Who does that? Kevin Dresser does that......
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Who does that? Kevin Dresser does that......
I think that If Brands really wanted to stick it to VT, the proper response be to go down to Blacksburg and kick their ass all over the mat.
I get that this probably hurts them more, but this also robs wrestling fans of a great dual meet. I am disappointed to say the least.
Do we know that Dresser is the one who made the decision on whether the VT transfers weren't granted a release? I'm not doubting he was, just thought that decision may have been more on administration.
I get that this probably hurts them more, but this also robs wrestling fans of a great dual meet. I am disappointed to say the least.
Do we know that Dresser is the one who made the decision on whether the VT transfers weren't granted a release? I'm not doubting he was, just thought that decision may have been more on administration.
Yes, and when Cael wins titles with Long, Cyler, DT, Brown it's because of his coaching prowress. When Brands does it his first 3 years at Iowa, it's because he "combined two teams."
Brands "leaves VT in shambles." But Cael leaving ISU (his alma mater)? - hey no big deal right?
The double standards by PSU fans are something to behold.
I think it is pretty simple on Brands and the message from Iowa to Dresser, Vagina Tech and posthumously to the past AD, current AD
Hypothetically why are there any NCAA transfer rules? If we are all advocating for freedom of transfer at anytime without consequence, why is there a rule at all? Answer: Without rules and possible penalties, no society or organization will be functional.
Thats just what the man whats you to think, man.
That is an extraordinarily rare commodity. He's one of a select few visiting fans whose posts I actually read.
It's why I give him and a few others from BWI a wide berth and a lot of respect. They have treated me and a few of our guys well over there for the most part. Even when we are being D-bags about PSU to him on here or there, he doesn't bite. Better man than me when it comes to that I have to admit. If the shoe gets on the other foot and Iowa or anybody else takes out PSU, I am going to try my hardest to be a good guy and try to remember the good fans and not let the smug come out. But a few of their guys are making it damn difficult...lol.
Cael and Brands, and Smith were not in favor of changing the NCAA format. Of course the part nobody ever wants to acknowledge neither was the NCAA. There was a committee recommendation put forth to the NCAA about specific rules changes that incorporated a dual tournament aspect, but the recommendation was rejected.
So now that we addressed that alternative fact, let's look at the other.
Cael, Tom and John are the powers that put forth this dual concept. All three to one degree or another have stated support and have agreed to participate within qualified rules put forth and agreed upon.
In the first two years Tom has thrown two tissy fits about not wrestling Virginia Tech, and Coach Smith threw one last year about whether or not his Okie State Cowboys or the NCST Wolfpack should wrestle Penn State.
The reason the Hawks are not wrestling the Hokies is because Tom refused to, breaking his given word at the beginning of this 2-year trial. You are also correct, it doesn't matter if Iowa wrestles Virginia Tech. Obviously it also matters not if Tom Brands' word merits credibility.
Speaking of alternate facts, Tom did not throw a hissy fit about wrestling VT last year. The final coaches poll showed PSU vs Okie State, Iowa vs NC State etc. Iowa wrestled exactly who they were supposed to according to the deal. Dresser threw the hissy fit and publicly insulted Brands even though NC State finished ahead of Virginia Tech by 12 points in the final coaches poll. Dresser did this because in his opinion, he thought VT and Iowa would be the better match up...damn the actual polls. It was Dresser who wanted to break the God Almighty agreement. I'm guessing Vag Tech shouldn't have lost to lowly Iowa State. This year, you might have a point but then I'm guessing you don't know dick and are making a lot of assumptions based on your anti-Iowa narrative.
https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/15959
You mean the poll taken prior to Virginia Tech beating undefeated NCST.
So in determining who should wrestle Penn State they took into consideration the NCST loss. While determining who should wrestle Iowa the Virginia Tech result was non-applicable. Yeah, OK.
If they decide to try this model for another 2 years, and next year the VT Iowa scenario plays out again, there will be the same. Someone will offer this year's NWCA press release as proof Tom did not throw a tissy fit.
Shoot. Go wrestle the Hokies, kick their rear ends and be done with it.
As far as whether I know dick. No more than anybody else. Of course I haven't spent the entire day twisting and gyrating, using any excuse I could muster to rationalize away the appearance that my well respected coach is acting like a petulant child.
As far as my Iowa narrative. That's twice (once on BWI and now here) you have attempted to use "my Iowa narrative" as a dismissal of my point. My Iowa narrative is primarily directed towards Iowa wrestling fans. I openly and joyfully make fun of them. "Heeeee's staaaaling", "Cael can't coach", "Cael left Iowa because he can't beat Tom", "Cael is never going to beat Tom", "just wait until DT and Ruth are gone", "go post on your own board", and others.
I'm also the guy who points out, you have to give them credit, you hold a wrestling event and they show up and support it. They are going to yell for stalling because everybody wrestling an Iowa kid is stalling, but they are there.
I do not speak disparagingly about Iowa athletes and rarely do I speak negatively about the behavior of Brands or Brands.
This is what I believe about Tom Brands' behavior today. He still believes Virginia Tech gave some of his athletes a raw deal and he wants nothing to do with the school. However, Tom along with Cael and Smith are the power behind this NWCA duals model and there is an agreement in place defining how teams would match up. It's his play ground, he helped define the rules and he did not like the outcome - so he changed the rules. He broke his word. If you need to see it differently that does not surprise me.
As far as my Iowa narrative. That's twice (once on BWI and now here) you have attempted to use "my Iowa narrative" as a dismissal of my point. My Iowa narrative is primarily directed towards Iowa wrestling fans. I openly and joyfully make fun of them. "Heeeee's staaaaling", "Cael can't coach", "Cael left Iowa because he can't beat Tom", "Cael is never going to beat Tom", "just wait until DT and Ruth are gone", "go post on your own board", and others.
I'm also the guy who points out, you have to give them credit, you hold a wrestling event and they show up and support it. They are going to yell for stalling because everybody wrestling an Iowa kid is stalling, but they are there.
I do not speak disparagingly about Iowa athletes and rarely do I speak negatively about the behavior of Brands or Brands.
This is what I believe about Tom Brands' behavior today. He still believes Virginia Tech gave some of his athletes a raw deal and he wants nothing to do with the school. However, Tom along with Cael and Smith are the power behind this NWCA duals model and there is an agreement in place defining how teams would match up. It's his play ground, he helped define the rules and he did not like the outcome - so he changed the rules. He broke his word. If you need to see it differently that does not surprise me.
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Yep, and if there is something similar next year and they have the same scenario - somebody will post something proving there were no tissy fits thrown and the rules dictated Iowa was to wrestle Edinboro.There you go using facts.
I keep reading from the detractors that Brands went back on his word in regards to the National Duals, this may be true. But hypothetically speaking, isn't it likely that he also gave his word to a set of athletes that he'd never dual with Virginia tech if it was in his control. The little I know of Brands, I'm guessing any pact he would've made with 'his' guys is stronger than an agreement on national duals.
What alternative fact did I tell? I simply stated that Sanderson was one of the driving forces for making this event completely pointless, which is 100% true.
You're catching on. Congratulations.
"There you go again..."
Final coaches poll was on the 15th of Feb, the NC State/VT was on 12 Feb. Coaches probably looked at NC State being 22-1 with non conference wins over Okie State and Mizzou and VT was 14-2 with losses to PSU and Iowa State.
You can't take the first part of that paragraph without applying the second part.
Yes he has his reasons, but he still backed out on his word.
I googled ""greatest college sport scandal of all time" and I couldn't find mention of Iowa refusing to wrestle Va Tech. Hmmm . . . but guess what came up as the #1 greatest scandal of all-time?
Counsel: Objection your Honor, he's doing it again.
Court: Sustained, you're walking on thin ice Mister!
Counsel: Objection your Honor, he's doing it again.
Court: Sustained, you're walking on thin ice Mister!
Might as well give up chief32 some of these Penn State boys just can't handle facts...I wonder what the over/under will be on the attendance at the meet on Sunday the 19th. Think they can drawn 5,000.
Does anyone know if Dresser kept them from transferring? Someone does. How about this for making it all go away?
If it is know that Dresser was the reason, and he knows if he is or not, maybe he mans up and apologizes publicly and face to face to Tom Brands and every wrestler that he screwed over. Hell do it right before the National Duals. Maybe that will make it right?
P.S. nitlion6 I got a question for you....................
If it is know that Dresser was the reason, and he knows if he is or not, maybe he mans up and apologizes publicly and face to face to Tom Brands and every wrestler that he screwed over. Hell do it right before the National Duals. Maybe that will make it right?
P.S. nitlion6 I got a question for you....................
nitlion6, were you there to watch brands agree to all you say he did? I highly doubt it. Everything I've read on the NWCA site says there could be exceptions to using the ratings for match-ups and I wouldn't be surprised if that particular exception was on the table from the onset. If so, Brands did not back out of any agreement. Of course, ALL this is speculation, as I'm sure no one posting on this thread was in any meeting putting this fiasco together.
BTW, another one bites the dust. I'm starting to love this feature. I wish I could have done it more places during the election.
BTW, another one bites the dust. I'm starting to love this feature. I wish I could have done it more places during the election.
Hawks not wrestling Va Tech you say? And still, slept great last night. Weird.
Some college Coach who likes Citrus Fruit....................
May not have slept that well..........sad..........
I am going to rant here. This is a microcosm of everything wrong with college wrestling. This whole national dual meet has become a joke. Well, many would argue Cael pushed it that way. Why are we allowing one coach to dictate this? Also, I don't excuse Brands either. If he promised to follow the new format, then follow it or don't sign up. What other major D1 sport allows a few programs to dictate so much?
Why can't Brands, Cael, Ryan and Smith get in a room and figure this $hit out and make a duals event that is exciting? The sport can't afford to piss away these opportunities. I feel the same way about the pre-season All-Star meet. It has become a joke because most of the top wrestlers don't wrestle.
One can argue all that matters is the NCAA wrestling tourney. I think that is shortsighted. Every time a wrestler laces up is an opportunity to spotlight the sport. We need more exciting events like the all-star meet and duals event, not less of them. More televised events, not less of them.
From where I sit I don't see any of the big four coaches (Ryan, Sanderson, Brands or Smith) stepping up to lead the sport to new heights. We need it.
Just my $.02.
Why can't Brands, Cael, Ryan and Smith get in a room and figure this $hit out and make a duals event that is exciting? The sport can't afford to piss away these opportunities. I feel the same way about the pre-season All-Star meet. It has become a joke because most of the top wrestlers don't wrestle.
One can argue all that matters is the NCAA wrestling tourney. I think that is shortsighted. Every time a wrestler laces up is an opportunity to spotlight the sport. We need more exciting events like the all-star meet and duals event, not less of them. More televised events, not less of them.
From where I sit I don't see any of the big four coaches (Ryan, Sanderson, Brands or Smith) stepping up to lead the sport to new heights. We need it.
Just my $.02.
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And Cael didn't back out of his word and contract with Iowa State? But that's different?
Personally, I would rather the top teams just scheduled each other on a home and home series on a regular basis.
wasdt21 is correct. I think Notre Dame said no to a bowl game a few years ago because they didn't want to play in a bush league bowl game. Do I think that's right? Yes and No. Yes if it would actually cost your establishment more to play in the game than you would make but NO for the players playing the game.
On a side note I listened to a press conference on Twitter with Kevin Dresser and the National Duals were discussed. He first said he was not going to get into it like he did last year and then proceeded to say there were a lot of caveats to the pairings. Not all of them were explained so unless you were in the room then you DO NOT KNOW. He didn't seem to upset about it so there is that. Carry on............
Which is funny because Dresser would have had a better case for going off this year than last. The orange argument, at least from an outsider's perspective, hold's water this year whereas last year, it was a false narrative.
He went off last year because he had at least a chance to win. He didn't go off this year because he would be wearing his ass for a hat.
And that's what I don't get....We have a good shot at taking all the matches from 125-165 plus getting one at 174 or 184. Yet Tom is sceered and shaking in his boots. I don't think VT beats Nebby and Nebby was a worse match up for us.
Yeah, I'd be surprised if we didn't win 7 matches against Tech, but we're clearly ducking.
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