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Odd given Iowa Football recruited him at LB. You would think max weight for football would be 235-240 range at LB. Maybe he switches to DE and is in the 250-260 range.
 
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Odd given Iowa Football recruited him at LB. You would think max weight for football would be 235-240 range at LB. Maybe he switches to DE and is in the 250-260 range.
He will likely be 6'4 by then and even if he weighed 235 there wouldn't be 38 pounds of fat to lose to make 197.
 
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Guys have already been successful at that weight range. He is also very tall which will give a nice reach and leverage advantage and he also has a rather fluid skill set like a lighter weight guy. I think he has the tools to be very effective.
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Odd given Iowa Football recruited him at LB. You would think max weight for football would be 235-240 range at LB. Maybe he switches to DE and is in the 250-260 range.
What’s your point about max weight? Doesn’t 240 sound about right? (I really doubt the football team wants him at 197 and they could care less about him being a small heavy if his ideal football weight puts him at 240.)
 
So are Franklin and Kueter both HWT? I know Franklin was dealing with some lineup shuffling due to Wyoming Seminary just being stacked but not sure where that all landed as far as his projected weight,
 
So are Franklin and Kueter both HWT? I know Franklin was dealing with some lineup shuffling due to Wyoming Seminary just being stacked but not sure where that all landed as far as his projected weight,
I think Franklin is slotted in at 197. That is my understanding anyway. Kueter and Fleshman are the current HWT. recruits.
 
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So are Franklin and Kueter both HWT? I know Franklin was dealing with some lineup shuffling due to Wyoming Seminary just being stacked but not sure where that all landed as far as his projected weight,
Franklin is not a heavyweight.
 
He will likely be 6'4 by then and even if he weighed 235 there wouldn't be 38 pounds of fat to lose to make 197.
If 197 is the plan for wrestling makes you wonder if he has spoken to KF about playing CASH and weighing in at around 210? Not sure if he is athletic enough to play CASH but 210-215 is a realistic weight for that position. If he is at LB he will need to be in the 230-235 range. I can tell you from experience its only realistic to lose around 15lbs of that weight and not totally wreck your body. There just isn't 30+lbs to lose when you are a DI football LB. Also football season runs into January so he would have to lose that weight within the month for wrestling. I'm guessing its HWT for wrestling and a plan to have him around 240lbs for football and wrestling. Maybe gets up to 245-250 for wrestling. I could see him at DE as well and weighing 255. I think DE and HWT are the most realistic options.
 
What’s your point about max weight? Doesn’t 240 sound about right? (I really doubt the football team wants him at 197 and they could care less about him being a small heavy if his ideal football weight puts him at 240.)
I think DE and HWT is his most realistic option. If he ends up around 6'4" he could be an athletic 250-255lb DE in the B1G. It would also put him in an ideal situation for wrestling at HWT. My one worry for him at DE however is the amount of pressure the position puts on your knees and hips. If he ends up right around 6'4" I think he could play LB in Iowa's system at around 235-243lbs and still be able to do what the position requires of him. 240 is an interesting weight however for HWT and competing with the top of the division. There is definitely a max weight at LB for Iowa. Iowa needs their LB's to move well laterally and get to the gaps in under 3 secs in a 5-10yd range. Jack Campbell is as big as they come at the Iowa LB position and he is 6'5" 243. Most Iowa LB's are 6'1-6'3 and in the 225-235 range. With Jack Campbell even the NFL scouts rave about how rare it is to have a 6'5" 240lb LB that can strictly do the things a LB needs to do in a 4-3 defense. If Iowa played a 3-4 defense well then Iowa would have some 240-250lb LB's
 
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I think DE and HWT is his most realistic option. If he ends up around 6'4" he could be an athletic 250-255lb DE in the B1G. It would also put him in an ideal situation for wrestling at HWT. My one worry for him at DE however is the amount of pressure the position puts on your knees and hips. If he ends up right around 6'4" I think he could play LB in Iowa's system at around 235-243lbs and still be able to do what the position requires of him. 240 is an interesting weight however for HWT and competing with the top of the division. There is definitely a max weight at LB for Iowa. Iowa needs their LB's to move well laterally and get to the gaps in under 3 secs in a 5-10yd range. Jack Campbell is as big as they come at the Iowa LB position and he is 6'5" 243. Most Iowa LB's are 6'1-6'3 and in the 225-235 range. With Jack Campbell even the NFL scouts rave about how rare it is to have a 6'5" 240lb LB that can strictly do the things a LB needs to do in a 4-3 defense. If Iowa played a 3-4 defense well then Iowa would have some 240-250lb LB's
That all sounds right. However, my guess is one sport will take precedence. And I’m guessing his ideal football weight, whatever that may be, will ultimately decide his wrestling weight.
 
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The Gable Steveson's are rare. I think its realistic to see a lot of the top HWT's at 6'1"-6'4" and 265lbs ideally. 20lbs is a lot of leverage to give up. Isn't Parris up to 265 right now? PSU wants Kerkvliet at 250-255. I think Kerkvliet is a decent comparison to Kueter. A good weight range that doesn't sacrifice too much of the athleticism. Parris at 6'2" needed to beef up more to wash or cancel out any leverage issues. Same thing why Steveson's ideal weight is 265.
 
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I agree DE + HWT would be the best situation for BK to succeed in both sports.

0% chance he can play CASH. He could play LEO (the OLB that comes off when the CASH comes on).. but CASH is a defensive back position.
 
If 197 is the plan for wrestling makes you wonder if he has spoken to KF about playing CASH and weighing in at around 210? Not sure if he is athletic enough to play CASH but 210-215 is a realistic weight for that position. If he is at LB he will need to be in the 230-235 range. I can tell you from experience its only realistic to lose around 15lbs of that weight and not totally wreck your body. There just isn't 30+lbs to lose when you are a DI football LB. Also football season runs into January so he would have to lose that weight within the month for wrestling. I'm guessing its HWT for wrestling and a plan to have him around 240lbs for football and wrestling. Maybe gets up to 245-250 for wrestling. I could see him at DE as well and weighing 255. I think DE and HWT are the most realistic options.
He's wrestling 220 right now as a Junior in High School.
 
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Will be extremely difficult to play Football and Wrestle regardless of what weight/position. We will need a 197-and heavy if he does not commit to Wrestling full time!
 
He has a big frame already and still growing. Dad is 6'7 255 ish, Uncle 6'9 300 likely more.

The bones and paws are there to grow into a 6'6 270-290 machine.

I personally think Ben will end up switching to TE then eventually a LT. Will win a national title or 2 in NCAA's then have a great shot of starting on sundays like Stephen Neal. Or maybe he ends up like a Karl Klug. If you remember he came in as a 3 star 240 LB from Minny with his twin. They have the same type frames. But Ben is more athletic

I would guess once he gets into the food and weights he will shoot up. I could see 10-15 pounds a year. Meaning he walks into the room at 245 and leaves as a 285 athletic blocking machine. Like a Reiley Rief or a Ross Verba. A more athletic faster version of Austin Blythe. And if I had to pick i would take him in a match over other recently highly ranked IA prep heavies like a Blythe or a Eric Thompson


What we are about to see with this kid is very rare in sports. IMO once he can let a weight catch up with him he will be the #1 P4P on Willies big board about a year from now. Wont be losing to a Carroll or anyone else nationally again. Cant wait for his WNO invite. He won 160 as a freshman and hasnt been able to catch his breath from growing since. When he does...another level.
 
He's wrestling 220 right now as a Junior in High School.
I have always been a fan of the 220lb division and someone who thinks it could greatly benefit collegiate wrestling. You eliminate so many of the football kids by basically eliminating anyone who's ideal athletic weight is between 205-230lbs. That's a huge weight range in the athletic world. I was one of those kids that at 6'2" couldn't get under 200lbs without starving myself once I hit 19-20 years of age. For Kueter if he is in the 215-220lb range as a high school JR he will have no problem beefing up to 230-235 right away in college and playing LB. His body is ahead of most kids his age. That is a realistic weight as a TFR starting out at HWT as well much like Parris and Kerkvielt.
 
He has a big frame already and still growing. Dad is 6'7 255 ish, Uncle 6'9 300 likely more.

The bones and paws are there to grow into a 6'6 270-290 machine.

I personally think Ben will end up switching to TE then eventually a LT. Will win a national title or 2 in NCAA's then have a great shot of starting on sundays like Stephen Neal. Or maybe he ends up like a Karl Klug. If you remember he came in as a 3 star 240 LB from Minny with his twin. They have the same type frames. But Ben is more athletic

I would guess once he gets into the food and weights he will shoot up. I could see 10-15 pounds a year. Meaning he walks into the room at 245 and leaves as a 285 athletic blocking machine. Like a Reiley Rief or a Ross Verba. A more athletic faster version of Austin Blythe. And if I had to pick i would take him in a match over other recently highly ranked IA prep heavies like a Blythe or a Eric Thompson


What we are about to see with this kid is very rare in sports. IMO once he can let a weight catch up with him he will be the #1 P4P on Willies big board about a year from now. Wont be losing to a Carroll or anyone else nationally again. Cant wait for his WNO invite. He won 160 as a freshman and hasnt been able to catch his breath from growing since. When he does...another level.
I have heard from a big time wrestling guy back in Iowa that Football is holding him back from reaching legendary status in the wrestling room. On the opposite side I have heard the same in football. I hope he sticks both out throughout college and becomes a legendary collegiate athlete. It would be nice if his final growth spurt lands him at 6'4.5" and he lands at TE or DE in college football and a 255-260lb HWT in wrestling. As of now I know Iowa football wants him at LB.
 
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Will be extremely difficult to play Football and Wrestle regardless of what weight/position. We will need a 197-and heavy if he does not commit to Wrestling full time!
FB is gonna pay his ride so it seems pretty unlikely he wrestles full time.
 
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FB is gonna pay his ride so it seems pretty unlikely he wrestles full time.
Which is why I hope his football position lines up well with wrestling. If he is playing football at 250+lb's he will be able to slide over to wrestling a lot easier the first week of January and be ready for the B1G schedule. He would also be able to wrestle most of the IC dates in December.
 
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I think a lot of you are overthinking this. He will be football first, likely will never be in a singlet in a live match until after Jan 1st each season but if you are a special talent you can be on a pitch count and still win a wrestling title. Thats how college wrestling is trending and will continue to be for the rare talents. Its already moved to that.

Kirk and Tom understand what they have here. And sounds like Ben is willing to put in the work for both. Ben played CF for the baseball team and still made wrestling tourney's. He's not your normal athlete.

grab some popcorn and enjoy this ride while it last because he could be in the NFL draft early.

We are only a few years away from seeing specials on him on college gamedays. Because this will be like what if a Wirfs, Epenesa or Linderbaum were elite NCAA Champion type wrestlers too.
 
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I think a lot of you are overthinking this. He will be football first, likely will never be in a singlet in a live match until after Jan 1st each season but if you are a special talent you can be on a pitch count and still win a wrestling title. Thats how college wrestling is trending and will continue to be for the rare talents. Its already moved to that.

Kirk and Tom understand what they have here. And sounds like Ben is willing to put in the work for both. Ben played CF for the baseball team and still made wrestling tourney's. He's not your normal athlete.

grab some popcorn and enjoy this ride while it last because he could be in the NFL draft early.

We are only a few years away from seeing specials on him on college gamedays. Because this will be like what if a Wirfs, Epenesa or Linderbaum were elite NCAA Champion type wrestlers too.
I'll let it play out and go from there.
 
I think a lot of you are overthinking this. He will be football first, likely will never be in a singlet in a live match until after Jan 1st each season but if you are a special talent you can be on a pitch count and still win a wrestling title. Thats how college wrestling is trending and will continue to be for the rare talents. Its already moved to that.

Kirk and Tom understand what they have here. And sounds like Ben is willing to put in the work for both. Ben played CF for the baseball team and still made wrestling tourney's. He's not your normal athlete.

grab some popcorn and enjoy this ride while it last because he could be in the NFL draft early.

We are only a few years away from seeing specials on him on college gamedays. Because this will be like what if a Wirfs, Epenesa or Linderbaum were elite NCAA Champion type wrestlers too.
I certainly hope you are correct! He would have to be a tremendous talent and then some to pull this off. D1 Football and Wrestling each takes an unbelievable amount of work to be successful. Guys like Stephen Neil , Carlton Haselrig , wrestled, then went on to play pro ball. This is a little different as we are talking about the kid doing both football and wrestling in college.
 
He has a big frame already and still growing. Dad is 6'7 255 ish, Uncle 6'9 300 likely more.

The bones and paws are there to grow into a 6'6 270-290 machine.

I personally think Ben will end up switching to TE then eventually a LT. Will win a national title or 2 in NCAA's then have a great shot of starting on sundays like Stephen Neal. Or maybe he ends up like a Karl Klug. If you remember he came in as a 3 star 240 LB from Minny with his twin. They have the same type frames. But Ben is more athletic

I would guess once he gets into the food and weights he will shoot up. I could see 10-15 pounds a year. Meaning he walks into the room at 245 and leaves as a 285 athletic blocking machine. Like a Reiley Rief or a Ross Verba. A more athletic faster version of Austin Blythe. And if I had to pick i would take him in a match over other recently highly ranked IA prep heavies like a Blythe or a Eric Thompson


What we are about to see with this kid is very rare in sports. IMO once he can let a weight catch up with him he will be the #1 P4P on Willies big board about a year from now. Wont be losing to a Carroll or anyone else nationally again. Cant wait for his WNO invite. He won 160 as a freshman and hasnt been able to catch his breath from growing since. When he does...another level.
He already committed to Iowa - He won't be #1 on Willie's board
 
I certainly hope you are correct! He would have to be a tremendous talent and then some to pull this off. D1 Football and Wrestling each takes an unbelievable amount of work to be successful. Guys like Stephen Neil , Carlton Haselrig , wrestled, then went on to play pro ball. This is a little different as we are talking about the kid doing both football and wrestling in college.
He ain't the first and won't be the last.
 
Quite a few have done both, very few have done both well. Mark Sindlinger comes to mind as one of the few, but his wrestling suffered by having to stay in football for bowl games, and only concentrating on wrestling for a couple of months. He could have been a great DI wrestler, I think.
 
Unless something drastically changes, Look for Kueter to go as a true freshman at HWT and likely only give us 1 more year on the mat if we’re lucky.
 
Forgot about the free year…. This is not good news for those wanting to see Kueter on the mat at Iowa as much as possible.
 
Forgot about the free year…. This is not good news for those wanting to see Kueter on the mat at Iowa as much as possible.
I can wait. We have a proven damn good HWT. already, I call that good news. Kueter's path will work itself out in due time. He's a Hawkeye, if and when he sees the field or the mat I'll be cheering him on.
 
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Forgot about the free year…. This is not good news for those wanting to see Kueter on the mat at Iowa as much as possible.
Hopefully the coaches plan accordingly so we end up with a big point scorer manning the spot after Cass.
 
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My Vote, not that it matters, Ben will be a PROBLEM whatever weight he goes. The kid is so athletic! It's hard to he and my son wrestled in 8th grade at 145 pounds...... Ben grows into a manchild.....my poor kid is as runt. Life ain't fair. . . .
Kueter went from 160 to 195 in a year. YIKES! (and his was the "good" type of weight gain obviously)

Sounds like genetics are working on getting young Mr. Kueter to his preferred size in the Family lineage. 🙂
 
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