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Iowa Volleyball

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Nice to see they picked up where they left off from last season in Big Ten play. They are 0-3 in the conference so far dropping to NW 0-3, Illinois 0-3, and Wisconsin 1-3. They lost their last 12 matches if the year last year in the Big Ten all 0-3 as well.

It's one thing to be bad, it's another to not even be competitive. The volleyball program needs a complete overhaul to say the least.
This post was edited on 10/5 2:46 AM by IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life
 
Yeah, although the last time VB was overhauled (if the rumors are true), the first 7 candidates either refused an interview or declined following the interview. Dingmann was #8.
 
Does anyone know what is wrong with the athletic department that it was so difficult to find a volleyball coach. As strong as the B1G is in volleyball it would be a great opportunity to come in and build a program. Same thing happened with the softball position was open.
 
Yes. It is still the same staff left over (or at least mind set) from when Christine Grant was AD.
The people in the dept 'think" they know more than anyone and have an old mindset when it came to last search.
time for some new blood in the athletic dept as well!!!!
(look at the success of the women's programs as of late. Softball, fallen down, field hockey a mere shadow of itself, volleyball is a joke, only bball is moderately successful.... and that is sort of questionable since Stringer left)

But, yes, the program is now 0-4 in Big Ten.
 
To be fair SB had an RPI that almost got them into the NCAA tournament, despite the 9th place B10 finish. The year before we were 2nd in the B10 but with a crappy RPI. Maybe next spring the Hawks will put both together.

But the VB situation is something else. I don't doubt the previous situation with practice facilities was a serious problem, particularly considering CHA isn't air conditioned and is warm & stuffy in Aug and the first part of Sep. Now that facilities are no longer an issue, it's very frustrating that not only are we still not competitive in the B10, but we've been hammered by a couple of the mid-majors on the n/c schedule,
 
The problems with Iowa Volleyball are numerous and deep. First and formost this is the least historically successfull varsity program that Iowa has ever fielded so there is absolutely zero history of success and zero tradition. In the 36 previous seasons that Iowa Volleyball has fielded a varsity program, they only have had 8 B1G season winning records and almost all of those came under Sandy Stewart and Ruth Nelson in the 1980s. It is the only varsity sport that Iowa fields that has a losing series record against every other program in the conference and most are by extremely wide margins. There are two programs in the conference that we have never even beaten once. NOT ONE TIME. The facilities are some of the worst in the conference outside Northwestern. We are one of only three progrmas that do not have their own competition space, the fan support for all of Iowa's non-revenue sports is some of the weakest in the league, and we give our coaches shoe-string budgets to work with. A month ago they did install the new TereFlex competion floor so at least we are no longer one of the only programs in NCAA Division I that has to play their games on the basketball floor with white tape on the ground. So basically for the first time we actaully have somewhat of a volleyball competition space. Only took 36 years to get it.

Those are the historical challanges. Here are the more recent issues. The Cindy Fredrick era was devastating to Iowa Volleyball and it is not necessarily due to the win-lose record. Like her or not, Cindy Fredrick was and continues to be very highly regarded among those in the volleyball coaching community. She had a strong record of taking over multiple programs with no history of winning and building them into competitive programs competting for championships. The job she did at Washington State in the PAC-12 before coming to Iowa was probably the volleyball equivalent of what Bill Snyder did for Kansas State football. She was considered by almost everyone in the college volleyball world as the perfect hire for Iowa. An Iowa girl coming back to her home state to do what she had already done multiple times and that was to build a volleyball program from nothing. Well, something obviously went wrong, becasue the Cindy Fredrick era was a train wreck. The more devastating impact was what this did to the opinions of perspective coaching hires. They looked at Iowa and said; wow, if Cindy can't succeed there then there must be something wrong at Iowa. Gary Barta learned very quickly during the hiring process about how unattractive the head coaching job is at Iowa. His first search fell apart when he was pretty openly shuned by nemurous coaching prospects. Dingman was hired after the 2nd official search and by most acocunts was the 6th choice at best. Since the Dingman hire, Iowa volleyball is still a disaster and even more critical to the Iowa program, Cindy Frederick has moved on to UNLV and is having success rebuilding that program. So now the coaching community is looking at Cindy Fredrick and saying, she was successfull before Iowa and is successfull again after Iowa, so the problem wasn't Cindy Fredrick, the problem is Iowa. It is considered a grave yard job.

What is the solution? That's the million dollar question. Unless some sugar daddy booster comes along with a huge donation to the volleyball program, most if not all of the structural support issues for the program are not going to be resolved. Add on the fact that the B1G right now is the best volleyball conference in the country with 4-5 elite national programs with elite level coaches and 3-4 other programs that are just one small step away from joining that elite group. Who ever the next coach is will have to be recruiting head to head regionally against guys like Hugh McCutcheon, Kevin Hambly, John Cook and Kelly Sheffield. If you are a high end recruit in Minnesota and Sharon Dingman is coming into your living room to recruit you to Iowa, then Hugh McCutcheon comes in the next night and hands you his resume, and then the following night John Cook comes into your living room and talks to you about what he's been able to accomplish at Wisconsin and Nebraska, where are you going to go?

The only way Iowa will be able to land any type of coach is if they just throw some absolutely silly money at a real big name coach which won't happen. So, a bunch of problems with this volleyball program with no money to solve them. Expect Dingman to have an extremely long leash. This is the last year of her contract, but wouldn't shock me if she gets a year-to-year extension ala Jack Dahm. I heard that Barta was considering a coaching change after last season and put out some feelers to some possible coaching candidates to see what interest they would have. The story I was told was that he was rebuffed pretty quickly and realized that he better just stick with Dingman. With 9 B1G teams ranked in the top 25 and Illinois just outside the Top-25 but with multiple wins over a number of teams in the top 25, I don't see more than 2 conference wins this season. To the teams credit, they did take #8 Minnesota to 5 games this weekend before they lost.






This post was edited on 10/8 10:05 AM by 73chief
 
I certainly agree the B10 is the toughest place to try to build a VB program. Not unlike trying to build a SB program from nothing in the Pac12, or a WBB program in the Big East. But has the new practice facility not benefited VB at all? I understand Dahm was complaining that the BB team didn't have regular access to 4 indoor batting cages in the new FB building; is VB being kept out of the practice facility by MBB & WBB? Do many B10 VB teams really have dedicated buildings? I see PSU shares Rec Hall with 4 other sports, Illinois shares Huff Hall with wrestling, Wisconsin does the same with the old, maintenance-deferred Fieldhouse. The Rodents share the Sports Pavilion with wrestling and gymnastics.

ISU and UNI play on taped-up BB floors and they're both in the NCAA tournament almost every year (easier conferences, I know). But shouldn't Iowa at least be able to keep up with them, even under the circumstances?

I was aware Cindy Fredrick was well-regarded when she came to Iowa. However, there were morale issues on the team in her last season. I'm not sure I'm remembering player names correctly so I won't mention them, but one of the junior outside hitters who'd been the team MVP quit the team with two weeks to go in the season, followed by the junior setter.

I suspect you're correct that Dingman gets a Dahm-length leash for this year. Sure would be nice to see a little progress, though.
 
Yes, all of the B1G schools share their competition facility with other sports, but those other sports are not in season. So during the volleyball season the facilities at every other school in the B1G other than Northwestern, and Iowa are being used exclusively by the Volleyball team. Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Nebraska all have year-round training facilities exclusively for volleyball. Penn State and Ohio State have to share theirs with the Men's Volleyball programs. Iowa as we speak is having to share their faciltiy with Men's and Women's basketball. They can't practice on the new Tereflex floor that was just purchased because it has to be removed in order for the Men's and Women's basketball teams to use CHA.

Sharon Dingman's salary is in the $130,000.00 range. Barta would have to put a package together in the $200,000+ range to hire the type of coach needed to turn the program around. Hugh McCutcheon's deal at Minnesota is in the $330,000.00(base+incentives), Penn State is not required by Pennsylvania Law to release compensation numbers fo their coaches, but most speculate that Russ Rose is in the $400,000+ randge from all sources. John Cook at Nebraska is int he $350,000 range. These are the types of numbers that Barta is competeing with.

We are a long, long way from remotely being competitive in Women's Volleyball and will require a massive financial influx into the program to even get the procees of building started.
 
agree and disagree on a few points.
First, Cindy took over after Rita had now only burned the program to the ground, but then basically irradiated the ground around it too! There were so many high school coaches of recruits who would actively go out of their way to discourage kids going to Iowa. That is what Cindy had to come in to. Was it a shining success, nope. But, she had significant success at WSU (elite 8 once) and is having success at UNLV. So, who know.
The big issue, I think, is Barta has little to nothing to do with the search, though he is the AD. There are others there that ran it, and according to of a few of the coaches there were contacted and discussed the iowa job, did a very poor job in the search!
How could we not have landed Bond Shymansky?!?! He is from here, parents from here, was interested, and then lands at Marquette? You cannot tell me Marquette has that much better facilities and support, but yet he went there, and has turned that into a pretty solid program.
There are some very good young coaches that might be interested in Iowa, we just need people next time on the job search to be HELD RESPONSIBLE for there horrible process last time!
 
Your right, Crockett did scorch earthed the program. I thought Fredrick was the perfect hire. I was disappointed to see it not work out.

I knew Bond pretty well when we were in college together. I completely lost touch with him when he went to Georgia Tech. I was told that he was reached out to by members of the search committee during the first search in 2008 and was asked to apply. He apparently told them he was not interested. I don't know the timing on this and how far along he was in the interview process at Marquette. I know Bond's last few seasons at Georgia Tech were not quite as good as his earlier seasons there so I don't know if he was getting out of Dodge ahead of the posse that was forming. i would find that hard to believe although that is what someone told me. He has needless to say had good success at Marquette. Don't know if the timing would be right to take another shot at him. Both he and his wife are City High grads if memory serves me correctly.

I do think there is a very strong presence in the Athletic Department from the Christine Grant era that are not real keen on hiring men coaches for women's sports.
 
It amazes me and I do not understand how Barta is not involved in the coaching searches for these programs? We heard the same thing during the baseball coaching search? Somebody needs to hold Gary accountable. When he makes statements that he wants "iowa to compete for a Big 10 title in EVERY sport" the least he can do is be involved in every coaching search/hiring process.
 
Originally posted by IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life:

It amazes me and I do not understand how Barta is not involved in the coaching searches for these programs? We heard the same thing during the baseball coaching search? Somebody needs to hold Gary accountable. When he makes statements that he wants "iowa to compete for a Big 10 title in EVERY sport" the least he can do is be involved in every coaching search/hiring process.
He's a terrible athletic director. He is a great athletic fund-raiser though.

ISU just had their AD focus on hiring a new track coach after there's left for Boise State. I still think Pollard is a huge Dbag, but admit he is certainly much better at his job than Barta. I would not mind one bit seeing Barta leave.
 
another week, another pair of losses.
0-6 in Big Ten.
9-9 overall, thank goodness for those quality wins early over Wofford, Rhode Island, Western Ill, Ball State... (no, wait, we lost to Ball St)
 
Originally posted by Boomer51:

another week, another pair of losses.
0-6 in Big Ten.
9-9 overall, thank goodness for those quality wins early over Wofford, Rhode Island, Western Ill, Ball State... (no, wait, we lost to Ball St)
It took 5 sets to get some of those quality wins too
 
Originally posted by Boomer51:

another week, another pair of losses.
0-6 in Big Ten.
9-9 overall, thank goodness for those quality wins early over Wofford, Rhode Island, Western Ill, Ball State... (no, wait, we lost to Ball St)
As discussed above, 2 B1G wins will be about all you can expect this year. This coming weekend is pretty big with Purdue and Indiana coming into town. Then Northwestern comes into Iowa City in early November. Somehow we have to find a way to get at least 2 of those, all three would be even better.

We unfortunately are a very bad team in the best volleyball league in the country.
 
Iowa gets embarrassed at Nebraska losing 3-0 and losing the final set 25-8. Iowa volleyball is hands down the worst athletic program the university fields, flat out embarrassing. I find it hard to believe the University of Iowa cannot field a team that can compete.
 
I thought we kept our heads up and competed for the first two sets. Then Neb got rolling and we were obviously rattled. Nice night offensively for Rachael Bedell (who looked like the only Hawk that could make Neb's roster), but nobody blocked. Lovell was trying to hit through a fence for us, while the Neb hitters were pretty much uncontested. That's been a problem going back at least the last 3 coaching staffs.
 
Full disclosure,I've been around the VB program enough to be dangerous - but I'm far from being "in the know".
The Iowa HS volleyball programs produce more thant their far share of high D1 talent. Iowa is a very fertile recruiting state.
That said, Dingman has had zero - and I mean ZERO - presence at the State VB Tourney.

IMO, doesn't it make sense that she would elevate the visibility of the Iowa prgeam at the state tournamnet? The best VB teams, players and coaches are there. Rub some elbows - do some schmoozing - build some relationships.
I see ISU's Chrisite Johnson, I see UNI's Bobbi Becker. I've seen Nebraska's John Cook there. But Sharon Dingman? MIA.

While a small point in the grand scheme of building a program, it is something that should done - and isn't. Good grief, it is 20 miles up the road from Iowa City!
If I were Barta, I'd boot her out the door before the lights are off at the last match. We can do better.
 
I know PSU is an excellent team but scoring 8 pts in two games?? Wow, that's really bad.
 
Originally posted by LinusPF:

I know PSU is an excellent team but scoring 8 pts in two games?? Wow, that's really bad.
Iowa also scored 8 in one of the sets vs Nebraska. Iowa @ PSU, not sure how to describe it? 25-8, 25-8, 25-11? The whole match lasted 1 hr and 4 minutes?
 
Originally posted by IowaHawkeyeFBnBB4Life:



Originally posted by LinusPF:

I know PSU is an excellent team but scoring 8 pts in two games?? Wow, that's really bad.
Iowa also scored 8 in one of the sets vs Nebraska. Iowa @ PSU, not sure how to describe it? 25-8, 25-8, 25-11? The whole match lasted 1 hr and 4 minutes?
Ya, absolutely zero positive spin you can put on this match. Outscored 75-27 and of the 27 points we scored, 13 were off of Penn State unforced errors.

I think we might be reaching Rita Crocket territory as far as the current condition of Iowa Volleyball. We might be at less than zero.
 
Originally posted by 122950:
Full disclosure,I've been around the VB program enough to be dangerous - but I'm far from being "in the know".
The Iowa HS volleyball programs produce more thant their far share of high D1 talent. Iowa is a very fertile recruiting state.
That said, Dingman has had zero - and I mean ZERO - presence at the State VB Tourney.

IMO, doesn't it make sense that she would elevate the visibility of the Iowa prgeam at the state tournamnet? The best VB teams, players and coaches are there. Rub some elbows - do some schmoozing - build some relationships.
I see ISU's Chrisite Johnson, I see UNI's Bobbi Becker. I've seen Nebraska's John Cook there. But Sharon Dingman? MIA.

While a small point in the grand scheme of building a program, it is something that should done - and isn't. Good grief, it is 20 miles up the road from Iowa City!
If I were Barta, I'd boot her out the door before the lights are off at the last match. We can do better.
Towards the back end of last season Barta apparently sent out some fealers to prospective head coaching candidates and was pretty quickly rebuffed which led him to move forward for this season with Dingman. So the "we can do better" opinion might not be that accurate. Barta also remembers the fiasco from the last search that led to Dingman being hired.

Don't be shocked if she is given a 1-year contract extension.
 
73 chief
Good point - but that is all the more disturbing IMO.

If Barta did put out feelers last year - he knew he had a problem.
So that gave him one year to put a plan in place to pull the trigger - assuming he had another disaster season to deal with. Well, the disaster is here, and no apparent plan in place? We're now dealing with the old definition of insanity - allowing failure to repeat itself. This really places the sad state of this program at Barta's feet.
There a 500 HS coaches in this state that could lead this moribund program for $130k per year. Maybe not better than what we have right now, but at least different.
Anything is better than a dead man walking - which is what we have right now.
 
Originally posted by 122950:
73 chief
Good point - but that is all the more disturbing IMO.

If Barta did put out feelers last year - he knew he had a problem.
So that gave him one year to put a plan in place to pull the trigger - assuming he had another disaster season to deal with. Well, the disaster is here, and no apparent plan in place? We're now dealing with the old definition of insanity - allowing failure to repeat itself. This really places the sad state of this program at Barta's feet.
There a 500 HS coaches in this state that could lead this moribund program for $130k per year. Maybe not better than what we have right now, but at least different.
Anything is better than a dead man walking - which is what we have right now.
With all due respect, Barta has known he's had a problem with the Volleyball program the day he was hired as AD. I would argue and say his hands are somewhat tied financially to do too much more about it right now. Especially with the financial committment he had to make to the Baseball program in order to get a quality hire there. I think the next go around on hiring a coach, Gary will have to step up to the plate and put together a total compensation package in the $1 million range for the entire staff(head coach, assistant coaches, combined). That is if he does not want to repeat the hiring fiasco of 5 years ago. I don't think that is remotely feasable.

I could be wrong and maybe Gary has a big time coach all lined up to take over the program a few months from now, but I think it is safe to say that "if" Dingman is let go by the end of November, we will get a nice press release talking about how a committee is being formed and a national search will be conducted and they are confident that the volleyball tradition of Iowa will attract interest from numerous top coaches, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Moral of my point is that I have absolutely zero faith in Gary Barta successfully fixing the Iowa Volleyball program.
 
73 chief
You're obviously more dialed into the state of the program.I appreicate your insights, but hope you're dead wrong.

I'm just torqued about the situation. With time, I think the fan base would support a reasonably representative volleyball program.
Right now - we're a double wide trailer in a high rent neighborhood - with Cousin Eddie at the helm and an old mangy dog tied to the front porch.
 
Originally posted by 122950:
73 chief
You're obviously more dialed into the state of the program.I appreicate your insights, but hope you're dead wrong.

I'm just torqued about the situation. With time, I think the fan base would support a reasonably representative volleyball program.
Right now - we're a double wide trailer in a high rent neighborhood - with Cousin Eddie at the helm and an old mangy dog tied to the front porch.
"That there is an R V....It's a good look'n vehicle ain't it........but don't you go fall'n in love with it now, becasue we're taken it with us when we leave here next month."
 
So, she's going to fired, yes? Or, well, her contract will expire and she will not be retained.
We got another embarrassing weekend, losing to Wisc sunday by 25-9 and 25-14?????

So, now that she should be gone, only issue, is will the same people who completely flubbed the last process, do it again??
there are some solid young coaches out there, who might be able to get the train back on the tracks at least.
 
Who is going to come to Iowa? Iowa has shown no commitment to the program and until they do so they will not got any legitimate interest.
 
Let's make sure we compose a committee of people who have no clue about athletics and give them no direction or anyone to manage the process.
 
Originally posted by cidhawkeye:

Let's make sure we compose a committee of people who have no clue about athletics and give them no direction or anyone to manage the process.
Isn't that how Iowa does it in all sports besides basketball and football (wrestling too).
 
My guess is she gets another year - heck we've at least stayed out of 12th place so far.
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Originally posted by Row55:
My guess is she gets another year - heck we've at least stayed out of 12th place so far.
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I know you are joking a bit but I think she will get one additional year unless she loses out and loses out badly which I don't think will happen.

With the financial committment Barta had to make to the baseball program in order to get Heller to take the job, I don't think there are enough resources in the pot to make any new committment to volleyball. Gary would be offering a starting salary in the $110,000-$145,000 range if he's lucky. Compared to the $250,000-$300,000 salaries the elite coaches in the conference are making and the reputation that Iowa has as a graveyard job, you are not going to be able to attract too many quality candidates. I know Gary put some feelers out last year and got rebuffed pretty quickly and I'm assuming has or will be doing the same this year. Unless he comes to the plate with at least a $1 million per year pay package for the entire Volleyball staff, he is not going to get any interest from anyone legit.

If he does fire Dingman and then actually goes into a search committee mode without a single clue who he might be able to hire, then that will be beyond dumb.
 
agree and disagree.
The actual thought, from talking to a lot o big ten and other top coaches, is that some feel iowa CAN be a legit team. Maybe not win the big ten, but, become a much better team. This came from like I said, so big ten coaches.
The issue is, they have not even come closely remote to putting together a quality search.
I think Barta can come up with a salary in the 150K to 175K, and then has to be SMART about the search.
You will not get a coach coming from a very good mid-major, but need to look as potential and possibility, rather than just pedigree.
For example, Tom Hogan, asst at Denver and former asst at Colorado, was asst on the 2008 Bejing Olympic team that won the silver. Currently in charge of USA HP Select program. (head coach) So, knows lots of coaches, but club and high school, is a midwest guy, young and energetic, and you can get him for a decent price.

Kalani Mahi- may be tough to hire away from UNI, but former head coach, knows Iowa, knows success, great recruiter....
Might be able to steal him for a good head coaching job.

Those are just 2 examples that are out of the box thinking.
 
Boomer, can't argue against those two options at all. Frankly that's exactly the out of the box approach we need to take. The unfortunate reality for the two candidates that you mentioned is they are both the wrong gender. There are still very strong forces within the athletic department from the Christine Grant/AIAW days that feel women should be coaching women. I'm not saying a man can't and won't get the job, I'm just saying there will be some significant additional obstacles for a male candidate to overcome. Second, there is a strong mind-set in the athletic department leadership and within the university leadership that Iowa is a destination job in basically all sports and being a previous head coach in the college ranks is a prerequisit for a head coaching position in Iowa City. Marla Looper in softball obviously did not have a prior head coaching job so maybe this stance has softened some.

Regardless, a completely different approach needs to be taken with the next head coaching search and what it will take to build a program. I just don't know if we have the leadership in the AD's office to do that.
 
Tom Keating

Go get him!
For starters, he will get get the attention of the Iowa HS coaches - and the audience of some better Iowa talent.
Isn't it about time that we buried Christine Grant and her ilk?
 
With female coaches at both Isu and uni why not go male for a different look so to speak with recruits
 
Some of the posters on here claim there is some thinking in the athletic department that they don't want a male coach for female athletics? Not sure how true all of this is.
 
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