Iowa-OSU Predictions

[reddogg26]

This dual could go so many different ways! Iowa COULD win as many as 7 or 8 weights Oky. State COULD win 8 or even 9 weights. This is the 1st time in a LONG time I don't have a real good grip on how this dual is going to go. Other than 125, 165 & 197 nothing is for sure. But here goes...
GMAN by major 4-0
Clark gets a UGLY Dec. 7-0 would not be shocked to see him lose either.
Heil wins in a barn burner. 7-3
BS by Dec. 10-3
Kemdawg by dec. 13-3
Rogers by fall 13-9
Crutchmer by dec. 13-12
Brooks by dec. 16-12
Weigel by major 16-16
Stoll by dec. 19-16

Breakdown:
125: NO need to explain here.
133: Don't like this match at ALL. COULD go either way...
141: COULD be a major against Topher here but Heil is not exactly a bonus machine. Also COULD be a upset win for Topher here also. IF he can get to the 3rd period within 1 or 2 pts look out!!
149: BS is still the 2nd best at the weight but Collica could shock us and win here.
157: Kemdawg is getting better each time out. With that being said he could overhype himself and lose here as well.
165: pass
174: Depends a lot on which Meyer shows up. Yeah Meyer CAN win here but I just can't say he will right now.
184: Until Midlands I thought Brooks was doing some different things but was wrong. Still same Brooks but here's the thing I think Brooks is better than Boyd. COULD lose this one as well.
197: Wilcke just to small for a top 3 or 4 at this weight.
Hwt: Stoll COULD pin him or COULD lose here.
This match up could go so many different ways!! This sure is going to be fun!!

 

[championhawk]

125- Gilman by TF
133- Tossup now but give me Clark in March. 5-3
141- Carton with the win. Heil better bring his gas tank. 8-3
149- BS 11-3
157= Kemdawg Another great match up 14-3
165- OSU over St. John/Gunther 14-6
174= Meyer gets his revenge 17-7
184- Brooks makes the guy wish he was 197 20-7
197- OSU 20-10
Hwt= Stoll by pinfall 26-10

I don't see it going any other way except Stoll may only get the major.

 

[Sandor45]

125- Gilman by TF
133- Tossup now but give me Clark in March. 5-3
141- Carton with the win. Heil better bring his gas tank. 8-3
149- BS 11-3
157= Kemdawg Another great match up 14-3
165- OSU major over Moody or DSJ 14-7
174= Meyer gets his revenge 17-7
184- Brooks makes the guy wish he was 197 20-7
197- OSU 20-10
Hwt= Stoll by pinfall 26-10

I don't see it going any other way except Stoll may only get the major.

Interesting prediction at 65.
Sounds like Gunther will be out due to injury?
If that's the case than I'm going to assume if we don't see Marinelli out there this week, than we won't see him the rest of the season in the lineup.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Interesting prediction at 65.
Sounds like Gunther will be out due to injury?
If that's the case than I'm going to assume if we don't see Marinelli out there this week, than we won't see him the rest of the season in the lineup.

Idk he could pull a Ray Brinzer...

 

[dunkej01]

125- I watched several of Pic matches at the scuffle and also cornell. He gives me the impression of not dealing well with losing and it frustrates him. However is a classic fighter that if the going is going good he gains steam as match goes on. Gilman in my opinion breaks him with his relentless pace and hard snaps.
Iowa 4-0
133- Clark looked good friday, but brock has the look of a champion to me. He is fearless in all the ties and no shortage of gas and gusto. I know brock was announced to the world when he beat brewer but this is his spot.
Iowa 4-3
141- christopher looks strong as an ox and unafraid. this is a bad matchup because the ox in christopher plays into heils hands. the score will make the match look closer than it is as heil will not shoot once but get 2-3 TDs
4-6
149 - Sorenson as Vais said is the most slept on title contender, but like brock collica looks like a man on a mission. if its CHA sorenson, its not so Im going upset.
4-9
157 - joe has looked slow and sluggish to me. KemDog has pace/tank and I dont think he has any fear in him. If kem can pull a mini nolf with relentless attacks and movement, joe will gas and kem can win. also think if kem gets an edge, joe will shut it down and kem will face mush him.
7-9
165 - going with the bull to wrestle. even though he was at midlands, this match, the crowd, the tight match might have the nerves stretched in the young guy. I think he fires off an early shot from too much space and rodgers counters. the early two rodgers just builds on for a 3-4 point win.
7-12
174- if iowa wants to win this, they have to plant the flag here or this could be out of reach. Meyer starts too slow too often. lucky for him crutchmer isnt into taking a lot of shots when there is the appearance of an even match. I think they spend the 1st feeling each other out. then when one goes down, something weird happens in a roll and NF happen. Unfortunately I think this favors Ok st.
7-15
184-I want brooks to win. But I also want the mullet back. Neither happen here, with boyd by 3 on a late counter TD with 5 secs left
7-18
197 weigle does nothing for me. big slow and boring. unfortunately your best guy graduated.
7-21
HWT stoll needs this more than marsden. stoll wants this more than marsden. stoll bates marsden late and rides him out for the 3-1 win
10-21 Ok St.

 

[pumpdog20]

125: Gilman DEC Picc Iowa 3-0 Piccinnini will "stall" his way to not getting majored
133: Brock DEC Clark 3-3 Brock is the type that gives Clark fits, plus the long layoff
141: Heil MD Carton OkSt 7-3 Carton will put up fight, but just not enough talent
149: Sorenson DEC Collica OkSt 7-6 Typical Sorenson match
157: Smith DEC Kemmerer OkSt 10-6 tight match, going with the home mat here
165: Rogers DEC Gunther OkSt 13-6 match closer than score shows
174: Crutch DEC Meyer OkSt 16-6 OSU with the momentum and all 6 people loudly cheering a last second takedown
184: Brooks DEC Boyd OkSt 16-9 Brooks breaks him in the third and threatens with the major
197: Weigel MD Wilcke OkSt 20-9 Bad match up for Iowa
HWT: Stoll DEC Schafer OkSt 20-12 dominating 4 point win

I feel gross typing this, but I think this is just a home mat advantage. I could easily see flips at 133 and 157 in Carver.

 

[JohnBasedow]

125- I watched several of Pic matches at the scuffle and also cornell. He gives me the impression of not dealing well with losing and it frustrates him. However is a classic fighter that if the going is going good he gains steam as match goes on. Gilman in my opinion breaks him with his relentless pace and hard snaps.
Iowa 4-0
133- Clark looked good friday, but brock has the look of a champion to me. He is fearless in all the ties and no shortage of gas and gusto. I know brock was announced to the world when he beat brewer but this is his spot.
Iowa 4-3
141- christopher looks strong as an ox and unafraid. this is a bad matchup because the ox in christopher plays into heils hands. the score will make the match look closer than it is as heil will not shoot once but get 2-3 TDs
4-6
149 - Sorenson as Vais said is the most slept on title contender, but like brock collica looks like a man on a mission. if its CHA sorenson, its not so Im going upset.
4-9
157 - joe has looked slow and sluggish to me. KemDog has pace/tank and I dont think he has any fear in him. If kem can pull a mini nolf with relentless attacks and movement, joe will gas and kem can win. also think if kem gets an edge, joe will shut it down and kem will face mush him.
7-9
165 - going with the bull to wrestle. even though he was at midlands, this match, the crowd, the tight match might have the nerves stretched in the young guy. I think he fires off an early shot from too much space and rodgers counters. the early two rodgers just builds on for a 3-4 point win.
7-12
174- if iowa wants to win this, they have to plant the flag here or this could be out of reach. Meyer starts too slow too often. lucky for him crutchmer isnt into taking a lot of shots when there is the appearance of an even match. I think they spend the 1st feeling each other out. then when one goes down, something weird happens in a roll and NF happen. Unfortunately I think this favors Ok st.
7-15
184-I want brooks to win. But I also want the mullet back. Neither happen here, with boyd by 3 on a late counter TD with 5 secs left
7-18
197 weigle does nothing for me. big slow and boring. unfortunately your best guy graduated.
7-21
HWT stoll needs this more than marsden. stoll wants this more than marsden. stoll bates marsden late and rides him out for the 3-1 win
10-21 Ok St.

 

[danish_hawkeye]

I predict no old Iowa alum hits a double leg on a punk OSU small forward this year.

 

[el dub]

I'll just go with what the WrestleStat prediction engine says

http://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/dual/34/iowa/57/oklahoma-state

21-10 Hawks?

That would be getting all of the breaks in the away dual, no?

Who programmed that thing?

 

[Kwoodhawk]

21-10 Hawks?

That would be getting all of the breaks in the away dual, no?

Who programmed that thing?

Spoons......aka reddog..........

 

[RPWinni0]

Fox sports college is broadcasting on the Pacific and central channels. Mediacom 174

According to my guide, Fox Sports Pacific will broadcast the meet at 2PM central time.

 

[Azchief32]

21-10 Hawks?

That would be getting all of the breaks in the away dual, no?

Who programmed that thing?

Heard we have a guy on the inside

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Meyer was only majored one time last year and that was a 10-2 loss to Epperly. He wrestled Crutchmer to a 11-10 decision last year. What makes you think it will be a major this year?

That's a great point. I saw that match last year and Crutchmer almost pinned him in under 30 seconds...and after the takedown and back points, Crutchmer played too much defense while Alex kept coming at him and almost came from behind to win it. This year I think Crutchmer is just as good as last year, while Alex has been a bit sluggish against quality opponents. And with the home crowd I think it will be a blowout. This isn't what I want to see, but it is what I think will happen. Thanks for the discussion.

 

[CP84]

That's a great point. I saw that match last year and Crutchmer almost pinned him in under 30 seconds...and after the takedown and back points, Crutchmer played too much defense while Alex kept coming at him and almost came from behind to win it. This year I think Crutchmer is just as good as last year, while Alex has been a bit sluggish against quality opponents. And with the home crowd I think it will be a blowout. This isn't what I want to see, but it is what I think will happen. Thanks for the discussion.

He got caught early and then basically out wrestled Crutchmer for much of 2 periods. Crutchmer wasn'the simply playing defense. He was gassed in the 3rd period.

I would say the likelihood of Meyer getting pinned is higher than him losing by md.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

He got caught early and then basically out wrestled Crutchmer for much of 2 periods. Crutchmer was playing defense. He was gassed in the 3rd period.

I would say the likelihood of Meyer getting pinned is higher than him losing by md.

That's a good point as well as Crutchmer was definitely gassed. I'm clearly pulling for Alex, but just don't think he'll have a stellar day. Would love to see him start his matches against ranked opponents more aggressively; it's almost like he's waiting for the 3rd period to make his run. Just noticed that the dual meet will be on Flo, so grateful that we get to watch this one. A lot of nail biting matches!!

 

[CP84]

That's a good point as well as Crutchmer was definitely gassed. I'm clearly pulling for Alex, but just don't think he'll have a stellar day. Would love to see him start his matches against ranked opponents more aggressively; it's almost like he's waiting for the 3rd period to make his run. Just noticed that the dual meet will be on Flo, so grateful that we get to watch this one. A lot of nail biting matches!!

I'm not too worried about Alex. Last year he was routinely criticized all season for lack of offense from his 7-0 loss to Walters at Midlands through the Big 10 tournament.

He gets the job done when the pressure is on as he made All American.

 

[Omahahawk86]

He got caught early and then basically out wrestled Crutchmer for much of 2 periods. Crutchmer wasn'the simply playing defense. He was gassed in the 3rd period.

I would say the likelihood of Meyer getting pinned is higher than him losing by md.

How did he get caught? Hey got launched in a dirty head lock.

This match should have went to ot last year. It was right when they new rules came out. With like 2 seconds left crutch walked straight backwards out of bounds and there was no call(that's not one of the officials options).

 

[thompsonja]

125-major for iowa
133-close match for iowa
141- close match osu
149- upset osu
157 kemdog millionair iowa
165 marrinelli iowa wins. rodgers has a 1 hour way in so he wont be the same wrestler as the scuffle
174- cruth daddy with a close win osu
184- brooks is to strong for boyd.
197- could be a tech for osu. Just cant choose bottom. But it will be a close dec
285- schafer hasnt felt power weight an pace like stoll. Dec iowa.

 

[Kwoodhawk]

That's a great point. I saw that match last year and Crutchmer almost pinned him in under 30 seconds...and after the takedown and back points, Crutchmer played too much defense while Alex kept coming at him and almost came from behind to win it. This year I think Crutchmer is just as good as last year, while Alex has been a bit sluggish against quality opponents. And with the home crowd I think it will be a blowout. This isn't what I want to see, but it is what I think will happen. Thanks for the discussion.

I just start to chuckle every time someone mentions Home crowd down at OSU. I mean really............. it is a good for a laugh.

 

[Grip220]

125- Picc is no where near Gilman's league at least a major . 4-0
133- Clarke wins a close one excited for this one ready for a battle I believe Micic is as good as Brock but Brock has more offense .. 7-0
141- I will go nuts if Topher can get a win here I will jump up and down on my coffee table and put my head through the ceiling but I think Heil has a little to much rt now 7-3
149- Sorenson gets a nice solid win your the man 10-3
157- Kemdog,s fangs are just starting to show gets the win 13-3
165- Looking forward to the Bull really showing us what he's got But not sure if he's got this just yet if Bull gets the start and a win here again I will def have break something in a pure exuberant outbreak hope my wife is not around it will not be the first time I have hit her with a Jap double in my house 13-6
174- Come on Meyer lets see it you got this 16-6
184- Brooks is on a mission crush Boyd 19-6
197- Weigel maybe just a little to much here I believe in Wilke he has a lot to show us 19-9
285- Stoll the big man rolls with a major 23-9

 

[Czech Hawk]

Probably the best response there is to his selection on this board. Go sell crazy somewhere else...
I had to go watch the video on this after seeing the post so here it is..

 

[championhawk]

Interesting prediction at 65.
Sounds like Gunther will be out due to injury?
If that's the case than I'm going to assume if we don't see Marinelli out there this week, than we won't see him the rest of the season in the lineup.

I have heard Gunther will be back soon, so I edited my post Gunther/St. John. It might depend on what has happened in the first 5 weights. I would expect him back Friday if he doesn't go today. I am leaning towards him going today which is remarkable.

 

[CowboyUp61]

HWT stoll needs this more than marsden. stoll wants this more than marsden. stoll bates marsden late and rides him out for the 3-1 win
10-21 Ok St.

I am sure glad Marsden coming back from his coaching gig at Army for this dual

 

[Chickenman Testa]

I just start to chuckle every time someone mentions Home crowd down at OSU. I mean really............. it is a good for a laugh.

 

[pinters]

Gonna be a battle ....97 n Heavy seem battlefeildish but than again so does drawing a home crowd. Oh..Had to poke! Seriously though Love me some John Smith & Co.
Get uhm Hawks no points left behind!!!
JMO imo 16-16

 

[wasdt21]

the 2 greatest college programs get it on,one thing I know the outcome will have little to do with what happens in march.last year showed me that. and yes pinters have much respect for john smith,if that's his real name(sounds alittle made up)

 

[championhawk]

Gonna be a battle ....97 n Heavy seem battlefeildish but than again so does drawing a home crowd. Oh..Had to poke! Seriously though Love me some John Smith & Co.
Get uhm Hawks no points left behind!!!
JMO imo 16-16

I hope you end up in a suite in St. Louis with fellow HR guys so we can find out if you are as challenging to decipher in real life as you are on here

 

[Kwoodhawk]

I hope you end up in a suite in St. Louis with fellow HR guys so we can find out if you are as challenging to decipher in real life as you are on here

So you want a whole bunch of HR Posters to get converted...............and post in Pinterlish..........

 

[dhm47]

125: Gilman maj Piccinni 4-0 Iowa
133: Clark dec Brock 7-0
141: Heil dec Topher 7-3
149: Sorenson dec Collica 10-3
157: Kemdawg dec Smith 13-3
165: Rogers pin Gunther 13-9
174: Crutchmer dec Meyer 13-12
184: Boyd dec Brooks 13-15
197: Wiegel dec Wilcke 13-18
285: Stoll dec Schafer 16-18

I think we hold the shirt on Marinelli and it costs us the dual. So many good matches (133, 149, 157, 165 if the Bull goes, 174, 184, and 285). Can't wait!!!

Yup, I think it's on Brooks

 

[Azchief32]

Andegre...just had a guy from Nevada in my classroom for a ride in an F-16. He is a Blackhawk pilot in the Boone Army unit. Class of 96 by the name of Hendricks...soccer player.
Small world.

 

[el dub]

LOL I sold coffee beans to a few guys from the Boone Army unit when we had a shop in WDM. Seemed like a solid bunch.

 

[DirtyJohns]

Channel 675 if you have Directv and the sports pack.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Iowa has a great shot to win. I think Okie St is deep, but maybe a better tournament than dual team. With everyone being able to contribute team points up and down the lineup. Don't see them getting much in the way of bonus vs the Hawks. A lot of swing matches that favor the Hawks. Could go a lot of different ways in those swing matches but I think Iowa wins 20-12. We'll having a much different discussion in a few weeks when Iowa wrestles PSU.

 

[CP84]

How did he get caught? Hey got launched in a dirty head lock.

He got caught is exactly what happened. He was driving into Crutch from an elevated position and his momentum got him out of position and allowed Crutch to throw in the headlock. He should have dropped his hips down. You can see the highlight at 1:30 on the video. The headlock was clearly a reaction to Meyers action, hence got caught.



Here's Meyer 1 second before the TD.

 

[Omahahawk86]

He got caught is exactly what happened. He was driving into Crutch from an elevated position and his momentum got him out of position and allowed Crutch to throw in the headlock. He should have dropped his hips down. You can see the highlight at 1:30 on the video. The headlock was clearly a reaction to Meyers action, hence got caught.

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Hmm he got headlocked by a guy that throws headlocks.

 

[CowboyUp61]

Hmm he got headlocked by a guy that throws headlocks.

and sets it up so that he can do so without a lot of danger

 

[CP84]

Hmm he got headlocked by a guy that throws headlocks.

The point is you argued semantics over my use of getting caught. Getting caught is exactly what happens when you get into a headlock like this. Crutch used Meyer's forward momentum against him.

 

[Omahahawk86]

The point is you argued semantics over my use of getting caught. Getting caught is exactly what happens when you get into a headlock like this. Crutch used Meyer's forward momentum against him.

It's pretty tough to hit a headlock if someone is not pushing into you or have weight leaning on you. Actually, near impossible. It's something crutch hits all the time.

People use the term "caught" way to much. If Meyer isn't aware that crutch has a headlock in his pocket that's on him. It's not him getting caught.

 

[CP84]

It's pretty tough to hit a headlock if someone is not pushing into you or have weight leaning on you. Actually, near impossible. It's something crutch hits all the time.

People use the term "caught" way to much. If Meyer isn't aware that crutch has a headlock in his pocket that's on him. It's not him getting caught.

Your point seems contradictory. First you say it requires Meyer to put himself out of position by pushing forward then you say it's not getting caught for no other reason than the term is overused.

Whether the term is generally overused in other examples is beside the point. The standard definition of getting caught essentially means falling into a trap move which a headlock is. That's far different than say Metcalf hitting a double and taking someone to their back or Stoll running a power half. Those are purely offensive moves. Headlocks are the very definition of getting caught.

 

[Omahahawk86]

Your point seems contradictory. First you say it requires Meyer to put himself out of position by pushing forward then you say it's not getting caught for no other reason than the term is overused.

Whether the term is generally overused in other examples is beside the point. The standard definition of getting caught essentially means falling into a trap move which a headlock is. That's far different than say Metcalf hitting a double and taking someone to their back or Stoll running a power half. Those are purely offensive moves. Headlocks are the very definition of getting caught.

Not really. A lot of things require them to lean/pressure in duck/slide by/shrug etc. I wouldn't consider them getting caught.

Agree to disagree.