Iowa vs Psu

[Iowawrestling117]

Going down through the line ups.. this is my predictions. whats everyone thinking?

125- Gilman dec. Suriano. 3-0
133- Clark Dec. Cortez. 6-0
141- tough but with Gulibon always looking somewhat bad. Carton Dec. Gulibon. 9-0
149- Retherford Dec. Sorenson. 9-3
157- Nolf MD Kemdawg. 9-7
165- Joseph Dec. Maybe the bull? 9-10
174- Meyer Dec. Morelli 12-10
184- Nickal Dec. Brooks. 12-13
197- Mccutcheon Dec. 12-16
285- Stoll Dec. Nevills 15-16.

 

[The Vak]

125: Gilman DEC Suriano
133: Clark DEC Cortez
141: Gulibon DEC Carton
149: Retherford DEC Sorenson, but it could easily be more.
157: Nolf DEC Kemerer
165: Joseph DEC Gunther?
174: Meyer DEC Morelli/Shakur, but this could VERY easily go the other way, and Shakur could pin him.
184: I think this is a toss up, but I give the edge to Nickal.
197: McCutcheon DEC ?
HW: Stoll DEC Nevills

I've got it 6-4 for Penn State with bonus in their favor also, plus matches they could easily take, but not so many for us. It's going to be tough. I will stare at 197 and longingly picture Nathan Burak having RS'd last year all season, I can already feel it.

 

[JohnBasedow]

125: Gilman DEC Suriano
133: Clark DEC Cortez
141: Gulibon DEC Carton
149: Retherford DEC Sorenson, but it could easily be more.
157: Nolf DEC Kemerer
165: Joseph DEC Gunther?
174: Meyer DEC Morelli/Shakur, but this could VERY easily go the other way, and Shakur could pin him.
184: I think this is a toss up, but I give the edge to Nickal.
197: McCutcheon DEC ?
HW: Stoll DEC Nevills

I've got it 6-4 for Penn State with bonus in their favor also, plus matches they could easily take, but not so many for us. It's going to be tough. I will stare at 197 and longingly picture Nathan Burak having RS'd last year all season, I can already p it.

Meyer has been pinned one time in the past 3 years and you are saying Shakur could pin him as if it is a likely scenario.

 

[Curtis123]

125 Gilman dec. Suriano
133 Clark dec. Cortez
141 Carton dec. Gulibon
149 Sorensen dec. Retherford (only in CHA, not at NCAAs)
157 Nolf dec. Kemerer
165 Marinelli dec. Joseph
174 Meyer dec. Morelli
184 Nickal dec. Brooks....maybe
197 Wilcke dec. McCutcheon
285 Stoll dec. Nevills

 

[WrassleUSA]

Don't sleep on Nevills. He looked very good today. Its probably close to a tossup with the healthier guy having the edge.

 

[The Vak]

Meyer has been pinned one time in the past 3 years and you are saying Shakur could pin him as if it is a likely scenario.

I very clearly do NOT say that is likely that Shakur pins Meyer. I said that either guy could beat Meyer, and if it's Shakur that beats him, it could be a pin. So if I think Meyer is a slight favorite, that means I have either guy as slightly less than even to beat him, and then if it's Shakur that beats him, it could be a pin, so it's less likely than a straight Shakur win. It's based purely on Shakur's cradling style.

 

[nitlion6]

125 Iowa 0 - 3
133 Iowa 0 - 6
141 PSU 0 - 9
149 PSU 4 - 9
157 PSU 8 - 9
165 PSU 11 - 9
174 PSU 14 - 9
184 PSU 17 - 9
197 PSU 20 - 9
HWT PSU 23 - 9

Of course PSU could win 141, but something needs to improve. At 149 there is a possibility it is only a a decision, as well as 157. Meyer could win at @ 174. At 184 I am really excited to watch Bo and Sammy wrestle. I believe Bo wins 9 out of 10 times, but I think every time the match is the most entertaining of the evening. At heavyweight a healthy Stoll is capable of winning.

 

[wasdt21]

nit if your giving 14 points I might have alittle cash hidden away.

 

[crablegs1]

125 - Iowa Dec
133 - Iowa Dec
141 - PSU Dec
149 - PSU dec
157 - PSU maj
165 - Iowa dec
174 - Iowa dec
184 - PSU dec
197 - PSU dec
hvy - Iowa dec

I think there are lots of toss ups in this meet. 141, 165 (if AM goes for Iowa), 174, 184, hvy. For Iowa to have a shot, they need to win 3 of these matchups. The three most likely would be hvy, 174, and 165. Then, Iowa would need to match the bonus points that Nolf and/or Retherford are going to put up.

 

[JohnBasedow]

I very clearly do NOT say that is likely that Shakur pins Meyer. I said that either guy could beat Meyer, and if it's Shakur that beats him, it could be a pin. So if I think Meyer is a slight favorite, that means I have either guy as slightly less than even to beat him, and then if it's Shakur that beats him, it could be a pin, so it's less likely than a straight Shakur win. It's based purely on Shakur's cradling style.

So you're saying that when two guys wrestle, one could get pinned? That is quite the hot take on the potential match. Sorry for misinterpreting your prediction.

In unrelated news, Joey Gunther could pin Martinez in the NCAA finals.

 

[PrairieHawk24]

125 - Iowa Dec
133 - Iowa Dec
141 - PSU Dec
149 - PSU dec
157 - PSU maj
165 - Iowa dec
174 - Iowa dec
184 - PSU dec
197 - PSU dec
hvy - Iowa dec

I think there are lots of toss ups in this meet. 141, 165 (if AM goes for Iowa), 174, 184, hvy. For Iowa to have a shot, they need to win 3 of these matchups. The three most likely would be hvy, 174, and 165. Then, Iowa would need to match the bonus points that Nolf and/or Retherford are going to put up.

Kemerer won't give up bonus...

 

[crablegs1]

Kemerer won't give up bonus...

It's certainly possible. However I feel pretty confident taking Nolf by major for a variety of reasons.

Nolf was the most prolific bonus point scorer in the country last year, even more than Zain. We also don't have a ton if results to show where Kemmerer stacks up against a guy like Nolf, but losses to guys like Sueflohn and Richardson last year don't bode too well against someone who is light years better than those two.

 

[DonHawkeye]

125- Gilman dec. Suriano. 3-0
133- Clark pins Cortez. 9-0
141- Gulibon Dec. Carton 9-3
149- Retherford MD Sorenson. 9-7
157- Nolf MD Kemdawg. 9-11
165- Bull Dec Joseph 12-11
174- Meyer Dec. PSU 15-11
184- Nickal Dec. Brooks. 15-14
197- Wilke dec Mccutcheon 18-14
285- Stoll Dec. Nevills 21-14

 

[Jackhawk87]

It's certainly possible. However I feel pretty confident taking Nolf by major for a variety of reasons.

Nolf was the most prolific bonus point scorer in the country last year, even more than Zain. We also don't have a ton if results to show where Kemmerer stacks up against a guy like Nolf, but losses to guys like Sueflohn and Richardson last year don't bode too well against someone who is light years better than those two.

I think Kemmerer would have beaten Sueflohn and Richardson if his gas tank would have held out. He was the better wrestler through 2 periods, if I remember correctly. Not sure if it was adrenaline or conditioning. If he has addressed this, I think he holds it to a decision. I think it will be close through 2. If he cannot keep up the pace for 7 minutes though, Nolf abuses him late.

 

[nitlion6]

nit if your giving 14 points I might have alittle cash hidden away.

Not ever going to give a hawkeye team any points when wagering on wrestling. It never works out the way I want (or see) it.

 

[AFHawk86]

I think Kemmerer would have beaten Sueflohn and Richardson if his gas tank would have held out. He was the better wrestler through 2 periods, if I remember correctly. Not sure if it was adrenaline or conditioning. If he has addressed this, I think he holds it to a decision. I think it will be close through 2. If he cannot keep up the pace for 7 minutes though, Nolf abuses him late.

This is correct. Kemerer had both matches won, but made some freshman decisions and ran out of steam at the end.

 

[MARION_HAWK]

I will take Brooks over Nikkle.

 

[nitlion6]

I will take Brooks over Nikkle.

Wagering what? I got Bo.

 

[WildTurk]

Wagering what? I got Bo.

Could have swore you were gonna bet on Brooks..

 

[pumpdog20]

Unfortunately, I see a likely scenario where Iowa wins the first 2 and loses the next 8.

141 - yeah Gulibon isn't lighting the world on fire, but we're talking Topher here.
149 - man, Zain is just too much, even for the second best wrestler at the weight
157 - same as 149 with maybe Kem not quite being the 2nd best wrestler at 157, but probably close
165 - with 141 not likely getting any NCAA points, and the unknowns at other weights like 174 through HWT, I'm guessing the shirt stays on
174 - with PSU rolling the last four matches, I'm saying the momentum stays with them and Meyer loses at the end
184 - Unless Brooks is able to manhandle him strength wise, I don't see him having the offensive firepower to keep up here
197 - 2 undersized 197lbers going here? who knows
HWT - Nevills looking good, and Stoll is an unknown until we see how the knee is coming along

 

[The Vak]

So you're saying that when two guys wrestle, one could get pinned? That is quite the hot take on the potential match. Sorry for misinterpreting your prediction.

In unrelated news, Joey Gunther could pin Martinez in the NCAA finals.

Yup, obviously the same thing. Rasheed, known for big moves and cradles, including a pin over the highly ranked Chad Walsh against flaky Alex Meyer is the same as Joey Gunther, he of the one collegiate pin against a kid from Coe, against Isaiah Martinez.

 

[PSU Mike]

I will take Brooks over Nikkle.

I'll go out on a limb and say if they wrestle two or more times this year Nickal will get NF at least once. I'd say it's purt-near a 50/50 prop in a single match.

That's not to say Bo is a lock to win, but crap happens fast when he wrestles, even to solid guys like Brooks.

 

[rossel 33]

125 Gilman MD Iowa 4-0
133 Clark MD 8-0
141 Gulibon dec 8-3
149 Retherford dec 8-6
157 Nolf dec 8-9
165 Joseph dec 8-12
174 Meyer dec 11-12
184 Nickal dec 11-15
197 McCutch dec 11-18
Hwt Nevills dec 11-21

On paper, PSU should win, with only 125 and 133 strongly favoring Iowa. PSU strongly favored at 149 and 157. Unless Marinelli wrestles, PSU heavily favored at 165 as well.

Moderate edge to PSU at 184 and slight edge for PSU at 197.

3 remaining weights are near tossups...Carton could win over Gulibon, who's inconsistent. Meyer is inconsistent and could lose 174. Hwt is a tossup, given Stoll's injury/rehab status.

Best chance for upset would require Stoll, Meyer and Carton to win decisions and with bonus at 125 and 133 giving it to Iowa.

 

[Azchief32]

I'll go out on a limb and say if they wrestle two or more times this year Nickal will get NF at least once. I'd say it's purt-near a 50/50 prop in a single match.

That's not to say Bo is a lock to win, but crap happens fast when he wrestles, even to solid guys like Brooks.

Even to really good guys like Nickel.

 

[Gobblin]

I'll go out on a limb and say if they wrestle two or more times this year Nickal will get NF at least once. I'd say it's purt-near a 50/50 prop in a single match.

That's not to say Bo is a lock to win, but crap happens fast when he wrestles, even to solid guys like Brooks.

Brooks is just as likely to put Nikkle in danger in one of those big move 50/50 scrambles. Sammy has done damn well for himself in those situations over his career and has great feel and leverage in those upper body situations. This match has potential to be an all timer... Hope both guys are healthy and feeling confident. Can't wait.

 

[purescurve]

Brooks is just as likely to put Nikkle in danger in one of those big move 50/50 scrambles. Sammy has done damn well for himself in those situations over his career and has great feel and leverage in those upper body situations. This match has potential to be an all timer... Hope both guys are healthy and feeling confident. Can't wait.

I have to agree. I tried to find a pic of a dawg getting the best of a mountain lion but I couldn't find one. Ihe bull and cenzo will be the barnburner. Gillman 1-0 by escape over our freshman'

 

[Iowawrestling117]

125 Gilman dec. Suriano
133 Clark dec. Cortez
141 Carton dec. Gulibon
149 Sorensen dec. Retherford (only in CHA, not at NCAAs)
157 Nolf dec. Kemerer
165 Marinelli dec. Joseph
174 Meyer dec. Morelli
184 Nickal dec. Brooks....maybe
197 Wilcke dec. McCutcheon
285 Stoll dec. Nevills

You are completely irrational if you truly believe what you typed

 

[Iowawrestling117]

Kemerer won't give up bonus...

Normally no. But Jason Nolf is probably the best bonus point artist in the country. The dude pinned IMAR. He can do that to anyone. And he could and likely will bonus kemmerer. Guys we have to be rational as big of fans as we are.

 

[Iowawrestling117]

From reading comments... I can tell you what won't happen. There will be No bonus at 125. Whoever typed Sorenson over Retherford wishful thinking but no. Jason Nolf will more than likely bonus Kemdawg. Nickal over Brooks. And 133 will be a decision.

 

[Curtis123]

You are completely irrational if you truly believe what you typed

Of course you're right - what was I thinking - man am I stupid! Here are my corrected predictions.

125 Soriano dec. Gillmen
133 Cortes dec. Clark
141 Gullibon dec. Carten
149 Retherferd dec. Sorlensen
157 Noff dec. Kemmerrerr
165 Joeseph dec. Marianetti
174 Moreli dec. Meier
184 Nikkle dec. Brooks
197 MacCutchon dec. Willke
285 Nevilles dec. Stall

 

[Iowawrestling117]

Of course you're right - what was I thinking - man am I stupid! Here are my corrected predictions.

125 Soriano dec. Gillmen
133 Cortes dec. Clark
141 Gullibon dec. Carten
149 Retherferd dec. Sorlensen
157 Noff dec. Kemmerrerr
165 Joeseph dec. Marianetti
174 Moreli dec. Meier
184 Nikkle dec. Brooks
197 MacCutchon dec. Willke
285 Nevilles dec. Stall

You know exactly what i was referring to. Sorenson is the best 149 pounder not named Zain Retherford. But not him, nor any other 149 is beating Zain. And you, and everyone on this thread either know that, or are not very well in tune with college wrestling

 

[Omahahawk86]

Eh as of now this won't be pretty.
25-gman 3-0
33-cc 6-0
41-carton 9-0
49-Zain 9-3
57 nolf md 9-7
65 vjo md over Gunther 9-11
74 Meyer 12-11
84-bo 12-14
97-mc 12-17
Hwt nevills 12-20

 

[Flying_Tiger]

Brooks is just as likely to put Nikkle in danger in one of those big move 50/50 scrambles. Sammy has done damn well for himself in those situations over his career and has great feel and leverage in those upper body situations. This match has potential to be an all timer... Hope both guys are healthy and feeling confident. Can't wait.

Nickal is at another level and if Brooks goes upper body he will be counting the lights. I don't understand why you guys continue to hold Brooks in such high esteem. He has a single 8th place finish into his senior year. Jimmy Gulibon has had a better career to this point.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

You know exactly what i was referring to. Sorenson is the best 149 pounder not named Zain Retherford. But not him, nor any other 149 is beating Zain. And you, and everyone on this thread either know that, or are not very well in tune with college wrestling

This thread has taught us that, in addition to discovering wrestling, PSU fans have also figured out that anyone can create a nickname with "Iowa" in it.

 

[DonHawkeye]

This thread has taught us that, in addition to discovering wrestling, PSU fans have also figured out that anyone can create a nickname with "Iowa" in it.

They also figured out that you can skip the psychologist office and just create an account for each voice in your head to hash things out on a forum instead.

 

[crablegs1]

Nickal is at another level and if Brooks goes upper body he will be counting the lights. I don't understand why you guys continue to hold Brooks in such high esteem. He has a single 8th place finish into his senior year. Jimmy Gulibon has had a better career to this point.

There is some truth here about Brooks. However he was the 2 seed and B1G champ last year, just lost a close match to Dudley.

I'd also question most PSU fans as to why they think Nickal is on another level? PSU fans act as if he is on the level of Zain or Nolf, but that's just not the case. He is a championship contender, but he is not head and shoulders above the field like Nolf and Zain. I think there are 6-8 guys all capable of. Eating Bo at 184. Last year he had losses to Nate Jackson and Myles Martin and his weight class was really weak. Brooks is capable of beating both of them, so why couldn't he beat Bo?

 

[255]

You know exactly what i was referring to. Sorenson is the best 149 pounder not named Zain Retherford. But not him, nor any other 149 is beating Zain. And you, and everyone on this thread either know that, or are not very well in tune with college wrestling

Well, gable lost to a soph his sr year so.....
Anything can happen. Taylor got beat. Kolat got beat. I can go on but you get the point. Likely to get beat? No. impossible, no.

Gilman is going to get a major by the way. So will Clarke.

 

[Czech Hawk]

Nickal is at another level and if Brooks goes upper body he will be counting the lights. I don't understand why you guys continue to hold Brooks in such high esteem. He has a single 8th place finish into his senior year. Jimmy Gulibon has had a better career to this point.

Unfortunately for us it depends which Sammy shows up to wrestle.

Like biblical Samson if he lets his hair grow longer, he will become stronger. So here is to long hair and many wins!

 

[Omahahawk86]

Nickal is at another level and if Brooks goes upper body he will be counting the lights. I don't understand why you guys continue to hold Brooks in such high esteem. He has a single 8th place finish into his senior year. Jimmy Gulibon has had a better career to this point.

It pains me to agree with this.

All he had to do was beat Dudley and he's a finalist.

 

[rossel 33]

...I don't understand why you guys continue to hold Brooks in such high esteem. He has a single 8th place finish into his senior year. Jimmy Gulibon has had a better career to this point.

True....Gulibon's single 5th place AA finish two seasons ago puts Brooks' 8th place AA finish last season to shame.

Plus..... we need to remember Gulibon was ranked #1 by FLO once.