at a Medal in Japan if all top competitors are there.

I think GSteve can give them a run for their money but yea...I'd give Spence a shot there too

 

[burk11]

Spencer had no shot at a medal at 125kg.

Absolutely, no way Lee medals at 125 kg. Not in this universe. Anyway!

 

[nearfall2]

From Wikipedia (I know the supreme source for all information) on Robin Reed:

While still attending Oregon State, Robin participated in the 1924 Pacific Northwest Olympic team trials. He entered the 145.5, 158.5, 174.0, and 192.0 pound weight classes, and won them all. He made the Olympic team, and on the boat trip to Europe he had unofficial matches against every other member of the United States team. It was widely known that he had the ability to pin every member of the team, and on this occasion he nearly accomplished that, pinning 12 out the 13 of them, all but the person who would become the gold medalist at heavyweight that year, Harry Steel (He still beat him, however, despite not being able to pin him).

While hitch-hiking from his home in Oregon to New York City in 1924 to join the U. S. Olympic team, Reed stopped at Iowa State University to work out, but was refused permission. He asked the coach if he could work out if he first pinned every member of the wrestling team. The coach agreed. Reed proceeded to pin every Iowa State wrestler and he got his workout.

During practice for the Olympics in Paris, Reed bet he could pin Harry Steel, the U. S. heavyweight champion and eventual gold medal winner in that weight class. He not only pinned Steel, but he did it five times in fifteen minutes.

At the Olympics, he entered the 134.5 pound weight class (the second lowest) and pinned every single one of his opponents, including fellow Oregon State teammate Chester Newton in the finals. The United States team ended up getting gold in 3 other weight categories, including heavyweight, so it is widely believed that if the rules had permitted it, Robin could have won the gold medal in every weight class.

 

[Grip220]

Brain fart

 

[Grip220]

Spencer had no shot at a medal at 125kg.

yes he did!

 

[Grip220]

Absolutely, no way Lee medals at 125 kg. Not in this universe. Anyway!

You underestimate Spencer!!!

 

[texas twister]

Nope. 2nd and 5th in his two years on the team.Not what he wants but not bad either.

Remember this one? I believe he went 2 - 3. Results are for each round. The 2nd place finish was against a very depleted field.

World Cup | United World Wrestling

uww.org

 

[A Fist Full of Hawkeyes]

Remember this one? I believe he went 2 - 3. Results are for each round. The 2nd place finish was against a very depleted field.

World Cup | United World Wrestling

uww.org

He went 2-2 at the world cup.
The same world cup that saw James Green, J'den Cox, and Nick Gwiazdowski all lose in the finals along with Gilman.

The team still won gold and Gilman helped them do it. Give it up, you aren't winning this argument you created.

 

[js8793]

Remember this one? I believe he went 2 - 3. Results are for each round. The 2nd place finish was against a very depleted field.

World Cup | United World Wrestling

uww.org

2-2. Impressive to link the results yourself, explain how to see them, and still get them wrong.

His 2 losses were to defending world champ Takahashi and Ederishvilli who was ranked in the top 3 at the time and who he went on to beat in the quarters at worlds a few months later.

Gilman's taken occasional losses here and there, but you couldn't have picked a worse event to make your point lol.

The fact is that he's never failed to make the semis at the World Championships. For Team USA, that's not a weak link.

 

[texas twister]

He went 2-2 at the world cup.
The same world cup that saw James Green, J'den Cox, and Nick Gwiazdowski all lose in the finals along with Gilman.

The team still won gold and Gilman helped them do it. Give it up, you aren't winning this argument you created.

He went 1 - 2. He was unopposed against India. (that did count as a win but not on the mat)

And to that NCAA championships. No national title.

 

[js8793]

He went 1 - 2. He was unopposed against India. (that did count as a win but not on the mat)

And to that NCAA championships. No national title.

Bringing up results in an entirely different style of wrestling doesn't help your case.

The facts are the facts. Gilman has performed well at the world championships, the best of any US wrestler at his weight since Cejudo.

 

[A Fist Full of Hawkeyes]

He went 1 - 2. He was unopposed against India. (that did count as a win but not on the mat)

And to that NCAA championships. No national title.

A win is a win, who gives a shit how he got it?
I don't like Gilman anymore and I will struggle to cheer for him at the Olympics, and even my biased mind can see this is an idiotic argument you've generated out of nothingness.

Seriously. Stop.

No, no, no. No need to respond further. Just stop.

Dude, I can feel your fingers twitching as your read this. Don't give in, stay strong. You can do it. Feel the humility and let it grow and mature within you. Use this as a learning lesson. Close the laptop, put down the phone, and back away.

... I guarantee you won't, so prove me wrong.

 

[MilleGinja]

Spencer had no shot at a medal at 125kg.

Never count out Lee. Regardless of injury, weather, or weight class apparently

 

[IAChief32]

He went 1 - 2. He was unopposed against India. (that did count as a win but not on the mat)

And to that NCAA championships. No national title.

There are two things that I have historically noticed about Gilman...every once in awhile, he'll have a head in the arse match where its like another dude showed up. Next, he'll wrestle a solid match but make a stupid choice. Most of the time, he's good enough to overcome those decisions. In the two big tourneys that counted, he medaled and made the semis. He lost to some tough dudes so it wasn't like he "choked." In 2018, he lost to Sanayev and Atli...both two time medalists. This wasn't a one in done in the first round. One can also say that he has been the best American since he came out of college. His 2017 run through trials and worlds was one of the best an American little guy has had in a long time.

 

[texas twister]

A win is a win, who gives a shit how he got it?

Oh good. I'm glad a forfeit to make his record 2 - 2 makes you feel good and confident he is top notch. I don't expect him to place. Want to sig bet for up to completion of NCAA nationals (nothing offensive allowed)?