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Iowa Football Awards announced

TomKakert

Publisher, HawkeyeReport.com
Sep 16, 2001
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IOWA CITY, Iowa -- University of Iowa senior running back LeShun Daniels, Jr., senior quarterback C.J. Beathard, and junior linebacker Josey Jewell were named Roy J. Carver Most Valuable Players for the 2016 Hawkeye football team that held its annual awards banquet Sunday.


Five team captains for the 2016 season were announced; Beathard and Daniels on offense, Jewell and senior defensive back Desmond King on defense, and kicker Ron Coluzzi on special teams.


The Hayden Fry Award was shared by Beathard, Daniels, and senior wide receiver Riley McCarron on offense, and Jewell and King on defense. The award goes to team members who show exemplary leadership and dedication throughout the year.


Jewell ranked second in the Big Ten in tackles and was named second team All-Big Ten for the second straight season. The Decorah, Iowa, native has 114 tackles in 2016 and his career total of 291 ranks 18th-best at Iowa.


King, a native of Detroit, has earned first team All-America honors from several news outlets for the second straight year. King had two interceptions and ranked among Big Ten and national leaders in both kickoff (27.2) and punt returns

(9.8). He has 13 career interceptions to tie for fifth all-time.


Beathard, a native of Franklin, Tennessee, started all 12 games, completing 58.6 percent of his pass attempts for 1,874 yards and 17 touchdowns. He ranks among Iowa’s career leaders in nearly every passing statistic, and has posted a 21-6 record as Iowa’s starting quarterback, best among those with 20 or more career starts.


Daniels enjoyed his best season while leading the Iowa rushing attack with 1,013 yards and 10 rushing touchdowns. The native of Warren, Ohio, ranks 16th in career rushing yards (1,843) and has scored 116 career points.


Coluzzi joined the Iowa program for his final season as a graduate transfer and contributed immediately. He averaged 41.3 yards per punt, with 13 punts of 50 yards or more. He earned third team All-Big Ten honors with 22 punts inside the 20 and just five touchbacks. Iowa opponents had just 10 returns.


McCarron joined the team as a walk-on and improved his production each season. The Dubuque, Iowa, native led the team in receptions and yards (41-506). He had four touchdown receptions and one score on a punt return at Illinois.


The Players Choice Awards, selected by player vote, went to Beathard on offense and Jewell on defense. Jewell and Daniels shared the Iron Hawk Award.


Senior offensive lineman Ryan Ward received the Forest Evashevski Scholastic Achievement Award, presented to a senior who has the highest scholastic record. The native of Homer Glen, Illinois, has twice earned academic All-Big Ten recognition.


Coluzzi and King shared the specialist portion of the Reggie Roby Special Teams Award, while junior outside linebacker Kevin Ward was recognized for his overall special teams play.


The Brett Greenwood Award was shared by McCarron and senior offensive lineman Cole Croston. Croston (Sergeant Bluff, Iowa) earned third team All-Big Ten honors, despite missing most of the second half of the season due to injury. McCarron, who contributed on both offense and special teams, was honorable mention All-Big Ten. The Greenwood Award is presented to a walk-on who embodies the values and behaviors of former Hawkeye walk-on Brett Greenwood, a defensive back from Bettendorf, Iowa, who completed his playing career in 2010.


Established in 2011, the Greenwood Award also honors former Hawkeyes who fit the description, one year at a time, for each season Kirk Ferentz has coached the Hawkeyes. Three seniors from the 2004 Iowa team were recognized, including defensive back Sean Considine, defensive lineman Tyler Luebke, and offensive lineman Pete McMahon.


Daniels and junior offensive lineman Ike Boettger (Cedar Falls, Iowa) shared Comeback Player of the Year honors. Daniels had the best season of his career, leading Iowa’s rushing attack after battling different injuries in previous seasons. Boettger started games at three positions, including both left and right tackle, and left guard. The Cedar Falls, Iowa, native started 11 games and missed one contest because of injury.


Three Hawkeyes earned the Next Man In Award; sophomore offensive lineman Keegan Render (Indianola, Iowa), and junior tight end Peter Pekar (Greendale, Wisconsin) on offense, and freshman defensive back Manny Rugamba (Naperville, Illinois) on defense.


Render moved to the starting offensive line unit due to injuries. He started one contest at right guard before starting the final six games of the regular season at left guard. Pekar saw the most extensive action of his career, starting four games as a second tight end while contributing to Iowa’s success in the running attack.


Rugamba moved into the starting lineup for the final three games of his rookie season. He tied for the team lead with two interceptions, with an interception and three pass break-ups in a key win over Michigan.


Coaches Appreciation Award recipients included Ryan Ward, and senior lineman Steve Ferentz (Iowa City, Iowa) on offense, senior defensive back Greg Mabin (Fort Lauderdale, Florida) on defense, and junior fullback Drake Kulick (Muscatine, Iowa) and freshman kicker Keith Duncan (Weddington, N.C.) for special teams.


The Finish Strong Award, which was introduced in 2015, was presented to senior defensive back Anthony Gair (Plano, Texas) and senior defensive lineman Faith Ekakitie (Brampton, Ontario). Gair played extensively over the final three games, all Iowa victories, while starting the final two contests. Ekakitie had his best season on the defensive line and started three of the final four games.


Team Hustle Awards went to senior tight end George Kittle, junior running back Akrum Wadley and junior lineman Sean Welsh on offense, Johnson, junior safety Miles Taylor and sophomore end Parker Hesse on defense, and defensive back Jake Gervase and long snapper Tyler Kluver on special teams.


Kittle (Norman, Oklahoma) missed two full games and part of others due to injury, but still had 10 receptions for 296 yards and four touchdowns, including two scores in his final home game in the win over Nebraska. Wadley (Newark, NJ) has rushed for 966 yards and has 32 receptions for 294 yards. He has scored 13 touchdowns, including 10 rushing and three receiving. Welsh (Springboro, Ohio) started all 11 games in which he saw action and earned second team All-America honors from USA Today.


Taylor, a native of Silver Spring, Maryland, started the first 10 games of the season before being injured and missing the final two games. Taylor recorded 45 tackles. Hesse, a native of Waukon, Iowa, started 11 games and missed one contest because of injury. Hesse totaled 33 tackles, including 7.5 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks.


Team Leader Awards were presented to redshirt freshman quarterback Drew Cook (Iowa City, Iowa), and freshman running back Toren Young (Madison, Wisconsin) on offense; sophomore linebacker Jacob Sobotka (Clearfield, Iowa), junior lineman Daniel Gaffey (Iowa City, Iowa) and freshman linebacker Nick Niemann (Sycamore, Illinois) on defense; and junior wide receiver Brandon Bishop (Sugar Grove, Illinois) and freshman linebacker Kyle Taylor (Silver Spring, Maryland) on special teams.


The Player Appreciation Award was presented to Deb and Ted Pacha of Iowa City. The Pacha’s have been generous contributors to the UI athletics department for over 40 years and are long time Kinnick Society members. Ted has served as president of the National I-Club and Johnson County I-Club. He is a UI Varsity Club honorary letterwinner and is a national I-Club Hawk of the Year honoree. Ted founded Hawkeye Medical Supply in Iowa City, serving as president and owner for 25 years, and is currently president of Theo Resources, a consulting firm.


The Bump Elliott Appreciation Award was presented to Bob Rahfeldt and Chris Ruth. Rahfeld and Ruth are director, and assistant director, respectively, of the Iowa football video department.

The Distinguished Service Award was presented to Gerry Rundell. Rundell has assisted with Iowa football sideline communications for the Hawkeye coaching staff since the late 1990’s, working from both the sidelines and coaches booth in the press box and at all home and away games.
 
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Here are the Award winners:

Forest Evashevski Scholastic Achievement: Ryan Ward

Iron Hawk Award: LeShun Daniels, Jr.

Josey Jewell

Reggie Roby Special Teams Award: Ron Coluzzi, specialist

Desmond King, specialist

Kevin Ward, overall

Team Leader Award: Drew Cook, offense

Toren Young, offense

Jacob Sobotka, defense

Daniel Gaffey, defense

Nick Niemann, defense

Brandon Bishop, special teams

Kyle Taylor, special teams

Players Choice Award: C.J. Beathard, offense

Josey Jewell, defense

Brett Greenwood Award: Cole Croston

Riley McCarron

Former Players: Sean Considine

Tyler Luebke

Pete McMahon

Comeback Player of the Year: Ike Boettger

LeShun Daniels, Jr.

Coaches Appreciation Award: Steve Ferentz, offense

Ryan Ward, offense

Greg Mabin, defense

Drake Kulick, special teams

Keith Duncan, special teams

Finish Strong Award: Faith Ekakitie

Anthony Gair

Team Hustle Award: George Kittle, offense

Akrum Wadley, offense

Sean Welsh, offense

Parker Hesse, defense

Jaleel Johnson, defense

Miles Taylor, defense

Jake Gervase, special teams

Tyler Kluver, special teams

Next Man In Award: Keegan Render, offense

Peter Pekar, offense

Manny Rugamba, defense

Hayden Fry Award: C.J. Beathard, offense

LeShun Daniels, Jr., offense

Riley McCarron, offense

Josey Jewell, defense

Desmond King, defense

Most Valuable Player: C.J. Beathard, offense

LeShun Daniels, Jr., offense

Josey Jewell, defense

Permanent Team Captains: C.J. Beathard, offense

LeShun Daniels, Jr., offense

Josey Jewell, defense

Desmond King, defense

Ron Coluzzi, special teams
 
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I feel like King isn't as appreciated by the team sometimes as by the fans and media. I.e. not getting one of the mvp awards yet we talk about whether his name should be put by the others in kinnick.
 
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I remember one of our early season games announcers were talking about when they were talking to Phil parker and they asked PP who is favorite player to coach on the defense was and they said he responded without hesitation with Josie jewell. Which at first I was like of course, but then I was like we'll wait a minute what about King? Just have noticed lots of those type of things. Losing captain status etc.
 
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I feel like King isn't as appreciated by the team sometimes as by the fans and media. I.e. not getting one of the mvp awards yet we talk about whether his name should be put by the others in kinnick.

He only completely shut down half the field in the passing game many times.......other than that, he didn't do much. :) I can definitively say that I appreciate him........
 
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He only completely shut down half the field in the passing game many times.......other than that, he didn't do much. :) I can definitively say that I appreciate him........

As do I but I sure wonder what happens behind the scenes with him.
 
Well it's probably worth mentioning he started as a freshman and you might even comparing to say Matt Vandenberg who also played as a freshman proving first that KF plays lots and lots of young guys when it warrants and number two they had to have liked him quite a bit, didn't they?

I'm always confused by the amount of times we read extra things into scenarios. Quite frankly Vandenberg didn't get any love either and we were a much different offense when he was playing. I don't know why it has to be anything more than it is.

I guess people always like controversy is all I can figure?
 
It is interesting how conspiracy theories find even a football team's award ceremony as fertile ground for growth.
Yes. First the coaches don't play the best players. Now they play them, even letting them start for 4 years and letting them be captains, but still choose to annoy them at the awards ceremony, strange.
Sarcasm
 
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I remember one of our early season games announcers were talking about when they were talking to Phil parker and they asked PP who is favorite player to coach on the defense was and they said he responded without hesitation with Josie jewell. Which at first I was like of course, but then I was like we'll wait a minute what about King? Just have noticed lots of those type of things. Losing captain status etc.
Just look at the award that voted upon by the players ... the winners were Beathard on O and Jewell on D.

Rather than an indictment of King ... I'd interpret the awards as simply being more of feather in the cap of Jewell. I'm sure that Parker enjoys coaching both guys. However, there's apparently something about Jewell, in addition to his football ability, that players and coaches alike gravitate towards.
 
A name I see missing a lot is Jaleel Johnson. Dude was a beast, but no one at all? Faith getting the live but didn't seem to be the player or leader Jaleel was?
 
A name I see missing a lot is Jaleel Johnson. Dude was a beast, but no one at all? Faith getting the live but didn't seem to be the player or leader Jaleel was?
When Jaleel gave full effort ... he was essentially unblockable. With that consideration, ask how opposing teams managed to gash us as they had on the ground through the first 3/4 of the season.

Jaleel has been a great Hawk, he's clearly a very talented player, and he has the sort of measurables that NFL teams covet .... however, without a doubt, I believe that he was capable of being an even more productive player for us.

Contrast Jaleel's numbers to Mike Daniels numbers in '11 ... and remember that Daniels was small compared Jaleel. Contrast the numbers to what Jonathan Babineaux did in '04. Babs and Daniels rightfully earned team awards. I don't think there was any egregious omission here.
 
It is interesting how conspiracy theories find even a football team's award ceremony as fertile ground for growth.

The guy is a 2 time 1st team all American. The only 1st team all American on the team, but was unable to find the MVP award. Losing it to a guy who was 2nd team all big ten and not an all American. Sure Josie is outstanding and I love that he plays for us. Not taking anything away from Jewell. Just interesting. Making observations and posting them to forums to see if others find it interesting.
 
The guy is a 2 time 1st team all American. The only 1st team all American on the team, but was unable to find the MVP award. Losing it to a guy who was 2nd team all big ten and not an all American. Sure Josie is outstanding and I love that he plays for us. Not taking anything away from Jewell. Just interesting. Making observations and posting them to forums to see if others find it interesting.
Do you remember one of PSU's early touchdowns on Iowa? It was the result of a breakdown of the D ... not playing TEAM D. Each guy has to do his job ... and his job only.

Also, in making a highlight for the BTN during practice ... Dez made a hit on a RB during a non-contact drill. It looked cool ... but Mitchell wasn't happy about it. Again, not really a team-oriented thing to do.

Overall, I'm sure that King is well-loved by both the coaches and most of his teammates. However, being a top performer doesn't necessarily equate to being a top leader of the TEAM.
 
He was a leader though. He was a captain. The award isn't a top leader award. It's most valuable PLAYER award. Again I'm not kicking and screaming that he shouldn't have gotten it, I just wanted to point out that it's goofy he didn't. Yes, I remember the Penn State play, I was about to post that in another thread on why he didn't receive 1st team all American this year. Then I figured there'd be kickback about that's one play and let it go.
 
He was a leader though. He was a captain. The award isn't a top leader award. It's most valuable PLAYER award. Again I'm not kicking and screaming that he shouldn't have gotten it, I just wanted to point out that it's goofy he didn't. Yes, I remember the Penn State play, I was about to post that in another thread on why he didn't receive 1st team all American this year. Then I figured there'd be kickback about that's one play and let it go.
But what features of a player do you think add VALUE to the team? Obviously, play on the field is a huge part of it. However, another part of it is how a player LEADS. Also, how the player executes in the context of the TEAM matters too.

The fact that Jewell also calls plays for the D also likely helps his case in the eyes of the players and coaches too. If King were a free safety instead of a corner ... his role on the D would have been perceived as being greater too.
 
I can buy that argument. There's not many if any positions more valuable to our defense than our middle linebacker. I mean what hawkeye fan doesn't love Josie Jewell. Not like it's awful he'd get it instead.
 
I can buy that argument. There's not many if any positions more valuable to our defense than our middle linebacker. I mean what hawkeye fan doesn't love Josie Jewell. Not like it's awful he'd get it instead.
Also, it's pretty wicked to watch Jewell's play early in '15 compared to how it is now. Early on, as he was gaining experience, he'd occasionally miss picking up a RB in coverage OR miss diverting a TE from their original routes. The results usually leading the opposition to make some pretty easy completions. To his credit ... you'd rarely see him make the same mistake twice.

Similarly, it's pretty fun to watch him play now ... both against the run and the pass. Iowa's D places A LOT of responsibility on the plates of the linebackers. When it is his responsibility, you almost never see a TE get off cleanly. That disruption throws off the timing between the QB and the TE. Similarly, it was pretty cool watching him cover Jake Butt this past season. There was a reception that Butt made on Jewell ... but it essentially required a high-precision pass by Speight and a near-miracle catch by Butt. If you force an O to have to execute at THAT high of a level to move the ball ... then your D is winning more battles than they're losing.
 
Also, it's pretty wicked to watch Jewell's play early in '15 compared to how it is now. Early on, as he was gaining experience, he'd occasionally miss picking up a RB in coverage OR miss diverting a TE from their original routes. The results usually leading the opposition to make some pretty easy completions. To his credit ... you'd rarely see him make the same mistake twice.

Similarly, it's pretty fun to watch him play now ... both against the run and the pass. Iowa's D places A LOT of responsibility on the plates of the linebackers. When it is his responsibility, you almost never see a TE get off cleanly. That disruption throws off the timing between the QB and the TE. Similarly, it was pretty cool watching him cover Jake Butt this past season. There was a reception that Butt made on Jewell ... but it essentially required a high-precision pass by Speight and a near-miracle catch by Butt. If you force an O to have to execute at THAT high of a level to move the ball ... then your D is winning more battles than they're losing.
Its funny you said this because I was watching 2nd Half of the Mich/tOSU game and the MLB for tOSU 1st team all conference to boot was taking out almost every 3rd down because in Herbie words was a mismatch on Butts and RB's.
 
He was a leader though. He was a captain. The award isn't a top leader award. It's most valuable PLAYER award. Again I'm not kicking and screaming that he shouldn't have gotten it, I just wanted to point out that it's goofy he didn't. Yes, I remember the Penn State play, I was about to post that in another thread on why he didn't receive 1st team all American this year. Then I figured there'd be kickback about that's one play and let it go.
With out question there was something a little different about King's play this year compared to last. He was chippy, and over the top in numerous games, receiving several personal foul calls, taking shots at players after the whistle etc. I don't know if he was upset about his numbers being way off from last year because teams didn't challenge him as much? Perhaps we wanted to go out on a high point last year, and it was his mom pushing for his return for his degree? He also missed several fairly easy picks this year, which he made easily last season. Was he pressing? I'm not saying, he wasn't a great player this season, just different. We'll never know what exactly caused that difference, but it seemed noticeable.
 
With out question there was something a little different about King's play this year compared to last. He was chippy, and over the top in numerous games, receiving several personal foul calls, taking shots at players after the whistle etc. I don't know if he was upset about his numbers being way off from last year because teams didn't challenge him as much? Perhaps we wanted to go out on a high point last year, and it was his mom pushing for his return for his degree? He also missed several fairly easy picks this year, which he made easily last season. Was he pressing? I'm not saying, he wasn't a great player this season, just different. We'll never know what exactly caused that difference, but it seemed noticeable.
I'm sure that it is very frustrating when you're a player of King's caliber ... and then they stay away from you. After all, you play the game because you want to make plays! All the same, even when plays did go his way ... when he was playing his responsibility ... he did a really good job.
 
Its funny you said this because I was watching 2nd Half of the Mich/tOSU game and the MLB for tOSU 1st team all conference to boot was taking out almost every 3rd down because in Herbie words was a mismatch on Butts and RB's.
McMillan is more of your bigger, downhill MLB. Really effective on early downs ... but not as versatile of a defender. Definitely a feather in Jewell's cap ... an every down LB that you never want to sub-out.
 
I'm sure that it is very frustrating when you're a player of King's caliber ... and then they stay away from you. After all, you play the game because you want to make plays! All the same, even when plays did go his way ... when he was playing his responsibility ... he did a really good job.
I agree he played well, but he seemed to be frustrated. I'm sure the bad start we got off to as a team, had to have him wondering,"you mean I came back for this". There have been reports that NFL scouts noticed his lack of control this year as well. Hopefully it doesn't have too big an impact on his draft position. Would love to see him have a long and successful career in the league.
 
Jewell got a bunch of stupid personal fouls this year too. That probably wasn't the deciding factor. Like others have said, King was clearly the MVP on the field but it's just so hard to outright show that value when so few balls get thrown his way and he's not going to be leading/calling plays from the cornerback position. He was a victim of his own success.
 
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Jewell got a bunch of stupid personal fouls this year too. That probably wasn't the deciding factor. Like others have said, King was clearly the MVP on the field but it's just so hard to outright show that value when so few balls get thrown his way and he's not going to be leading/calling plays from the cornerback position. He was a victim of his own success.
I would disagree. Jewell had a bogus targeting call, in the first game that only happened because the player tripped, and his falling lowered him into the collision. The other call on Jewell was for a late hit out of bounds, which was the correct call, but it was close to the boundry. Most of King's call were throwing blows at players heads, very late hits in the middle of the field, and play well after the whistle. It seemed obvious, that he was distracted by something this year. Not only did he miss several easy picks this year, but how many punts did he mishandle? I think he dropped two punts in the Nebraska game alone.
I would have no problem with either player being chosen defensive mvp, but can't see how King was clearly the guy. The defense struggled badly in the game Jewell was ejected.
 
Jewell got a bunch of stupid personal fouls this year too. That probably wasn't the deciding factor. Like others have said, King was clearly the MVP on the field but it's just so hard to outright show that value when so few balls get thrown his way and he's not going to be leading/calling plays from the cornerback position. He was a victim of his own success.
The best player and the "most valuable" to Iowa's success is clearly King. Jewell is good, really good in fact, but how King wasn't MVP is quite odd.
 
I agree he played well, but he seemed to be frustrated. I'm sure the bad start we got off to as a team, had to have him wondering,"you mean I came back for this". There have been reports that NFL scouts noticed his lack of control this year as well. Hopefully it doesn't have too big an impact on his draft position. Would love to see him have a long and successful career in the league.
I truly appreciated that King came back for his SR year. He still ended up having a very solid season ... and he was fantastic on special teams. Hopefully he didn't hurt his draft stock ... because it would certainly continue to make Phil look good as our DB coach. Down the line it can only help in recruiting if he gets picked up pretty early.
 
I think most people within the program know that JJ would be an AA at the WLB but since nobody as step up at MLB spot JJ as given the team and fans everything he has to make the team better.
King is an outstanding CB no doubt but the 12-0 TEAM last year was a huge break for him.
Sometimes young Men forget who help them get to where there at today.
 
This just as well be the poster thread for the entire human race.Politics, Sports, men/women relations, etc.... It is a dichotomy on substance vs style, deep-thinking vs surface value. Flash vs steady constant pressure. I apologize in advance I'm not trying to screw with anyone but I could have guessed without getting in who the posters were and what sides they were arguing. I guess what is so irritating is that so many people just can't see past the stats. Which I guess is fine but they are routinely NOT the deciding factor in most things in life. But lets start there....

King was a bit different this year but lets start with the assumption he was perfect. He wasn't but if he were, that still didn't keep us from losing 4 games so I'd be remiss to suggest he was our most valuable per se. Because honestly once our safety play improved as did our DL play (I/e: defense in the middle of the field) so did our on field performance. So in that vein our most "valuable" player in terms of total team performance certainly wasn't our "Corner Back".

Now lets talk about him....I love Dez and he was important to our future in Detroit recruiting on top of all this but he was super chippy this year. It isn't even close to fair to compare him to Jewell and his PF. Multiple games he was in the middle of some BS. 2nd if he doesn't run at least low 4.5s (I think he will) or high 4.4s and Johnson has a great combine he may jump him the Draft so lets not pretend like he is a our "best Pro" for sure. Most of you fellas look at something and do very little thinking about what you are saying and how it compares with history. The Internet is terrible for that. You have to force yourself to think these things through...

Also I know many of you think the Eddie P is a football Savant and listening to games while appraising cars I heard him and Dolph say on more than one occasion that was our All-american Corner Back that got burnt there. Honestly if you guys really opened your eyes and ears you wouldn't be so up in arms with the coaches all the times, but again I know that's not the way people like to be now. They form their opinion and then look for ways to confirm it....

Here is the rub, a Team most valuable player from my memory has rarely been a CB or Wr or Rber nor is it based on "big" plays on the field. Nor does it look that way in real life. The merits of "team" are rarely statistical based and if you've never worked with talented people that pissed and moaned constantly (you know like you guys...just kidding...:p) then I suppose I shouldn't judge your inability to truly KNOW what IS a most valuable team component that truly compels a team forward. Without asking I would have naturally assumed Jewel or CJ or Welsh or maybe Daniels would be that guy. You can tell by their walk and demeanor at all times.

You guys see the flash.....
 
This just as well be the poster thread for the entire human race.Politics, Sports, men/women relations, etc.... It is a dichotomy on substance vs style, deep-thinking vs surface value. Flash vs steady constant pressure. I apologize in advance I'm not trying to screw with anyone but I could have guessed without getting in who the posters were and what sides they were arguing. I guess what is so irritating is that so many people just can't see past the stats. Which I guess is fine but they are routinely NOT the deciding factor in most things in life. But lets start there....

King was a bit different this year but lets start with the assumption he was perfect. He wasn't but if he were, that still didn't keep us from losing 4 games so I'd be remiss to suggest he was our most valuable per se. Because honestly once our safety play improved as did our DL play (I/e: defense in the middle of the field) so did our on field performance. So in that vein our most "valuable" player in terms of total team performance certainly wasn't our "Corner Back".

Now lets talk about him....I love Dez and he was important to our future in Detroit recruiting on top of all this but he was super chippy this year. It isn't even close to fair to compare him to Jewell and his PF. Multiple games he was in the middle of some BS. 2nd if he doesn't run at least low 4.5s (I think he will) or high 4.4s and Johnson has a great combine he may jump him the Draft so lets not pretend like he is a our "best Pro" for sure. Most of you fellas look at something and do very little thinking about what you are saying and how it compares with history. The Internet is terrible for that. You have to force yourself to think these things through...

Also I know many of you think the Eddie P is a football Savant and listening to games while appraising cars I heard him and Dolph say on more than one occasion that was our All-american Corner Back that got burnt there. Honestly if you guys really opened your eyes and ears you wouldn't be so up in arms with the coaches all the times, but again I know that's not the way people like to be now. They form their opinion and then look for ways to confirm it....

Here is the rub, a Team most valuable player from my memory has rarely been a CB or Wr or Rber nor is it based on "big" plays on the field. Nor does it look that way in real life. The merits of "team" are rarely statistical based and if you've never worked with talented people that pissed and moaned constantly (you know like you guys...just kidding...:p) then I suppose I shouldn't judge your inability to truly KNOW what IS a most valuable team component that truly compels a team forward. Without asking I would have naturally assumed Jewel or CJ or Welsh or maybe Daniels would be that guy. You can tell by their walk and demeanor at all times.

You guys see the flash.....

Wow you really went off on a tangent there. I guess us dumb ones who don't think about it looked at the awards given in other areas. You're right I am dumb. I think in simple terms. Like mvp is most valuable player. I've normally seen that award given to the best player. Desmond King got the biggest national awards from this team for being the best player at his position. I figured when the team would award 3 people on the team for MVP that he'd make in there. Then again I'm simple minded and didn't dive into the complexities of the award the way you did. Thank you so much for your intelligent response!
 
Wow you really went off on a tangent there. I guess us dumb ones who don't think about it looked at the awards given in other areas. You're right I am dumb. I think in simple terms. Like mvp is most valuable player. I've normally seen that award given to the best player. Desmond King got the biggest national awards from this team for being the best player at his position. I figured when the team would award 3 people on the team for MVP that he'd make in there. Then again I'm simple minded and didn't dive into the complexities of the award the way you did. Thank you so much for your intelligent response!


Your welcome and incidental ignorance isn't a viable excuse. But I do know people use it all the time.
 
Wow you really went off on a tangent there. I guess us dumb ones who don't think about it looked at the awards given in other areas. You're right I am dumb. I think in simple terms. Like mvp is most valuable player. I've normally seen that award given to the best player. Desmond King got the biggest national awards from this team for being the best player at his position. I figured when the team would award 3 people on the team for MVP that he'd make in there. Then again I'm simple minded and didn't dive into the complexities of the award the way you did. Thank you so much for your intelligent response!

By the way probably worth mentioning Jewel was one of what?! 3 finalists for the Butkus award?! Hmmmmmmm........are you capable enough to evaluate that? And don't get mad at me, your the one who said he was stupid?
 
By the way probably worth mentioning Jewel was one of what?! 3 finalists for the Butkus award?! Hmmmmmmm........are you capable enough to evaluate that? And don't get mad at me, your the one who said he was stupid?

Good point on the Butkus award. Ok so Josie makes sense. Awards for Daniels and CJ? Are you smart enough to realize 3 people got this award?
 
And the reason I am mad at you is you walk in here talking about how you're the smartest guy in the room give several paragraphs of information that has nothing to do with what anyone in this post was talking about then talk about how I don't know what an MVP is. It was a completely stupid post but full of arrogance and yes, that is irritating.
 
By the way probably worth mentioning Jewel was one of what?! 3 finalists for the Butkus award?! Hmmmmmmm........are you capable enough to evaluate that? And don't get mad at me, your the one who said he was stupid?

1st team all B1G/ 2nd team all American/ Thorpe semi finalist (only 3 finalists) vs 2nd team all B1G/ Butkus finalist (5 finalists). King got the better awards. Not much to evaluate in that aspect.
 
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