Iowa/VT?
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Which sport would that be? Taking a year of eligibility away from young wrestlers after having made a promise to them in order to get them to enroll or publicly insulting another coach and team? Maybe it's a new sport that is a combination of both.
With Missouri getting shwacked VT is the only good match up left except for maybe Cornell. I understand the history and the anger, but the national duals match up for Iowa becomes essentially meaningless otherwise.
It's meaningless anyway and we have gotten injuries to key guys in this stupid thing. Teams want to get ready for post season now not piss around with a meaningless dual. It was great in January at UNI, not now.
Amen.
Brands does not have to do anything to prove himself. The idea that to. It go makes him a wuss is childish. The event has derailed the Hawks for the last few years one way or the other. Skip it Tom. Do things that actually matter.
You're correct that it's meaningless, but with this reasoning everything is meaningless except the national tournament. I'm looking at it from the perspective of watching entertaining wrestling and bringing focus on the sport (regardless of what we think about the format). Concerning injuries, people can get hurt anytime in a physical sport. Clark was injured in practice, Stoll during a dual. Right now there are 3 weeks until B1G and 5 weeks until NCAA. That's more than adequate time off from competition to have a single dual of some prominence on the schedule imho.
You guys realize that the people responsible for not giving the releases are long gone right? In fact the AD at the time is dead. Seems rather petty considering the current AD and President had nothing to do with it.
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So paterno is dead and Jerry is in prison so everyone should just forget what Jopa and Penn State allowed to happen to innocent kids under his watch? Don't think so and I don't blame Iowa if they don't want to go to VT. Help the sport my ass - TNT do more for this sport than most.
Somewhere in this whole thread it seems that the fact Brands is a devoted Christian and that forgiveness is a noble trait and cornerstone of Christianity have been lost.
Time to let it go. IMHO
Buddha said something to the effect of - "Being angry is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to get sick" Not an exact quote, but you get the point.
Time to let it go. IMHO
Buddha said something to the effect of - "Being angry is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to get sick" Not an exact quote, but you get the point.
How about this (not my idea, but pulled from Penn State board):
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"Brands is pretty good at marketing. He could win that and the match and in doing so give those 4 kids a small small bit of revenge.
He'll if I'm brands I offer to pay for those 4 totravel to the match and sit on the bench. ..."
That would break wrestling Twitter.
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"Brands is pretty good at marketing. He could win that and the match and in doing so give those 4 kids a small small bit of revenge.
He'll if I'm brands I offer to pay for those 4 totravel to the match and sit on the bench. ..."
That would break wrestling Twitter.
Does anyone have link to where Tom has said he wouldn't dual Virginia Tech in this situation? I don't think it exists. I can understand not wanting to give them a home and away dual on the regular schedule, but this is different. If Brands signed up for this event knowing Va Tech could be a possibility and then backing out when it happens, shame on him. But, this hasn't happened yet so not sure why people have pitchforks out.
If I recall last year, Virginia Tech was technically not the correct matchup for the Hawks according to the bylaws set. Dresser wanted to argue that his team was essentially "close enough" and it would make a great storyline. NC State was technically the team that rightfully should have been rewarded according to the polls. And they were.
If I recall last year, Virginia Tech was technically not the correct matchup for the Hawks according to the bylaws set. Dresser wanted to argue that his team was essentially "close enough" and it would make a great storyline. NC State was technically the team that rightfully should have been rewarded according to the polls. And they were.
Cal - I think you're correct about last season; however, I was told there are no hard set bylaws and that ultimately the coaches have to agree to the match up. The VT history, delay of releasing the pairings, and internet opinion have fueled speculation. No pitchfork here though
We all know how intense T&T can get. We all have had our own personal experiences with our own anger and intensity at times in our lives.
I Cannot imagine how intense they felt thru the whole situation with Tom leaving and no release for the wrestlers.
I am not sure it would be that easy to let go of those feelings.
I for one will not condemn what I cannot possibly truly understand the depth of the hurt and pain that they experienced. Still probably pretty raw.
I Cannot imagine how intense they felt thru the whole situation with Tom leaving and no release for the wrestlers.
I am not sure it would be that easy to let go of those feelings.
I for one will not condemn what I cannot possibly truly understand the depth of the hurt and pain that they experienced. Still probably pretty raw.
Just to piggy back off of this, KJ released Long and helped PSU win a championship. If Pollard does not release Long, does PSU win it?
I will weigh in as a fan of sports in general and having had our football athletes suffer for something they had nothing to do with. I have been know to hold a grudge much longer than most. At some point you have to realize that all those kids want to do is compete against the best they can face. In the end Iowa is facing the #24 ranked team and why even go. The athletes and the fans....both Hawkeye fans and wrestling fans across the country have to feel a little cheated.
In the end this may end this version of the National Duals. It would be a complete disgrace if Iowa and VT were 1 & 2 and didn't face each other.
In the end this may end this version of the National Duals. It would be a complete disgrace if Iowa and VT were 1 & 2 and didn't face each other.
I hope Iowa's decision does end Cael's stupid idea.
Other than a big mouth coach, why would the VT match up be so important? yea it would be fun but that is all it would be. Who cares who they match up with? Iowa wrestling VT will not help the sport especially in a non consequential match up. If push came to shove, Tom would wrestle VT. All I see is really speculation that Tom does not want to. "Those close to the program" or " I heard Tom said..." is all the proof we have. Wrestle this weekend and lets get ready for something that matters.
If VT is ever 1 or 2 be sure and let me know. Oh, and our athletes suffered for something NO ONE here had anything to do with. A slightly different scenario.
Same is probably said about you coming on this board, go back to your basement at your parents house in Blacksburg
I know some of what went down and I despise the AD who happened to have PSU ties. I'm just seeing the opportunities of athletes who had nothing to do with the situation cheated as well as fans. Tell me Iowa wouldn't have relished the idea of a rematch with Okie State.
I also realize that VT is a long shot to be 1 or 2 but that was thought of Cornell for a long time also. What happens if Dresser takes over ISU??
The National Duals once was the Virginia Duals, was held over the holiday break as I recall. I think the thought on is this version was to add more televised matches with competitive match ups while limiting the number of bouts this close to tournament time.
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Don't think this was Cael's idea, if I'm not mistaken Sanderson and Brands are on the same page on this one. Iowa and Va Tech not wrestling may be the death knell for this compromise idea anyway. Death to the National Duals and death to carrying points over to the National tournament. This point carryover idea from the National Duals was Smith and Koll's idea.
Would like to see two separate seasons with two distinct championships.
This format is as close as we are going to get in my opinion. Too much risk of injury and not enough interest overall to warrant a full blown bracketed tournament.
Forgiveness has nothing to do with becoming a doormat or absolving the other party of the consequences of his/her/its actions.
VT made their move by depriving 4 promising young wrestlers a year of eligibility after promising not to do so, out of spite for their coach who was the sole reason for their attendance at the school. Everyone knows the story. That was their prerogative. However, actions like that have consequences, which they're currently experiencing. This has nothing to do with forgiveness, IMO. Rather, it has to do with the fact that unethical and spiteful actions are often followed by distasteful results for the perpetrator.
SHP...Dresser didn't have anything to do with it? As the new leader of VT, he couldn't have went to the admin and say, "Hey boss, let's not keep kids who don't want to be here?" ala Iowa State when Cael went to PSU?
Weaver was, indeed, spiteful in his actions, but he was obviously acting on behalf of the wrestling program and the institution as a whole. If anyone at VT had had a problem with his behavior, they had more than ample opportunity to do something about it. Evidently, they were fine with it.
The fact that the AD has passed away is entirely irrelevant, IMO.
Everybody knows college wrestling's version of Buddha is Cael. Even when HE skips the dual tourneys, it's sound and logical but when Iowa is holding grudges, it's ducking.
Iowa did wrestle them at national duals a few years ago. Was in Ames maybe. I'm guessing after Dresser had his tantrum last year Brands is not looking to do any favors.
I don't know about separate seasons, it's a long grind already, but a dual tournament a week or two after NCAAs or over Christmas break (when there would be time to heal from minor injuries) would be a great addition to the season, and maybe appease a few people who hate the current format.
Cael didn't like the dual tourney format, hence we get this version of "even though Iowa and PSU finished undefeated in 2016, we are still going to pretend that this is a national championship tourney by putting Okie State in there...even though Iowa beat them." Yes, we lost but a true title should have been PSU-Iowa. At least this year, the true title is happening.
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